Rep. Joe "You lie" Wilson's opponent raises over $100,000 since Obama's speech

[Zebulon0351]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/republican-congressman-who-heckled-obama-sparks-fundraising-flood-to-his-democratic-opponent.html

South Carolina too.

Pretty funny shit.

[MichMike]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/09/republican-congressman-who-heckled-obama-sparks-fundraising-flood-to-his-democratic-opponent.html

South Carolina too.

Pretty funny shit.


Rob Miller came within 8 points prior to Joe's little show. Good ole' rebel flag boy Joe is going down.

[doctordog]

Rob Miller came within 8 points prior to Joe's little show. Good ole' rebel flag boy Joe is going down.

I bet he doesn't he has probably collected more for standing up to this bullshit

[MichMike]

I bet he doesn't he has probably collected more for standing up to this bullshit


You would lose that bet. He has collected some, but his opponent is ahead now. Don't visit Vegas much I hope?

[doctordog]

You would lose that bet. He has collected some, but his opponent is ahead now. Don't visit Vegas much I hope?

His opponent is only ahead according to liberal rags.

Actually yes, brought home 20k last time, but thanks for the thought

[Life_Long_Dem!]

His opponent is only ahead according to liberal rags.

Actually yes, brought home 20k last time, but thanks for the thought
What liberal "rags" and what is a reliable source to you if these lib rags are not? I will bet money you only list conservative sources as "reliable" ever here of independent websites and sources?

[doctordog]

What liberal "rags" and what is a reliable source to you if these lib rags are not? I will bet money you only list conservative sources as "reliable" ever here of independent websites and sources?

So are you saying you are for UHC and would be willing to pay more to get it?

[Life_Long_Dem!]

So are you saying you are for UHC and would be willing to pay more to get it?
Yes I am for uhc but dont buy this bullshit that it will cost more...Norway has uhc and it costs a third LESS than the US system...the facts are out there that prove this and people like Wendell Potter, former pr head for cigna insurance has opened me up to exactly how the right and insurance industry folk lie and distort with ultra fear mongering tactics to keep us the ONLY indutrialized nation with for profit insurance that puts the people second.

[MichMike]

His opponent is only ahead according to liberal rags.

Actually yes, brought home 20k last time, but thanks for the thought


Post one showing otherwise

Is the Christian Science Monitor a left wing rag?

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2009/09/10/joe-wilson-outburst-a-windfall-for-sc-dem-rob-miller/

[MichMike]

SC Monitor staff have won 7 Pulitzer Prizes and a Peabody award. A Rag?

[MichMike]

Wayers Pooh...any response or are you lying like so many on the far right.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Wayers Pooh...any response or are you lying like so many on the far right.
Yeah..he still has not responded to my last post comment...got quiet rather fast didnt he?:lmao2:

[MichMike]

Yeah..he still has not responded to my last post comment...got quiet rather fast didnt he?:lmao2:


These people are unbelievable. It's a shame they live in this country...it really is.


Well...healthcare is near....let's keep fighting the good fight.

[Moby]

I lived in South Carolina for 5 years and I knew many people that will embrace Wilson even if they know that Obama was NOT lying and that Wilson was full of shit.

Truth doesn't matter to a lot of Americans.

[Bill Cosby]

I have never been there..... I imagine that some of the folks there would be impressed w/ his ignorance & emotional outburst... Thinking it akin to something other than what it was an ignorant emotional outburst...

Probably not his fault though.... (Frustration) His lobbyist & pages were probably all to busy to come buy & share his family values in the back seat of the limo...

[doctordog]

Wayers Pooh...any response or are you lying like so many on the far right.


Why don't you get a fucking job so I don't have to pay for your healthcare, I had to go back to work.:D

[doctordog]

Yeah..he still has not responded to my last post comment...got quiet rather fast didnt he?:lmao2:

You must be unemployed too, another bum for UHC.

BTW -Norway has 4,644,457 people in July 2008

the US had 303,824,640 at that same time period

Apples and Oranges:lmao2:

[Cookie]

I lived in South Carolina for 5 years and I knew many people that will embrace Wilson even if they know that Obama was NOT lying and that Wilson was full of shit.

