Time for flat tax or regressive tax.

[kres24GT]

We need to put more of a tax burden on the middle and lower classes. This will finally force the politicians to be fiscally conservative. They can spend and legislate (not to mention rush to war) at will when only 5% of the population is footing most of the bill.

But the majority of the burden on the majority of people. It will force Americans to keep their politicians in check.


Even though a regressive tax would probably accomplish this better, a flat tax, or retail sales tax would be superior. Our tax code is so complex it is ridiculous, simplifying it would be better.

[stefan segal]

kres...you have an nsane streak. Do you take meds...?

You are mixing two criteria in your thinking without discrimination...and unless that is your aim...to spread misinformation through flawed logic, you need to rethink your stateement correctly.

I believe when you state your calling for a reshuffling of the "tax burden"...you are referring not to the amount of collected tax dollars from these separate groups, but the percentage of tax obligation owed by each...the high end earners carrying the high percentage as compared to those who count thier own money before spending.

This other half of your complaint, I assue is based upon some fanciful notion about 5% of the high-enders carry the bulk of our national tax bill.

If you consider the demography involved in your statement, along with how much legal tax is not paid by these same 5%, you will redily note how nonsensical is your contention.

The task of cleaning up your misapprhensions is a life task...if someone possibly might be interested in persuing such... I am not that interested, so I will point out to you the logic of why your 5% shiuld owe a much greater tax than us no-names.

Every rich person of the levels you speak, don't remain at those levels on and by their own sweat...they obtain a % from all those workers who service and comprize their businesses and their homes.

All these workers function on our streets, phones, airwaves and air, with the purpose of keeping those 5% at 5%. In other words, a whole lot of public infrastructure is engaged in this process...to build and maintain limited asccess infra structure, such as mentioned above, cost us all money...those who use more of it should pay more.

The guy driving the 16 wheeler down our highways, should not be "flat taxed" equally to the 5%'ers who put him in their truck...that sort of notion could only appear viable to a libertarian.

kres...do you see it? Do you see the inequality of burden you are suggesting?

Those who use more...cost all of us more, should pay thier own way.

Stefan

[Kinky Jones]

i don't think it really matters where the money comes from but more where it is gonna go after the war starts that influences going to war more than anything...

but even if your theory is right a better way of rectifying the problem would be to spread the wealth of this country out more evenly... good luck with that in a free market capitalistic society where the tiny upper class looks at the lower classes and all they see are dollar signs :(

and if you want a better tax system in this country elect Mike Gravel or Ron Paul, they don't have their dollar sign blinders on and they both want to abolish the IRS, Gravel wants to implement the "Fair Tax" system, you could probly find some good info about the fair tax by doing a search on the board, not sure what Ron Paul wants to do but he kept his hand raised the other night when Jon Stewart asked im if he wanted to get rid of the IRS :thumbsup:

[kres24GT]

i don't think it really matters where the money comes from but more where it is gonna go after the war starts that influences going to war more than anything...

but even if your theory is right a better way of rectifying the problem would be to spread the wealth of this country out more evenly... good luck with that in a free market capitalistic society where the tiny upper class looks at the lower classes and all they see are dollar signs :(

and if you want a better tax system in this country elect Mike Gravel or Ron Paul, they don't have their dollar sign blinders on and they both want to abolish the IRS, Gravel wants to implement the "Fair Tax" system, you could probly find some good info about the fair tax by doing a search on the board, not sure what Ron Paul wants to do but he kept his hand raised the other night when Jon Stewart asked im if he wanted to get rid of the IRS :thumbsup:


No need to spread the wealth. Just spread the burden. This will force politicians to stop spending so much as the people won't stand for it. Getting rid of withholding might also accomplish this.


I like the Fair Tax, but it alleviates the poor from any tax burden, a big negative for me. Still far better than what we have now.

[Bill]

It'll never happen. The government likes the way the income tax lets them reward, punish, and intimidate citizens.

[Mr. Blue]

The tax system is broken, the IRS is a bloated bureaucracy, and it definitely needs to be changed. How? Well, I'm pretty much with Bill on this...it'll never happen. I'm starting to see that a lot of things will never happen because politicians are more or less cowards now...they like their broken system and have no intentions of ever changing it.

I think we need a Guy Fawkes right about now.

[Kinky Jones]

No need to spread the wealth. Just spread the burden. This will force politicians to stop spending so much as the people won't stand for it. Getting rid of withholding might also accomplish this.


I like the Fair Tax, but it alleviates the poor from any tax burden, a big negative for me. Still far better than what we have now.

there is a drastic need to spread the wealth but not under the current system we have in place... burdening an already over-worked middle class is not the way to fix anything, you really think that a few extra bucks in taxes on US citizens would have kept you from being sent to Iraq? the dumbed down citizens of our country took the bait, hook, line, and sinker on the war in Iraq, anybody who wasn't for it was "un-patriotic" and "anti-american" and the sheeple of the US wanted nothing less than to wipe out whomever our gov't told them we needed to... i'm with you on not holding up the poor who really are lazy and abuse the system, but people always mention "giving my money away to the poor" and never mention that in this country our politicians give trillions of our tax dollars to big business and nobody seems to care about that, and the amount of money is gigantic compared to the handouts that the poor recieve... if you want to force fiscal responsibility make it a law that the gov't can't take more than 10% of any person or business income and force them to run the country on that, if they can't then vote in new politicians until we get it right... take for example the dems latest fold, they put the milk industry ahead of the people to the tune of billions of dollars, i don't know about where anybody else lives but there are no milk shortages where i live, in fact every store has "buy one get one free" on gallons of milk... so why are politicians giving money to the milk industry when they are giving their product away for free????? somebody needs to be held accountable for answering questions like that before anybody starts taxing anybody else more