View Full Version : Proposal to Congress to adopt the people's healthcare plan for THEMSELVES.
Hog Trash
09-06-2009, 07:09 PM
If the Healthcare Bill is worth it's salt, wouldn't you think our Congress and Senate would sign on for the same plan they have in mind for us???
http://fleming.house.gov/ House Resolution 615
Over the past few weeks, members of Congress and the American people have come to know the details of the Administration's proposed health care plan. Call it whatever you like, I believe this proposal is nothing more than government-run health care. As a physician, I am amazed at the number of bureaucrats in this House who are quick to claim a government-run health care plan is the reform this country needs. In response to this, I have offered a resolution that will offer members of Congress an opportunity to put their money where their mouth is, and urge their colleagues who vote for legislation creating a government-run health care plan to lead by example and enroll themselves in the same public plan.
Under the current draft of the Democrat healthcare legislation, members of Congress are curiously exempt from the government-run health care option, keeping their existing health plans and services on Capitol Hill. If Members of Congress believe so strongly that government-run health care is the best solution for hard working American families, I think it only fitting that Americans see them lead the way. Public servants should always be accountable and responsible for what they are advocating.
Together we will work to ensure that any plan that is good enough for American families is good enough for every member of Congress.
View Resolution http://fleming.house.gov/images/FLEMING%20HEALTH%20CARE%20RESOLUTION.pdf
To see a list of Representatives who currently support H. Res 615, please click here. http://fleming.house.gov/uploads/H%20%20Res%20%20615%20COSPONSORS%20for%20WEBSITE.p df
Captain Obvious
09-06-2009, 07:13 PM
Why would they want to die waiting for medical services like they are in Canada?
Bill Cosby
09-06-2009, 07:24 PM
Why would they want to die waiting for medical services like they are in Canada?
How many died in Canada last month waiting???
How many in this country died last week waiting???:hi:
They are offering the citizens less than what they get..........
Is that a surprise???
Just like back in the USSR & Animal farm............
All us animals are created equal............ But some are more equal than others........:thumbsup:
Captain Obvious
09-06-2009, 07:53 PM
How many died in Canada last month waiting???
How many in this country died last week waiting???:hi:
They are offering the citizens less than what they get..........
Is that a surprise???
Just like back in the USSR & Animal farm............
All us animals are created equal............ But some are more equal than others........:thumbsup:
Who knows, it's probably a very unreliable stat to track.
CMS (that's Medicare) tracks stats out the fucking wazoo, but like the dog that digs up a bone - it doesn't know what the fuck to do with it.
Fact is we have a healthcare system that works. Canada doesn't. I could dig up facts and article and you could too that contradict each other. That's fine. My opinion is somewhat based on a couple different things. First, I work in healthcare. Consulting, business models, financing, reimbursement, shit like that - not clinical. I understand how healthcare dollars flow. Second, I live close to Canada. I get radio stations from Toronto through Hamilton through Guelph. Lotta people bitching about the care - ESPECIALLY those that live near the border and see how our system works.
Our government fucks practically every project it undertakes that should belong in the private sector - ie: the freemarket system. It doesn't know how to control costs, it doesn't know how to increase quality - it can't even fucking measure it. All CMS does is collect data and publish some shit months or years later.
What it will do to control costs is to cut services. That's all the fucking collective government knows how to do.
That's my fucking opinion.
Bill Cosby
09-07-2009, 02:31 AM
Who knows, it's probably a very unreliable stat to track.
CMS (that's Medicare) tracks stats out the fucking wazoo, but like the dog that digs up a bone - it doesn't know what the fuck to do with it.
Fact is we have a healthcare system that works. Canada doesn't. .
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You are wrong my friend their system works according them.... No one there going bankrupt for getting sick... I wan a system like France not Canada...
Talk to Canadians not Americans about their system... That will get you on the right page.... :thumbsup:
We have a system that works??? LOL for who?? It works for me...... & maybe you.. But there are 47,000,000 Americans it is not working for....