Truth doesn't matter to a lot of Americans.

Apparently Congressman Wilson is not full of shit.

Today it was explained that there are at least 2 ways illegal aliens will be covered by any government healthcare plan that might be passed:

1. Applicants for the insurance will not be required to provide proof of citizenship.

2. NOT covering illegal aliens would be unconstitutional, and President Obama knows this, being a constitutional law scholar and professor in his former career.

Once again, the President is being duplicitious, and the astute Cong. Wilson called him out on it. It took courage, imo.
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[doctordog]

Apparently Congressman Wilson is not full of shit.

Today it was explained that there are at least 2 ways illegal aliens will be covered by any government healthcare plan that might be passed:

1. Applicants for the insurance will not be required to provide proof of citizenship.

2. NOT covering illegal aliens would be unconstitutional, and President Obama knows this, being a constitutional law scholar and professor in his former career.

Once again, the President is being duplicitious.

And Wilson was the only one with the balls to say it:thumbsup:

[Cookie]

And Wilson was the only one with the balls to say it:thumbsup:

Indeed, and it was gracious of him to apologize. His apology still doesn't change the facts that the pres. isn't being forthcoming about the hc plan.
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[doctordog]

Indeed, and it was gracious of him to apologize. His apology still doesn't change the facts that the pres. isn't being forthcoming about the hc plan.

When was the last time he actually told the truth?

[ROdger Right]

I think the left would perfer we tie wilson to a tree and shoot him.

[doctordog]

I think the left would perfer we tie wilson to a tree and shoot him.

Realize if you had said Obama, you would be a racist:D

[Bill Cosby]

Indeed, and it was gracious of him to apologize. His apology still doesn't change the facts that the pres. isn't being forthcoming about the hc plan.


There are going to be problems w/ any system- just like the one we have now...

Illegals getting care is an issue now.... You want him/them to just fix everything @ once??? WTF has the rep done about the illegals getting free care--->>>> I can tell yea not a damn thing... :thumbsup:

Say I am a life guard & this gurl Cookie is out surfing & gets slammed pretty good by a 10 footer she mistimed... She washes up on shore beat up & bleeding from some rocks... She has no ID in that bikini so I tell her I can't help her???

No one is gonna be left on the street or the beach to bleed to death... Just not gonna happen so pls find something else wrong...

[MintJulep]

ever here of independent websites and sources?No, because such a thing doesn't exist.

[Zebulon0351]

Apparently Congressman Wilson is not full of shit.

Today it was explained that there are at least 2 ways illegal aliens will be covered by any government healthcare plan that might be passed:

1. Applicants for the insurance will not be required to provide proof of citizenship.

2. NOT covering illegal aliens would be unconstitutional, and President Obama knows this, being a constitutional law scholar and professor in his former career.

Once again, the President is being duplicitious, and the astute Cong. Wilson called him out on it. It took courage, imo.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Section 246:
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

I don't think you can break it down any more Barney-style than this. I challenge you to explain how this does not put another hole in another one of Fox News's arguments.

[MintJulep]

I lived in South Carolina for 5 years and I knew many people that will embrace Wilson even if they know that Obama was NOT lying and that Wilson was full of shit.

Truth doesn't matter to a lot of Americans.Sounds familiar, huh?

Sort of a DEJA VU, fast-forwarded. :D

[MintJulep]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Section 246:


I don't think you can break it down any more Barney-style than this. I challenge you to explain how this does not put another hole in another one of Fox News's arguments.You think doctors offices are gonna start checking IDs when employers don't even bother? You've GOT to be kidding.

[Zebulon0351]

You think doctors offices are gonna start checking IDs when employers don't even bother? You've GOT to be kidding.

Then you are talking about issues that have to do with individual employers. The issue I am talking about it the government willingly providing absolute free health care to illegal immigrants.

Remember you guys had eight years to secure our border, it never happened for some reason. So much for "homeland security"

[Smurf-Herder]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Section 246:


I don't think you can break it down any more Barney-style than this. I challenge you to explain how this does not put another hole in another one of Fox News's arguments.

