Small Business owner with legitimate concerns and ideas ignored by representative

[Smurf-Herder]

This woman had legitimate concerns and ideas and apparently was ignored after her time to speak at a town hall meeting. Watch the complete video before responding. She elaborates more in her interview.

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[bairdi]

This woman had legitimate concerns and ideas and apparently was ignored after her time to speak at a town hall meeting. Watch the complete video before responding. She elaborates more in her interview.

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I agree that this woman has legitimate concerns, but after listening to her voice them I came away thinking that she is very uninformed about what some of the health care reforms will do for her. Under the proposed insurance exchange she would be able access the most affordable option for her. The purpose of the current health care proposals is not to make insurance harder to get and costlier, but to aid her in reducing costs.

I think Al Franken does a great job in this video of addressing health care reform. The "angry mob" title by whoever posted the video though is a bit condescending. I don't see any anger from the crowd.

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[Smurf-Herder]

I agree that this woman has legitimate concerns, but after listening to her voice them I came away thinking that she is very uninformed about what some of the health care reforms will do for her. Under the proposed insurance exchange she would be able access the most affordable option for her. The purpose of the current health care proposals is not to make insurance harder to get and costlier, but to aid her in reducing costs.

I think Al Franken does a great job in this video of addressing health care reform. The "angry mob" title by whoever posted the video though is a bit condescending. I don't see any anger from the crowd.

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The problem with the proposed insurance exchange is people don't want the government controlling everything through the proposed insurance exchange.

[John Galt]

Great...8 minutes, and this bimbo has no clue.


As Bairdi points out, she'll do better under a public healthcare system.

I've got a few questions for her...

How many employees does she have?...on the books?

Tort reform has nothing to do with her, although she claims her WC ins. went down. W. Comp premiums are based on the level of danger of your business, coupled with the number of claims you have.



So...she's a small business owner, but she doesn't offer her employees health insurance? She doesn't have to provide it for free, but I was under the impression that she must have a plan/group that they can join.

Maybe she employs illegals, and pays them cash. I'm not sure who the W.Comp is for.


As well, she is entitled to the same plan that I have....A health savings acct., that you can put app. $3000.00/yr...pre tax....and spend it on anything health related. I have a high deductible ins. policy with that, that keeps my premiums manageable. If I go to a doctor, I get the ins. company's negotiated rates, instead of being raped by paying cash.


It is exactly the type of acct. she's screaming about. Why doesn't she shut the fuck up, and get one?


As usual, the idiots at these town hall meetings like to make noise, but they don't realize that they're shooting themselves in the foot. The emails don't explain that to them.

[John Galt]

http://www.health--savings--accounts.com/plans-ca.htm


Tell the stupid bimbo to stop yelling, and check her facts


Typical of what you find at these town hall meetings.

[Smurf-Herder]

Yeah, that's the first thing we need to do, label all the dissenters from the party line as idiots and bimbos. :thumbsup:

[John Galt]

Yeah, that's the first thing we need to do, label all the dissenters from the party line as idiots and bimbos. :thumbsup:


Did she have a point? I must have missed it.


Why is she screaming about something that is already available to her?

[Citizen]

Al Franken can go fuck himself.

[Smurf-Herder]

Did she have a point? I must have missed it.


Why is she screaming about something that is already available to her?

What you posted was about health care savings accounts. Not about tort reform, or buying health care insurance across state lines.

Yeah, I guess you did miss her point.

[John Galt]

What you posted was about health care savings accounts. Not about tort reform, or buying health care insurance across state lines.

Yeah, I guess you did miss her point.
Tell me how tort reform affects a baker?

She already claimed that her Work. Comp was reduced due to the reform in Cal.. Why is she still screaming?

She has no health care coverage. That's her choice. She was demanding catastrophic coverage, and all she has to do is pick up the phone.


Did she have another point?

[Smurf-Herder]

Tell me how tort reform affects a baker?

She already claimed that her Work. Comp was reduced due to the reform in Cal.. Why is she still screaming?

She has no health care coverage. That's her choice. She was demanding catastrophic coverage, and all she has to do is pick up the phone.


Did she have another point?

I think the idea is she wants more choice and lower costs for employee health insurance - as well as other small businesses. Not just a health care savings plan for herself.

Tort reform and competition from insurance companies outside of her state would lower the cost of that.

Are you trying to say you've solved the problem of health insurance costs for all small businesses?

[CosmicRocker]

maybe when Congress ACTUALLY is in Session, instead of on their numerous breaks, some of this confusion/stupidity can be cleared up.

The timing was horrendous, a whole month of batshit crazoids to dumb down the public.