That is a problem....
All the other industrialized nations got this worked.......... We Amercians to fucking stupid to as well????
Hog Trash
09-07-2009, 03:35 PM
How many democrats in congress do you believe will switch to this health plan they are trying to force down our throats?
Keeping the Truth From the Public
Opponents of a government run take over of health care have put together an organizational chart of what this plan would look like. House Democrats DO NOT want the American people to see this and even constructed roadblocks in approving communication between Republican congressman and their constituents. To view what House Democrats don't want you to see, click here.
http://fleming.house.gov/uploads/Org%20Chart%20of%20Dem%20Health%20Plan.pdf
There are "Seven Dirty Words" the House Democrats don't want you see when it comes to their health care plan. To view the list, click here.
http://fleming.house.gov/uploads/Seven%20Dirty%20Words.pdf
SEVEN “DIRTY WORDS OR PHRASES” YOU CAN’T USE TO DESCRIBE THE LEADING DEMOCRATIC HEALTHCARE PROPOSAL
GOVERNMENT-RUN
SINGLE-PAYER
SOCIALIZED MEDICINE
OBAMA-CARE
RATIONED-CARE
GOVERNMENT MANDATE CARE
KEEP YOUR “CHANGE” CARE
Again it seems that so many people don't have even a small understanding of what is being proposed.
The public option is a last resort for people that can't get affordable health insurance through work, military history, group or because of past medial history. It's not for people without health problems or jobs that offer group coverage.
Why do so many people not understand the most basic aspects of this proposal?
doctordog
09-07-2009, 08:07 PM
Again it seems that so many people don't have even a small understanding of what is being proposed.
The public option is a last resort for people that can't get affordable health insurance through work, military history, group or because of past medial history. It's not for people without health problems or jobs that offer group coverage.
Why do so many people not understand the most basic aspects of this proposal?
We understand what is written, what many fail to understand as it will give employers that provide that coverage now an excuse to drop their company plans forcing many of us from a great plan to a bare minimum plan for being responsible to begin with.
Bill Cosby
09-07-2009, 09:26 PM
Again it seems that so many people don't have even a small understanding of what is being proposed.
The public option is a last resort for people that can't get affordable health insurance through work, military history, group or because of past medial history. It's not for people without health problems or jobs that offer group coverage.
Why do so many people not understand the most basic aspects of this proposal?
Well I think they work @ not understanding it real hard... :banghead: :hi:
You are talking to folks that got issues w/ giving a working man a "free dental check up" w/ his own damn money..... & got no qualms w/ giving handouts to millionaires on wallstreet...........
They would rather send a kid to prison for a few years @ $25,000 per year (where he will get free healthcare :D ) Then waste that on his curable disease...
This is how the good Amerikans roll........ http://www.osamex.com/images/toilet-roll_money8.jpg
Hog Trash
09-09-2009, 10:19 PM
Anybody feeling a little more confident?
Whata ya think about his 500 billion dollar medicare cuts?
Do you really believe not one dime will be added to the national deficit?
Can we really have better healthcare, covering more people and no increase in cost?
Smurf-Herder
09-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Whata ya think about his 500 billion dollar medicare cuts?
He said that was waste and abuse - that for some odd reason they're not fixing now. But they know the exact amount, for some reason - and will fix it only when we give them something to spend it on.
What a fucking joke.
doctordog
09-09-2009, 10:23 PM
Anybody feeling a little more confident?
Whata ya think about his 500 billion dollar medicare cuts?
Do you really believe not one dime will be added to the national deficit?
Can we really have better healthcare, covering more people and no increase in cost?
Let's look at his past behavior when talking about deficits.
Nope, he is lying again.
Let's look at his past behavior when talking about deficits.
Nope, he is lying again.
Doesn't past behavior on deficits show that Republicans increase them to major proportions and that Democratic Presidents lower them?