Here's a more in-depth analysis:


From the Fact Check Desk: Illegal Immigrants and Health Care Reform

Defending his reasoning, if not his outburst, today Rep. Joe Wilson, R-SC, declared that “the Congressional Research Service has indicated that indeed the bills that are before Congress would include illegal aliens.”

What Rep. Wilson had so bluntly yelled was a “lie” last night was a different assertion; President Obama had said, “the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.” In other words, the president had changed the debate from any specific legislation to what he was proposing – and, indeed the White House last night posted a 2 ½ page legislative outline called “The Obama Plan” on its website, which as of today seems to be the only plan White House officials are willing to discuss or defend.

But be that as it may, we decided to take a look at the August 26 Congressional Research Service report "Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200," the House bill.

The non-partisan analysts conclude that:

* some illegal immigrants -- those who "meet the substantial presence test" -- would be taxed if they don't obtain health insurance that meets the requirements of the law;

* there are no immigration-related restrictions on who can participate President Obama’s proposed health insurance exchanges;

* to qualify for any subsidies for health insurance, "individuals must be lawfully present in a state in the United States." That does not preclude those in this country legally who have illegal immigrants in their family from qualifying for the subsidies.

* how will the government make sure that subsidies don't go to illegal immigrants? The mechanism is left entirely up to the Health Commissioner, who is instructed by law that he or must have some process to establish immigration status before giving subsidies. Sec. 241(b)(1), pg 130 : “the Commissioner shall establish a process whereby, on the basis of information otherwise available, individuals may be deemed to be affordable credit eligible individuals." That “shall” is key.

The one way the H.R. 3200 could end up in more health care being provided to illegal immigrants by taxpayers comes from the expansion of Medicaid.

Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.

H.R. 3200 would extend Medicaid coverage up to 133 1/3% of poverty for populations that previously were not covered such as some parents and childless adults.

That expansion could – could -- mean more illegal immigrants would become eligible for Emergency Medicaid.

Which is not to say that citizens don't pay for those costs anyway through extra hospital fees, but this would clearly be a more direct billing to the taxpayer.

**

As long as I have your attention, I should point out that all of us already pay the costs of health care for illegal immigrants -- through emergency room visits, Emergency Medicaid, hidden fees by hospitals, workplace safety incidents, and the like. This idea that we all aren’t paying for this one way or another is non-reality-based.

**

But back to the fact check desk: do President Obama’s proposed reforms apply to those in the U.S. illegally? No.

To recap on what CRS says: Does the House bill provided subsidies to illegal immigrants? No.

Would the House bill require illegal immigrants to have health insurance? Some of them, yes.

Would the House bill allow illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance in a health insurance exchange? It doesn’t restrict it, though White House press secretary Robert Gibbs today said he didn’t think the version of the law the president would sign would allow such a thing.

Could the House bill expand emergency Medicaid laws as they already exist, perhaps – perhaps -- expanding coverage for illegal immigrants in keeping with current law?

According to CRS: Yes.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/from-the-fact-check-desk-illegal-immigrants-and-health-care-reform.html

[foxbaron]

You would lose that bet. He has collected some, but his opponent is ahead now. Don't visit Vegas much I hope?

What are yiou saying? That the guy that collects the most doillars wins?

In other words you get the best government that money can buy? regardless of who is doing the buying.

[Zebulon0351]

According to CRS: Yes.


Thanks for the link and info.

[foxbaron]

Then you are talking about issues that have to do with individual employers. The issue I am talking about it the government willingly providing absolute free health care to illegal immigrants.

Remember you guys had eight years to secure our border, it never happened for some reason. So much for "homeland security"

You are right, we did have eight years and didn't do the job. Why?>

The only thing that makes any sense to me, as crazy as it may sound, is that we had a deal with Mexico, wherein they provided us with some really great intelligence on possible terrorists attempting to enter our country or they allowed our special forces or used their own forces to eliminate these bastards on Mexican soil, before they had a chance to enter the U.S.