But they better get a clear mantra : you will be insured, competion {p.opt} will drive down prices, you can't loose your ins, if you change jobs.

There is So much disinformation, and confusion.


Obama's speech to Congress next week is gonna make or break reform

[foxbaron]

I think she is complaining that she is ignored by her representative, as is usual, and that she feels she is going to be forced into a health care plan she really doesn't understand and will be forced to pay whether she wants that plan or not.

She wants options and doesn't feel they are being presented to her. She seems to think Congress is going to ram a health care plan down her throat without her having any say in it and she is probably right.

No one yet, as far as I am concerned, has presented an intelligent health care plan that the American people are willing to live with.

No one yet, has presented a plan that is based on common sense and that is understanable to those who will have to live with it. Yoiu know damn well that Congress will be exempted from it.

There needs to be a plan that makes sense to people. There needs to be a plan that is affordable to each individual as well as the government.

I think that once the Congress finally comes up with a plan it should be presented to the American people for their comments prior to passing it and it absolutely must include all members of Congress as well as the Administration.

Don't pass a plan that Congress isn't agreeable to living under too. And that I think is the underlying complaint of all. If it is good enough for us it should be good enough for Congress. Stop acting like you are royalty Congress. And, one more thing, actually read it this time before you vote on it.

[Binky]

http://www.health--savings--accounts.com/plans-ca.htm


Tell the stupid bimbo to stop yelling, and check her facts


Typical of what you find at these town hall meetings.



Well, from where I'm sitting all you can seem to do is label her as a bimbo. Does that mean any woman who thinks differently than you is labeled that? I suppose it makes you feel like a much bigger man to call a label her a name. Since I watched the entire vid, she certainly didn't come off as a "bimbo", but more as a very concerned business woman.

[Binky]

The problem with the proposed insurance exchange is people don't want the government controlling everything through the proposed insurance exchange.


For the most part, that's true. But there are however, those that can't seem to live without a nanny. They think their lives will be enriched because the gov't has offered a "teet", to them to suck on.

[John Galt]

Well, from where I'm sitting all you can seem to do is label her as a bimbo. Does that mean any woman who thinks differently than you is labeled that? I suppose it makes you feel like a much bigger man to call a label her a name. Since I watched the entire vid, she certainly didn't come off as a "bimbo", but more as a very concerned business woman.
Perhaps you need to watch it again.

Why is she yelling? She has a microphone in her hand. She's parroting what she sees on Fox News each night. She's screaming about tort reform. Later, she seems relieved that she doesn't "Have to worry about all of these lawsuits". What is her worry? I wonder what's going to happen when one of her family members files a lawsuit for damages? I'm sure she'll just walk away, and tell the party that injured them "Don't worry about it".

What exactly do you think an alternative health insurance program will create?


COMPETITION! She's screaming about the need for competition, while she's complaining about some theoretical plan that will be shoved down her throat? She has no idea what's going to come from these talks.

She has nothing now, because she refuses to pay for insurance....period. She claims...in the last minute of an 8 minute video....that she would be happy to pay for insurance.

Then why the hell was she screaming at the meeting? Go pay for insurance, and shut the fuck up. She hasn't even researched the topic....as we see with all the other morons who want to get their faces on t.v..


Just as we saw with Joe the Plumber...she's a liar. She portrays herself as a small business owner, who's part of the millions who keep this country running. She either has no, or few employees. If she had 20 or more, she would have to pay for insurance, or pay into a fund for same. This same program would cover her.

There seems to be a growing trend in this country. When you have nothing of value to say, just yell it. It always gets the "rock star" result you're looking for.



If she wanted insurance, she could have the exact catastrophic insurance she claims to want, for less than $200.00/month.


The bimbo is screaming at the top of her lungs about the free market system. What exactly do you think causes high healthcare costs now?

She's demanding competition, while demanding that we don't get the alternative that will create competition. Nobody said that we can't keep the insurance that we already have.

She just refuses to buy any.


Bimbo

[foxbaron]

We're being played by both sides at the moment because no one has a real plan as yet. The biggest question is: When they they finally do come up with one will they let us see it before they pass it.

The scary part is not knowing what they will be voting on and whether or not we get any input into it.

The other scary part is that you know it will be thousands of pages long and no one will be able to understand the damn thing and it will all be left to interpretation.

I can see it now, you are lying on a table in surgery and they have just cut your stomach open and someone walks in and says, "Hey, wait a minute, we don't know yet if this is going to be paid for, stop the op". You can only hope the health plan they give you at least allows them to sew you back up.

Play it safe and take your own needle and thread along with you, just in case.

[John Galt]

We're being played by both sides at the moment because no one has a real plan as yet. The biggest question is: When they they finally do come up with one will they let us see it before they pass it.