Hog Trash
09-10-2009, 01:15 PM
Doesn't past behavior on deficits show that Republicans increase them to major proportions and that Democratic Presidents lower them?The "deficit"???...What about the ever increasing taxes and government spending and the waste, fraud, inefficiency and corruption that accompanies it.
You poor simple minded democrats and republicans amaze me...You blame the other side while loyaly defending your own...Some of us have wised up.
The final result is nothing ever changes...Untill you realize that you're both wrong and that if you really desire 'change', you have to make it happen yourself.
MichMike
09-10-2009, 01:28 PM
My dearest darling Hoglet,
Let me help you on the Medicare "cuts." First, be a good little boy and google Medicare Advantage Overpayments. Medicare Advantage - fiercely protected by W - was designed so your beloved private insurance companies could offer Medicare benefits. This WAS SOLD by the far right as a way to reduce costs as the beloved private market would surely low costs through competition. Well, surprise, surprise the beloved private sector worked with the Bush adminstration to protect payments that are 14% HIGHER than anything Medicare pays direct. Another right wing/free market scam exploiting the intense demand for healthcare.
The CBO (you know the group you guys like to mention when it's convenient) has stated that 150 billion dollars could be saved over the next 10 years if these payments were brought into line with normal Medicare payments. Again, Medicare Advantage is a scam!!!!!
http://www.cbpp.org/files/12-5-07health.pdf
You've admitted you know little about healthcare and continue to make things up - you are pathetic.
Now then, will the far right (humiliated last night) agree to drop their government healthcare if nothing passes?
2% Hypocrite.
Bill Cosby
09-10-2009, 01:43 PM
I think it goes like this... When there is a dem presient (like clinton) & debt goes down it is the rep congress that did it..
When it goes up & a Bush, Regan are president it is the dems in congresses fault..
I think Newt was on the money..... They are the right wing party for bigger & bigger gov/spending....
What about the ever increasing taxes
Have your Federal taxes been going up the past decade?
doctordog
09-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Doesn't past behavior on deficits show that Republicans increase them to major proportions and that Democratic Presidents lower them?
Only because they are ballless when it comes to US citizens being attacked. Some one has to clean up after them.
Only because they are ballless when it comes to US citizens being attacked. Some one has to clean up after them.
Again, you're not making any sense.
You wanted to look at past behaviour when it came to deficits. It was your statement that based on past behavior that this democratic President claims that he'll lower the deficit and you claimed that based on past behavior he is lying. The past behavior clearly shows that you're wrong. Doesn't it?
The past behavior that you speak about clearly shows that Republican Presidents are against paying bills and increase spending deficits by massive amounts while Democrat Presidents have to clean up after them.
Do you have ADD or something?
He said that was waste and abuse - that for some odd reason they're not fixing now. But they know the exact amount, for some reason - and will fix it only when we give them something to spend it on.
What a fucking joke.
Do you think we can just wave a magic wand and change things over night? It takes time. Wait a few year and I bet that you'll see the deficits come way down from the 2009 budget implemented by Bush. I bet you'll see unemployment in better shape in 2011 than it was at the end of 2008.
Something this large as our economy and political system doesn't change over night. There's no magic potion here. It's going to take years of hard word to get us back to where we were on January 2001.
doctordog
09-11-2009, 01:16 PM
Again, you're not making any sense.
You wanted to look at past behaviour when it came to deficits. It was your statement that based on past behavior that this democratic President claims that he'll lower the deficit and you claimed that based on past behavior he is lying. The past behavior clearly shows that you're wrong. Doesn't it?
The past behavior that you speak about clearly shows that Republican Presidents are against paying bills and increase spending deficits by massive amounts while Democrat Presidents have to clean up after them.
Do you have ADD or something?
Obama's past behavior on telling the truth says he is lying, it has nothing to do with past Presidents Moby, nice deflection for your hero though. This is about the current President, not a partisan left against right.
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