Nothing else makes any sense to me. It is a trade off I would be willing to make if I knew we were doing it but it certainly isn't something the public can know because then it wouldn't be a secret anymore.

Short of this I see no reason why we couldn't close the borders and deal with the illegals.

An intelligence operation I can understand no matter how far off the books it may be, but doing nothing at all is unacceptable and a threat to our National Security.

Therefore, I can only assume that we were running some type of intelligence operation and the info we were getting was well worth the pass we gave the illegal immigrants.

For all we know we may well know where practically every single terrorsit cell is and who their members are and when and if the shit hits the fan we will be able to swoop down on them and round them up. Short of that we did a shit job of securing our borders.

But, there is still hope. Pass a law that says illegals are not entitled to welfare benefits, educational benefits, free medical care, housing, or anything else. If you are illegal, you do not exist as far as government benefits are concerned. You are not entitled to ANYTHING whatsoever and that includes any babies born here because you were able to sneak across the border before you dropped the little booger out. Being born here of an illegal alien should not automatically make you a citizen.

[Zebulon0351]

Being born here of an illegal alien should not automatically make you a citizen.

I sat next to an unaccompanied minor flying from Houston to Alabama. He was a nine year old child named David who was the son of two illegal immigrants.

He could speak perfect english and spanish, and I eventually found myself talking to him using language that would be considered way beyond the comprehension level of a normal 9 year old American child.

But his mom cleaned houses for a living and his dad was an unemployed mechanic. I could never justify from a moral standpoint neglecting this child from any opportunities any other American child should have.

Now I do support rounding up any illegal immigrants and shipping them back across the border, but I also can understand human nature and the will to succeed... to survive. I realize there is an immigration problem within the United States, but until we can do something to keep them the fuck out (Like Dubya's missing fence for example) there is not much we can do representing America... the melting pot.... to neglect anyone basic means of survival.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

You must be unemployed too, another bum for UHC.

BTW -Norway has 4,644,457 people in July 2008

the US had 303,824,640 at that same time period

Apples and Oranges:lmao2:
actually I am very much employed and NOT a bum...thank you very kindly for your ignorant blind stereotyping...My wife and I BOTH work but still can not afford insurance...problem with that?

And before you even go there and say we spend beyond our means....we make around 800 a month take out 450 bucks for monthly rent, a 65 dolloar phone bill(we need unlimited long distance because we livefar enough away from family and friends that we need long distance), car insurance, renters insurance...groceries...tell me how we afford health insurance?

[doctordog]

actually I am very much employed and NOT a bum...thank you very kindly for your ignorant blind stereotyping...My wife and I BOTH work but still can not afford insurance...problem with that?

And before you even go there and say we spend beyond our means....we make around 800 a month take out 450 bucks for monthly rent, a 65 dolloar phone bill(we need unlimited long distance because we livefar enough away from family and friends that we need long distance), car insurance, renters insurance...groceries...tell me how we afford health insurance?

God damn, you are a perfect example! If you only make $800/month why the fuck did you get married? JFC! Did you drop out of second grade? :lmao2:

$800/month is $200/week divided by 40 is $5.00/hour, hell minimum wage is higher than that.

Common sense says you didn't need to get married. Now why should everyone be taxed more for judgement like that. God Damn!

[Bill Cosby]

I think the left would perfer we tie wilson to a tree and shoot him.

Why's that...??

Like you he is useful.... :thumbsup:

:hi:

[Moby]

I think the left would perfer we tie wilson to a tree and shoot him.
Hell no. Wilson is the perfect example of how the Republican party has been hijacked by overly emotional ass holes that aren't capable of common respect for this country or work on information based on facts.

Joe Wilson will win in land slide in South Carolina. He will also drive the middle of the road voters away from Republicans in groves.

[Cookie]

actually I am very much employed and NOT a bum...thank you very kindly for your ignorant blind stereotyping...My wife and I BOTH work but still can not afford insurance...problem with that?

And before you even go there and say we spend beyond our means....we make around 800 a month take out 450 bucks for monthly rent, a 65 dolloar phone bill(we need unlimited long distance because we livefar enough away from family and friends that we need long distance), car insurance, renters insurance...groceries...tell me how we afford health insurance?