The scary part is not knowing what they will be voting on and whether or not we get any input into it.

The other scary part is that you know it will be thousands of pages long and no one will be able to understand the damn thing and it will all be left to interpretation.

I can see it now, you are lying on a table in surgery and they have just cut your stomach open and someone walks in and says, "Hey, wait a minute, we don't know yet if this is going to be paid for, stop the op". You can only hope the health plan they give you at least allows them to sew you back up.

Play it safe and take your own needle and thread along with you, just in case.
If this issue is like all others, you're probably right. As well, the bill will probably fill right up with "non Mavericky" earmarks.

The reason the discussion fails in congress, is because under no circumstances will the republicans allow Obama to succeed with this issue. Healthcare has long been a major issue in this country, and they'll lose all hope of regaining control of the govt. if this thing is successful.

What gets lost here, is the fact that nobody ever said that anyone will be forced to accept any type of public insurance. If you can afford what you have, then keep it. As I see it, the biggest need is to give those with no healthcare, a way to receive basic coverage.

Don't worry about major surgeries...let's get things like immunizations, and runny noses fixed.


Doctors need to stop writing unnecessary prescriptions.


The HSA's were a landmark step. They are perfect for young people. Those who typically don't need to see doctors can save thousands of dollars on premiums. But...if they break an arm, they have coverage that will keep them out of the "free handout" lines at the hospitals.



This woman in the video either gets health coverage from her husband's job, or her family is choosing to let their kids (if she has any) go without any healthcare. There's no excuse for that.

There were a lot of facts she hadn't offered up during her meltdown.

[TitusPullo]

i dont understand exactly what she wants.

*she wants to pay for her own insurance. But she doesnt have any insurance.

*she would like catastrophic insurance. But she doesnt have it.

*she said tort reform allowed her to employ more people because she didnt have to worry about what i guess would be "frivolous" workers (workmens?) compensation claims. But seems to want even more reform.


* competition in the "free market" system would lower insurance costs, though i dont know how they could get any lower than the 'zero dollars' for NO INSURANCE AT ALL she refuses to pay to date.



She seems to think her 'fair share' is less than what current cost of everything is. She wants the government to cram deregulation of: workers benefits and what i guess are californias insurance co.s 'monoply rights' (my word), but not an insurance option thats would supposedly be affordable and available to everyone.


she seems conflicted between 'wanting to have and having to pay' for any existing insurance all while not wanting to have another option besides the current six.

Nothing the representative said or didnt say was on the vid provided.

[John Galt]

i dont understand exactly what she wants.

*she wants to pay for her own insurance. But she doesnt have any insurance.

*she would like catastrophic insurance. But she doesnt have it.

*she said tort reform allowed her to employ more people because she didnt have to worry about what i guess would be "frivolous" workers (workmens?) compensation claims. But seems to want even more reform.


* competition in the "free market" system would lower insurance costs, though i dont know how they could get any lower than the 'zero dollars' for NO INSURANCE AT ALL she refuses to pay to date.



She seems to think her 'fair share' is less than what current cost of everything is. She wants the government to cram deregulation of: workers benefits and what i guess are californias insurance co.s 'monoply rights' (my word), but not an insurance option thats would supposedly be affordable and available to everyone.


she seems conflicted between 'wanting to have and having to pay' for any existing insurance all while not wanting to have another option besides the current six.

Nothing the representative said or didnt say was on the vid provided.
I bellieve we've met "Joan the Baker"..She's full of shit.


Joe the Plumber was lying about purchasing his boss' company...the company that never came close to $250,000.00 in net receipts. (the magical number that would've caused a 3% tax increase on anything over the 1/4 million).

He's not a licensed plumber, rather, a plumber's helper.



Can you imagine working for Joan the Baker? Her employees...assuming she really has any....have no healthcare. I've been in a lot of bakeries, and I'm guessing she has family at the counter, or some part time high school kids.

Just as we saw with JTP...she has no point. She got her face on t.v., and didn't have the brains to concoct a valid script.

[John Galt]

Her bakery is called "Flourchylde Bakery", in Novato Ca.


Careful if you choose to research her....evidently she's a hot topic, and I encountered an attempted virus attack on one of the unrated sites.

From the reviews, she's an excellent baker. I don't wish to go into the positive/negative aspects of the reviews, but more than one customer described it as a husband/wife operation. He sells, she bakes. They do farmers markets too.

One review tells of a braindead girl behind the counter...perhaps a daughter?

Another funny one mentions that republicans/conservatives can eat there, but liberals should get their food to go.



So....where are all of these employees? Who does she have workman's comp on?