Are you two living on just one income, or are both of you working full time or part-time? Going to school?

From what I can see from your budget, you all are strained to the max. With a little more information, I might be able to help with some advice, if you want.
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[bairdi]

God damn, you are a perfect example! If you only make $800/month why the fuck did you get married? JFC! Did you drop out of second grade? :lmao2:

$800/month is $200/week divided by 40 is $5.00/hour, hell minimum wage is higher than that.

Common sense says you didn't need to get married. Now why should everyone be taxed more for judgement like that. God Damn!
Is this just an act or are you really that much of a jerk?

[Life_Long_Dem!]

God damn, you are a perfect example! If you only make $800/month why the fuck did you get married? JFC! Did you drop out of second grade? :lmao2:

$800/month is $200/week divided by 40 is $5.00/hour, hell minimum wage is higher than that.

Common sense says you didn't need to get married. Now why should everyone be taxed more for judgement like that. God Damn!
Actually I was overly conservative on the numbers, I looked at our pay stubs and its is closer to 950 to 1000 bucks a month but when you figure in our bills and that we are actually trying to save in the bank you really cant say there is enough for even decent affordable insurance. FYI I graduated high school you ASS and have some college under my belt.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

And to answer the other question we BOTH work..thought I made that clear in my original post. She works basically 3 jobs in one place...she works at a best western hotel as housekeeper where they get paid by the rooms they do so the more you do the better@4 bucks per room then she works laundry at the same hotel at $7.80 an hour and she works front desk 2 days a week for $7.30 an hour(minimum wage here in Ohio) I work as a cook at a mom and pop diner making minimum wage and averaging 195-200 bucks a week but have several apps in for better jobs.

[doctordog]

Actually I was overly conservative on the numbers, I looked at our pay stubs and its is closer to 950 to 1000 bucks a month but when you figure in our bills and that we are actually trying to save in the bank you really cant say there is enough for even decent affordable insurance. FYI I graduated high school you ASS and have some college under my belt.

Please accept my apology as the education remark was below the belt.

After that, I am not asking the exact town but what region do you live in?

Your housing cost should be less that 20% of our total house hold income and you are close to 50%.

Do you have cell phones? If yes why do you carry a land line?

Do you have one or two cars? do you need 2?

Do you smoke, drink, go out a lot? Your debt to income is cleary out of whack and you need to come up with a plan to increase your income. I asked my local restaurant this morning what she pays her cooks, 3 of them have been there over 10 years and they make $15.00/hour. The other two make $10.00/hour. Of course she is the best business in town.

Are you still in school? If so, most universities offer some very affordable rates to students, when my son when getting out had to get off my insurance and then decided to go back to school for his MBA, he was getting it for something like 124/month and it covered an emergency room visit with an MRI.

If you have never watched or listened, I would suggest Dave Ramsey, he can help you squeeze money out of your budget.

You are on the right track in getting your income up and again I am sorry for the cheapshot as I was 20 once with a kid on the way and it was rough.

[Life_Long_Dem!]

Please accept my apology as the education remark was below the belt.

After that, I am not asking the exact town but what region do you live in?

Your housing cost should be less that 20% of our total house hold income and you are close to 50%.

Do you have cell phones? If yes why do you carry a land line?

Do you have one or two cars? do you need 2?

Do you smoke, drink, go out a lot? Your debt to income is cleary out of whack and you need to come up with a plan to increase your income. I asked my local restaurant this morning what she pays her cooks, 3 of them have been there over 10 years and they make $15.00/hour. The other two make $10.00/hour. Of course she is the best business in town.

Are you still in school? If so, most universities offer some very affordable rates to students, when my son when getting out had to get off my insurance and then decided to go back to school for his MBA, he was getting it for something like 124/month and it covered an emergency room visit with an MRI.

If you have never watched or listened, I would suggest Dave Ramsey, he can help you squeeze money out of your budget.

You are on the right track in getting your income up and again I am sorry for the cheapshot as I was 20 once with a kid on the way and it was rough.
apology accepted. I don't smoke but she does, neither of us really drink except for birthdays and special occasions so that is not a major issue. We live in Bowling Green Ohio, a major college town and rent is high anywhere we go here. I myself am not in school and neither is she. We just have one car and no cell phones, just the landline.we are looking to move out of this town to a more affordable area but are trying to save up.

[doctordog]

apology accepted. I don't smoke but she does, neither of us really drink except for birthdays and special occasions so that is not a major issue. We live in Bowling Green Ohio, a major college town and rent is high anywhere we go here. I myself am not in school and neither is she. We just have one car and no cell phones, just the landline.we are looking to move out of this town to a more affordable area but are trying to save up.

Are you in a postion where you could move to Fort Wayne? Columbus? Cleveland? You are pretty close to Toledo, right?

I will be in Indianapolis, Richmond, and Lafayette next week and will be sure and ask how everyone's market is doing. Could you move to any of these places for the opportunity?

Columbus has a new recycling refinery that just cranked up called Heartland, they refine used oil and might could use extra labor and those postions pay 12-18.00 per hour just for being dependable and reporting to work. I have friends in the Fort Wayne market and will ask around.

What is your college background in?

[Cookie]

And to answer the other question we BOTH work..thought I made that clear in my original post. She works basically 3 jobs in one place...she works at a best western hotel as housekeeper where they get paid by the rooms they do so the more you do the better@4 bucks per room then she works laundry at the same hotel at $7.80 an hour and she works front desk 2 days a week for $7.30 an hour(minimum wage here in Ohio) I work as a cook at a mom and pop diner making minimum wage and averaging 195-200 bucks a week but have several apps in for better jobs.

If your wife works at the front desk of a hotel, she obviously would be using computers and telephone systems. Why doesn't she apply for a secretarial position at the University of Bowling Green? They would have great benefits (including health insurance that would cover you too, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions) and she'd make more money than what she is doing now, more than all 3 of her jobs put together. That would be a good start to increase your income and get that health insurance going.

You do need to try to find a home or apt. that is less expensive. I know college towns take advantage of the situation, but there ought to be something cheaper out there. Even saving $100 bucks a month on rent would buy enough groceries for a week or two, depending on what you normally eat.

Also, you might get cheaper phone rates if you switched to a cell phone and cancelled your land line. Might be worth checking into.

Oh, I forgot to mention....Universities often offer free classes for staff members. If your wife could get a position, she might be able to work on a degree while she's there. Definitely a nice benefit!!

You both should visit the personnel office at Bowling Green. They have a dept. you might enjoy working in, what we call the Physical plant at our University. They are in charge of grounds maintenance, carpentry, painting, plumbing, electrical, heating and air, and a hundred other things I haven't mentioned. They pay well, and again, you would get the great benefits, and most likely, a state retirement plan. Please do check it out.

Best of luck to you both,

Corgi
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[doctordog]

If your wife works at the front desk of a hotel, she obviously would be using computers and telephone systems. Why doesn't she apply for a secretarial position at the University of Bowling Green? They would have great benefits (including health insurance that would cover you too, with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions) and she'd make more money than what she is doing now, more than all 3 of her jobs put together. That would be a good start to increase your income and get that health insurance going.

You do need to try to find a home or apt. that is less expensive. I know college towns take advantage of the situation, but there ought to be something cheaper out there. Even saving $100 bucks a month on rent would buy enough groceries for a week or two, depending on what you normally eat.

Also, you might get cheaper phone rates if you switched to a cell phone and cancelled your land line. Might be worth checking into.

Oh, I forgot to mention....Universities often offer free classes for staff members. If your wife could get a position, she might be able to work on a degree while she's there. Definitely a nice benefit!!

You both should visit the personnel office at Bowling Green. They have a dept. you might enjoy working in, what we call the Physical plant at our University. They are in charge of grounds maintenance, carpentry, painting, plumbing, electrical, heating and air, and a hundred other things I haven't mentioned. They pay well, and again, you would get the great benefits, and most likely, a state retirement plan. Please do check it out.

Best of luck to you both,

Corgi

Good ideas Corgi:thumbsup: