Students must learn about other religions: judge

[Moby]

This is Canada and not the USA but would want your kids to learn about other religions? I want mine to.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1956333

MONTREAL -- Christian parents who objected to their children being taught about other religions in a mandatory new Quebec school course have suffered a serious setback with a ruling this week that the teachings do not infringe their religious freedoms.

Quebec Superior Court Justice Jean-Guy Dubois dismissed a bid by parents in Drummondville, Que., who said the course on ethics and religious culture introduced across the province last year was undermining their efforts to instill Christian faith in their children.

"In light of all the evidence presented, the court does not see how the ... course limits the plaintiff's freedom of conscience and of religion for the children when it provides an overall presentation of various religions without obliging the children to adhere to them," Judge Dubois wrote.

The course was controversial even before instruction began last September. During the year there were protest marches in some cities, and about 1,700 parents asked that their children be exempted from attending the class. All such requests were refused.

The course's introduction was the final step in the secularization of Quebec schooling that began with a 1997 constitutional amendment replacing denominational school boards with linguistic ones.

As of last year, parents no longer had the right to choose between courses in Catholic, Protestant or moral instruction. The new curriculum covers a broad range of world religions, with particular emphasis on Quebec's religious heritage -- Catholicism, Protestantism, Judaism and aboriginal spirituality. It is taught from Grade 1 through Grade 11.

The course's scope was too broad for the parents in the Drummondville case, who cannot be named because their two minor children are involved. During the trial, the children's mother testified that she did not see why her 7-year-old son needs to learn about Islam when he is still forming his own Catholic spirituality. "It's very confusing," she said.

In his ruling, Judge Dubois cited a Catholic theologian who testified that religious instruction is primarily the responsibility of parents, not schools. He added that there is a commitment on the part of the Catholic church to understand other religions.

The Quebec government, which intervened in the case in support of the Des Chênes school board, argued that the course was objective and in no way limited parents' ability to pass their religious beliefs on to their children. Teaching children about other religions is a way to promote "equality, respect and tolerance in the Quebec school system," it said.

Sébastien Lebel-Grenier, a law professor at Université de Sherbrooke, said he is not surprised that the new course survived a challenge under the Charter of Rights.

"What parents were demanding was the right to ignorance, the right to protect their children from being exposed to the existence of other religions," he said. "This right to ignorance is certainly not protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Freedom of religion does not protect the right not to know what is going on in our universe."

He said the course is aimed not at instilling religious values but at trying "to explain to these children the diversity in which we now live in Quebec."

Richard Décarie, spokesman for a coalition opposed to the course, said the decision is a major disappointment. He believes there are grounds for an appeal, but he is not sure the parents involved can afford additional legal expenses. He said they have already spent close to $100,000 fighting the case.

"The course shouldn't be compulsory, because it changes completely how parents keep their moral authority over the education of their children," said Mr. Décarie, of the Coalition for Freedom in Education. "We're not talking about mathematics or French or English here. We're talking about something that involves the essence of the culture of people."

Two other challenges of the course are before the courts, with decisions expected this fall. Parents in Granby went to court after their children were suspended from school for failing to attend ethics and religious culture class. Montreal's Loyola High School, a private Jesuit school, has challenged the course, arguing that it obliges the school to put all religions on equal footing. The school says it already teaches world religions to its students.

National Post

[SeniorChief]

This is Canada and not the USA but would want your kids to learn about other religions? I want mine to.



Here's a suggestion - teach them youself, vs. what public schools want to plant in their minds.

Boy, what a concept! Be a parent!

[Captain Obvious]

Here's a suggestion - teach them youself, vs. what public schools want to plant in their minds.

Boy, what a concept! Be a parent!

I agree with assclown.

The whole religion in the school system, 10 commandments in the courthouse - it's all fucking fluff.

I don't need to see the 10 commandments at the courthouse when I'm down there (I don't think I've ever been there actually) to reassure my religious beliefs, so fuck it - take them out and keep all the douchebags who want to put a koran, manorah and all that other shit there. It's a fucking courthouse, not a shrine.

Same for religion in school. Teach the concepts (including evolution), not the beliefs. If you want your fucking kids to worship God, or Buddah, or the fucking hail bopp comet, then teach them that shit yourself.

[SeniorChief]

If you want your fucking kids to worship God, or Buddah, or the fucking hail bopp comet, then teach them that shit yourself.

I agree with you douchebag, 100%

[Moby]

Here's a suggestion - teach them youself, vs. what public schools want to plant in their minds.

Boy, what a concept! Be a parent!
From the man that lived most of his adult life doing what he's told and not having any of the same worries the rest of us share.

To me learning about religion is no different than social studies, history, government or English literature. It all has some slants and twists. The trick is teaching your kids to NOT take everything at face value. Something that Fox News listeners should understand.

[SeniorChief]

From the man that lived most of his adult life doing what he's told and not having any of the same worries the rest of us share.


Is that the way you feel about all service members, or are you simply personally attacking me and my family? The latter is in violation of the rules of this forum, so if this is the case, I expect you’ll be banning yourself in short order.

Unfortunately, if that is the way you feel about all service personnel whom you suggest don’t have “the same worries the rest of us share,” then - in addition to banning yourself - I might suggest you apologize to that entire military community and their families. Or try the Air Force, or the Navy on a pier some morning.

Your stupid little porno-infested pro-Muslim mind cannot even begin to conceptualize what a military family faces day in and day out.

And should this be your belief – I suggest you make that statement to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.

Please make sure you tell us when/where this will occur so I can videotape you attempting to remove your molars from your ass.

Better yet, forget it – you're a nutless wonder and I don't expect you to speak publicly with your views - ever. Commies like you hide-in-a-basement.

Just carry on with your normal life, teaching your children about the Muslim religion the Koran, and reading Mein Kampf.

A true piece of shit you are.

[disrupter]

But that will break down all the superstitious mystic seduction.

OMG! It could cause critical thinking! :noway:

I sure hope they don't have them examine atheism &/or agnosticism,

i like being the member of a small, elite, enlightened few.

Then i won't be able to be smugly better than everyone else, damn!

[SeniorChief]

Hey shitbrain - post #6 - time to "man up" porn king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGEnKh0ocb0&NR=1

What's the date, location, time of your big debut with military families who have never shared the same hardships as your dumbfuck Liberal ass?

Short of that - ignore this, you Fucking Nutless Wonder.

That'll be your new handle. Fucking Nutless Wonder.

The image of Glen Beck on your avatar is for sure your's at the moment. A whining little fat-fuck porn king, called out. Not a clue what to do.

Fucking anti-American, veteran hating, non-serving prick.

[Zebulon0351]

Hey shitbrain - post #6 - time to "man up" porn king.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGEnKh0ocb0&NR=1

What's the date, location, time of your big debut?

Short of that - ignore this, you Fucking Nutless Wonder.

That'll be your new handle. Fucking Nutless Wonder.

The image of Glen Beck on your avatar is for sure your's at the moment.

Fucking anti-American, veteran hating, non-serving prick.

What exactly was wrong with what SirMoby posted? How was it in any way "veteran hating"? He made an observation which was a pretty accurate statement concerning active-military personnel.

Were you ever worried about having enough money for your rent?

Were you ever worried about being able to pay for your and your family's health insurance?

Were you ever worried about being laid off from your job?

Were you ever worried about not being able to put food on your kids' table? Or clothes on their back?


Now how about replying to the rest of his post?

To me learning about religion is no different than social studies, history, government or English literature. It all has some slants and twists. The trick is teaching your kids to NOT take everything at face value. Something that Fox News listeners should understand.

[SeniorChief]

What exactly was wrong with what SirMoby posted? How was it in any way "veteran hating"? He made an observation which was a pretty accurate statement concerning active-military personnel.

Were you ever worried about having enough money for your rent?

Were you ever worried about being able to pay for your and your family's health insurance?

Were you ever worried about being laid off from your job?

Were you ever worried about not being able to put food on your kids' table? Or clothes on their back?


Now how about replying to the rest of his post?

Stay out of it, you non-combative Admin puke.

And please spare us of your bullshit combat resume.

If you back this clown, you're as fucked in the head as he is.

He's a big boy (so he feels) - I am sure he can answer on his own.

So please butt the fuck out bootcamp.

[Zebulon0351]

Stay out of it, you non-combative Admin puke.

He's a big boy (so he feels) - I am sure he can answer on his own.

:lmao2: :lmao2: The sailor who spent his career on a ship is calling a grunt a "non-combative Admin puke"

You're too funny man.

[Captain Obvious]

What exactly was wrong with what SirMoby posted? How was it in any way "veteran hating"? He made an observation which was a pretty accurate statement concerning active-military personnel.

Were you ever worried about having enough money for your rent?

Were you ever worried about being able to pay for your and your family's health insurance?

Were you ever worried about being laid off from your job?

Were you ever worried about not being able to put food on your kids' table? Or clothes on their back?


Now how about replying to the rest of his post?

I'll answer this on behalf of Senior Queef:

a) Mom doesn't charge rent to stay in the den.
b) Health insurance is for pussies, just work the ER for coverage.
c) More worried about being caught jerking off in the stockroom at Sheetz.
d) Fuck 'em, necessity breeds instinct. Besides, those chicken franks in the freezer are mine.

[SeniorChief]

I am going out on a limb here, but perhaps he's taken the last several hours off to pleasure himself.

I am sure he'll be back once he's washed off/in his bathrobe/panties.

[SeniorChief]

Yo Zeb - same challenge to you as your butt-buddy SM --

"I suggest you make that statement (USE HIS EXACT COMMENTS ZEB) to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.

Please make sure you tell us when/where this will occur so I can videotape you attempting to remove your molars from your ass."

Now I have two events this summer/fall to attend to.

Thanks guys/he-she's/whatever....

[foxbaron]

Read in between the lines in the quote, I can't figure out how to highlight my comments or make them bold. Crap!


What exactly was wrong with what SirMoby posted? How was it in any way "veteran hating"? He made an observation which was a pretty accurate statement concerning active-military personnel.

What statement? That he had to follow orders? That is how the military works. You learn to follow orders, you learn to give orders and you expect others to carry them out when directed to do so. It is called order and discipline. Surely you of all people know that.

Were you ever worried about having enough money for your rent?
Possibly he was. The military either provides housing or gives a housing allowance for families. Question is how much, what type of hopusing was available and whether or not the family lived on post.

Were you ever worried about being able to pay for your and your family's health insurance?

Probably not because the military provides health care services to members families, as it should be. No different than having a health plan through your employer.

Were you ever worried about being laid off from your job?
Most likely not. It is hard to find people willing to leave home for months at a time and risk their lives for their country. This is why we have an all volunteer military now because most Americans don't have the balls to serve their country.

Were you ever worried about not being able to put food on your kids' table? Or clothes on their back?

Probably. Food is food. Parts is parts. Depends I guess on what the family usually eats but I recall there were a lot of military families that were applying for food stamps recently while their husbands and wives were over in Iraq and Afghanistan. This country couldn't even feed the families of the guys that we sent over there? What kind of crap is that. AT the least, any member assigned overseas in a combat zone out to be able to have their family stop by the chow hall on base and get a meal if they need it. It is the least we could do for them.

Now how about replying to the rest of his post?
Religion is a personal decision. There is nothing wrong with teaching that other religions exist but I think the problem is no one knows if the kids are just being exposed to other religions or is someone attempting to recruit them.

[SeniorChief]

Silence by both (SM and “Zebby”) speaks volumes.

SM – I figured you’re just a puss. Typical.

Thanks for confirming asshole.

Show up in a Navy/Army/Air Force Family Services Center with that viewpoint, prepare yourself for a little anxiety stimulation.

Zeb - how you could side with a scumbag like this “Sir” Moby faggot only tells me this.

You’re a fucking fraud.

You know it. I know it.

I can smell assholes like you 10 miles away.

Sleep well Gomer.

[Cookie]

What exactly was wrong with what SirMoby posted? How was it in any way "veteran hating"? He made an observation which was a pretty accurate statement concerning active-military personnel.

Were you ever worried about having enough money for your rent?

Were you ever worried about being able to pay for your and your family's health insurance?

Were you ever worried about being laid off from your job?

Were you ever worried about not being able to put food on your kids' table? Or clothes on their back?


Now how about replying to the rest of his post?

I wouldn't say everyone in the military is free from those worries...some have difficulty finding affordable housing that is decent, etc.

But even if they do have financial security, think about what they give up in exchange. Personal freedom. Freedom to come and go as they please. Freedom to travel as they please; time off to visit family when they need it and so forth. Even freedom to wear regular clothing whenever they want. It's not a cake walk by any means.


Concerning teaching religion in public school, with all there is for kids to learn and understand, taking precious time out of the curriculum to teach something that is, according to you, bunk, is a tragic, irrecoverable waste of time.

Religion, in keeping with separation of church and state, should be taught in our churches, synagogues, mosques, and homes. Period.
________
Og kush marijuana (http://trichomes.org/marijuana-strains/og-kush)

[gOd]

I am going out on a limb here, but perhaps he's taken the last several hours off to pleasure himself.

I am sure he'll be back once he's washed off/in his bathrobe/panties.
This from a "man" who saunters around adorned with a tiara while wearing embroidered robes. Seriously, Chiefypoo, your avatar has Castro District written all over it.

[foxbaron]

This from a "man" who saunters around adorned with a tiara while wearing embroidered robes. Seriously, Chiefypoo, your avatar has Castro District written all over it.

Okay Chief, time to go back to your original avatar.

[gOd]

Okay Chief, time to go back to your original avatar.
Is that the one with the big phallic symbol hanging out of his mouth? Oh, the irony!

[Zebulon0351]

Yo Zeb - same challenge to you as your butt-buddy SM --

"I suggest you make that statement (USE HIS EXACT COMMENTS ZEB) to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.

Please make sure you tell us when/where this will occur so I can videotape you attempting to remove your molars from your ass."

Now I have two events this summer/fall to attend to.

Thanks guys/he-she's/whatever....


He didn't say military has any worries. Military families have worries that go way beyond the worries a regular civilian would have.

Silence by both (SM and “Zebby”) speaks volumes.

SM – I figured you’re just a puss. Typical.

Thanks for confirming asshole.

Show up in a Navy/Army/Air Force Family Services Center with that viewpoint, prepare yourself for a little anxiety stimulation.

Zeb - how you could side with a scumbag like this “Sir” Moby faggot only tells me this.

You’re a fucking fraud.

You know it. I know it.

I can smell assholes like you 10 miles away.

Sleep well Gomer.

Guess what asswipe? Unlike you, I have a life outside of in front of my computer. And the guy who is calling me the fraud is the same person who tried to convince this board that he was waterboarded during SAR school.

And I AM THE FRAUD?

Dumbass.

[Moby]

Silence by both (SM and “Zebby”) speaks volumes.
Are you insane? Do you really take this board that seriously?

Some people have lives outside of this board. I know that you and few of your nutso buddies tend to ignore that fact but some of us don't take this board very seriously and do other things.

You're not that important and if this board is so important to you that you think people should respond to your posts within a few hours than you need help. Serious help.

[Captain Obvious]

Are you insane? Do you really take this board that seriously?

Some people have lives outside of this board. I know that you and few of your nutso buddies tend to ignore that fact but some of us don't take this board very seriously and do other things.

You're not that important and if this board is so important to you that you think people should respond to your posts within a few hours than you need help. Serious help.

Yeah, speaking of...

I fucking PM'd you like a fucking week ago.

Thanks for getting back to me, dickweed.

[Moby]

Is that the way you feel about all service members, or are you simply personally attacking me and my family?
Where did I personally attack you and why are you so sensitive about it when you spend most of your time here attacking others? Dish it out but can't take it?


You did choose a life where many decisions are made for you, didn't you?
You did have food, shelter and health care provided for you, didn't you?
Don't you benefit from tax payer funded programs when purchasing a home, getting a business load, healthcare and even food and services?

If I'm wrong about those items than please provide a concise and reasonable response. I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong. Are you?

Now, maybe you chose this life style because you wanted to serve your country. Maybe you chose it because you wanted out of whatever small town you were in. Maybe you didn't have a choice because you lacked the skills needed to make it in our society. I've known people to choose your path for all those reasons but I don't know your reason.

I have never questioned your reasons for making the choice that you made. I'm quite happy that some people do make that choice and I'm fine with providing the services that you receive in return.

But all this talk about Socialism who has lived a life where the government has provided far more services than almost all Americans is very hypocritical. You never need to worry about getting healthcare for you kids. You spent most of your adult life never having to worry about a roof over your head and buying food. It was in your package. You do as you are told, don't ask questions and in return you get these services. It's a good deal for everyone.

While I certainly never had the same worries that you did, you most certainly have never had the same worries that most Americans have. Isn't it time you understand that?

[Moby]

I wouldn't say everyone in the military is free from those worries...some have difficulty finding affordable housing that is decent, etc.

But even if they do have financial security, think about what they give up in exchange. Personal freedom. Freedom to come and go as they please. Freedom to travel as they please; time off to visit family when they need it and so forth. Even freedom to wear regular clothing whenever they want. It's not a cake walk by any means.
I"m not trying to take away from the man's services. I'm happy to provide him with all those government services that he gets in return for doing as he's told.

I'm just pointing out that in return for his not asking questions and doing as he's told that he's received far more in government programs than most Americans.

If you want to debate weather it's a good or not than that's another issue.

[disrupter]

Senior Chief will never be accused of thinking outside the box,

he actually prefers smaller & smaller boxes.

His current working 'world' diorama is inside a matchbox. That is why all his thinking is so pyro.

the ultimate police state, a singularity without any options.

[SeniorChief]

Totally dodging the challenge I see, playing dumbfuck Mr. Innocent.

How fucking predictable Sir Dickhead. But I have to agree with you, I'd keep those sentiments about the military and their families hidden behind a keyboard too! Good way to get your teeth kicked in out in the real world.

You're a proven nutless wonder hiding-in-a-basement. Congrats for proving my point.

Come on up sometime on to teach your children about the Muslim religion the Koran, and Mein Kampf.

A true piece of shit/idiot you are.

[John Galt]

This course of study will be required from the time kids begin school, until they graduate highschool?

That's a lot of years, with a lot of different teachers giving the courses. How can they find teachers that will be open minded? Perhaps agnostics should teach the course.

As long as they address atheism, agnostics, and those other "mystic" religions/belief systems, I don't really see any harm.

However, as the kids age, and they begin to ask big questions/make bold assessments....they'd better not be reprimanded for having formed strong opinions.


At the very least, they might learn of the hypocrisy of virtually every "accepted" religion.

[Moby]

Yeah, speaking of...

I fucking PM'd you like a fucking week ago.

Thanks for getting back to me, dickweed.
Wasn't sure what type of responc you wanted from the accusations that you made about another board member. Sorry Dick Weed.

[Moby]

Totally dodging the challenge I see, playing dumbfuck Mr. Innocent.
What challenge?

Why is wanting my children to be educated a bad thing?

[SeniorChief]

What challenge?



This challenge, stupido.

"I suggest you make that statement to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.

Please make sure you tell us when/where this will occur so I can videotape you attempting to remove your molars from your ass."

The one you dodged/deflected from earlier.

Would you like me to post it in Arabic for you? Maybe then you'll comprehend.

You said this to me - "From the man that lived most of his adult life doing what he's told and not having any of the same worries the rest of us share."

Go say it to the families and soldiers as I have challenged you to do.

Here it is, re-written for you for a group setting,

"You Soldiers on this tarmac live most of your adult life doing what you're told and not having any of the same worries the rest of us share."

Date, time, location.

I wouldn't miss it.

[slowhand]

Is that the way you feel about all service members, or are you simply personally attacking me and my family? The latter is in violation of the rules of this forum, so if this is the case, I expect you’ll be banning yourself in short order.

Unfortunately, if that is the way you feel about all service personnel whom you suggest don’t have “the same worries the rest of us share,” then - in addition to banning yourself - I might suggest you apologize to that entire military community and their families. Or try the Air Force, or the Navy on a pier some morning.

Your stupid little porno-infested pro-Muslim mind cannot even begin to conceptualize what a military family faces day in and day out.

And should this be your belief – I suggest you make that statement to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.

Please make sure you tell us when/where this will occur so I can videotape you attempting to remove your molars from your ass.

Better yet, forget it – you're a nutless wonder and I don't expect you to speak publicly with your views - ever. Commies like you hide-in-a-basement.

Just carry on with your normal life, teaching your children about the Muslim religion the Koran, and reading Mein Kampf.

A true piece of shit you are.

Hey Lead bottom...Did they find them WMD's yet?

[slowhand]

This from a "man" who saunters around adorned with a tiara while wearing embroidered robes. Seriously, Chiefypoo, your avatar has Castro District written all over it.

He looks like a refugee from the movie "Birdcage" :lmao2:

[slowhand]

Where did I personally attack you and why are you so sensitive about it when you spend most of your time here attacking others? Dish it out but can't take it?

You did choose a life where many decisions are made for you, didn't you?
You did have food, shelter and health care provided for you, didn't you?
Don't you benefit from tax payer funded programs when purchasing a home, getting a business load, healthcare and even food and services?If I'm wrong about those items than please provide a concise and reasonable response. I'm open to the fact that I could be wrong. Are you?

Now, maybe you chose this life style because you wanted to serve your country. Maybe you chose it because you wanted out of whatever small town you were in. Maybe you didn't have a choice because you lacked the skills needed to make it in our society. I've known people to choose your path for all those reasons but I don't know your reason.

I have never questioned your reasons for making the choice that you made. I'm quite happy that some people do make that choice and I'm fine with providing the services that you receive in return.

But all this talk about Socialism who has lived a life where the government has provided far more services than almost all Americans is very hypocritical. You never need to worry about getting healthcare for you kids. You spent most of your adult life never having to worry about a roof over your head and buying food. It was in your package. You do as you are told, don't ask questions and in return you get these services. It's a good deal for everyone.

While I certainly never had the same worries that you did, you most certainly have never had the same worries that most Americans have. Isn't it time you understand that?

Excellent point!!..Mama govt..That is the closest thing to Socialism in this country in a round about way

[Moby]

"I suggest you make that statement to a couple hundred Army families on a tarmac kissing their loved ones goodbye in preparation for a six month deployment.
Why, are they making the stupid comments that you're making? :confused:

Dude, if you're not getting benefit of more government programs than the average American than let's talk about it.

[SeniorChief]

[/B]

He looks like a refugee from the movie "Birdcage" :lmao2:

It appears "Lassie" has let go a six inch "steamer" into your mouth and you are sucking and drawing on the opposite end of where it was pinched off.

Taste good?

[slowhand]

It appears "Lassie" has let go a six inch "steamer" into your mouth and you are sucking and drawing on the opposite end of where it was pinched off.

Taste good?

http://i28.tinypic.com/i4i7a1.jpg

Here Gilligan..Take a closer look..Its a fucking cigar..Take it and stick the lit end up your fucking giggy :lmao2:

[SeniorChief]

Why, are they making the stupid comments that you're making? [/B]

Thanks for dodging the challenge - yet again.

I'll try it in Arabic next time. Obvioulsy you're too fucking stupid to comprehend English, or you simply lack a set of nuts.

Which is it?

Probably a little of both.

[Binky]

I would think, one could learn of them on their own without a judge or president or anyone telling you to go do it or whatever.

I remember, eons ago, in another lifetime, I was attending cosmetology school and a classmate was catholic and she wanted me to attend mass with her. I am protestant/baptist and had never been to a catholic church. So I agreed to go with her. I mentioned it to my mom and she asked me why I wanted to go, since we were not catholic. I told her I just wanted to experience one time what it was like to go to mass and listen to the priest.

So off I went to meet my friend. I had remembered to take a scarf for my head. I was very nervous as this was a whole new thing to me. As we sat in a pew, the parishioners each got up and went to a "sink" and sprinkled water on themselves. I did not. And since I did not know Latin, I could not understand a single word the priest was saying.

Anyway, it was my one and only time of ever going to a catholic church. And there was another opportunity for me to go with yet another friend to her church, which was not of my religion, but one that spoke in tongues. Now that was a very strange experience if ever I had one. Some individuals just started speaking in a wierd and strange way that I had never heard before. Rather like a foreign language only more irratic. They began writhing around in their seats or on the floor. Sort of reminded me of demons taking control of ones body. The whole thing was so strange it made a lifelong imprint on my mind. I never went to another of those.

The whole point is, one has numerous choices that can be made without the gov't, or a judge telling us how to make them or that we should. I was 16-19 years old at the time, and I had made the conscience decision to experience those religions, on my own, without any help from anyone. True, I never went back. And true I was adult enough and a free thinker with an open mind, to form my own opinion all by myself.

[SeniorChief]

The whole point is, one has numerous choices that can be made without the gov't, or a judge telling us how to make them or that we should.

Exactly. And parents have countless opportunities to do so as well. And there are MANY good parents.

Conversely, there are many nut jobs (some in this thread) who think it's the governments responsibility to do everything for them - from wiping their ass - to teaching their children about Allah.

(And that sink, by the way, was a baptismal font, full of holy water... LOL!)

[MintJulep]

The whole point is, one has numerous choices that can be made without the gov't, or a judge telling us how to make them or that we should. I was 16-19 years old at the time, and I had made the conscience decision to experience those religions, on my own, without any help from anyone. True, I never went back. And true I was adult enough and a free thinker with an open mind, to form my own opinion all by myself.What you seem to forget is some people are too lazy to get out of a shower of rain -- let alone form their own opinions and prefer the gubmint do it for them. Take, for instance, the hurricane debacle in New Orleans. It was as if some expected the govt to come to each door and lead them by the hand to safety. This is after a category 5 hurricane sat spinning in the gulf for a WEEK.

That said, I liken a life of socialism to the life of a dog. You have food, water and shelter supplied to you, but don't you ever think about leaving past the yard...

Sorry I went off on a tangent. :D

[Zebulon0351]

Some people in New Orleans had no way to get out of the city. Some people have never left New Orleans their entire lives. Quit acting as if an entire city can really be evacuated in just a few days' notice even if everyone had the ability and the funds to get out in the first place.

[MintJulep]

Some people in New Orleans had no way to get out of the city. Some people have never left New Orleans their entire lives. Quit acting as if an entire city can really be evacuated in just a few days' notice even if everyone had the ability and the funds to get out in the first place.All you need to do in a hurricane is get to higher ground and usually that isn't a long distance. If I knew a category 5 was headed in my direction, five days in advance, I'd walk to higher ground if I had to.

[Moby]

Thanks for dodging the challenge - yet again.

I'll try it in Arabic next time. Obvioulsy you're too fucking stupid to comprehend English, or you simply lack a set of nuts.

Which is it?

Probably a little of both.
The challenge you've given me is a little more difficult than the challenage that I've given you. All you have to do is type for a few minutes and of course the tricky part, think for yourself.

[Binky]

What you seem to forget is some people are too lazy to get out of a shower of rain -- let alone form their own opinions and prefer the gubmint do it for them. Take, for instance, the hurricane debacle in New Orleans. It was as if some expected the govt to come to each door and lead them by the hand to safety. This is after a category 5 hurricane sat spinning in the gulf for a WEEK.

That said, I liken a life of socialism to the life of a dog. You have food, water and shelter supplied to you, but don't you ever think about leaving past the yard...

Sorry I went off on a tangent. :D


:lmao2: You quite often do LL.....and maybe you're correct in that respect. Some just can't seem to get their heads on straight and figure out for themselves how to say, "no thank you, I can do this by myself, without a nanny to assist me." And yep, it was pitiful that those in dior need, didn't have the wherewithall to come in out of the storm, so to speak, and take refuge elsewhere, before the shit finally hit the fan.

And maybe it is a tad better to be in socialism than to live a life as a dog and not be able to ponder on doing anything else.

Truthfully LL, from one American to another, I hope we never have to experience the difference, first hand, between the two.

[Zebulon0351]

All you need to do in a hurricane is get to higher ground and usually that isn't a long distance. If I knew a category 5 was headed in my direction, five days in advance, I'd walk to higher ground if I had to.

Oh.. like that elevated bridge a bunch of people were stranded on for days?

Great idea! And in case you didn't know, New Orleans is a city built below sea level. And one more thing:

There aren't many mountains in in Louisiana.

[SeniorChief]

Some people in New Orleans had no way to get out of the city

The mayor and governor had no difficulty getting out

[Zebulon0351]

The mayor and governor had no difficulty getting out

As usual, you don't have a point.

[Binky]

Exactly. And parents have countless opportunities to do so as well. And there are MANY good parents.

Conversely, there are many nut jobs (some in this thread) who think it's the governments responsibility to do everything for them - from wiping their ass - to teaching their children about Allah.

(And that sink, by the way, was a baptismal font, full of holy water... LOL!)


:lmao2: Thanks Chief. I knew the name of it, but for some silly reason, I just couldn't think of it at the time. And yes, duh, I knew it was holy water. :lmao2: I may be a bit niave in some respects, but, alas, that was not one of them.....:D

And yes, there are millions of great parents out there. Many of which I have met, BTW. On the other hand, there are those that tend to bury themselves in apathy and just don't care enough to teach their young. Or are too dumb themselves to know how.....:(

[Zebulon0351]

And yes, there are millions of great parents out there. Many of which I have met, BTW. On the other hand, there are those that tend to bury themselves in apathy and just don't care enough to teach their young. Or are too dumb themselves to know how.....:(

I know the argument is "I shouldn't take the responsibility of raising another person's kids" But if we all agree the parents today are too dumb to do it, what exactly are we doing to be sure those kids don't become the very parents we keep bitching about?

[John Galt]

Oh.. like that elevated bridge a bunch of people were stranded on for days?

Great idea! And in case you didn't know, New Orleans is a city built below sea level. And one more thing:

There aren't many mountains in in Louisiana.
As well, it wasn't the storm, but the breach of the dams that caused the problems in N.O..

[MintJulep]

Oh.. like that elevated bridge a bunch of people were stranded on for days? Oh, the media circus? Those on the bridge were there because they stayed behind. The storm sat in the gulf for five days. FIVE. A category five hurricane. Anyone who lives in a hurricane zone knows the dangers and knows you have to get out.

Great idea! And in case you didn't know, New Orleans is a city built below sea level. And one more thing:Even more reason to get out.

There aren't many mountains in in Louisiana.It's not necessary to climb a mountain to get to higher ground.

[doctordog]

I know the argument is "I shouldn't take the responsibility of raising another person's kids" But if we all agree the parents today are too dumb to do it, what exactly are we doing to be sure those kids don't become the very parents we keep bitching about?

Damn you have abortion, what other immoral law do you want?;)

[Zebulon0351]

Damn you have abortion, what other immoral law do you want?;)

Immoral? How is it immoral to help provide opportunities to people we know will not amount to shit if we don't? Feel free to keep bitching about the problem, but bitching about it will never fix anything.

[foxbaron]

I know the argument is "I shouldn't take the responsibility of raising another person's kids" But if we all agree the parents today are too dumb to do it, what exactly are we doing to be sure those kids don't become the very parents we keep bitching about?


Which is exactly why we should do away with the foster care system and go back to orphanages. Some people are just too stupid to be allowed to breed and should have their kids taken away before they destroy them.

And if this idea bothers you that much get your butt up off your couch and go on down to your local orphange and adopt a kid.

Back when they had orphanages they were mostly run by the local churches or the local community. They didn't get a whole lot of state or federal grants.

At least it gave the kids a safe place to be, food and shelter, order and discipline and an education so they could assimilate as adults and be productive citizens.

It gave them a chance at life they evidently don't get at home these days.

[Zebulon0351]

Which is exactly why we should do away with the foster care system and go back to orphanages. Some people are just too stupid to be allowed to breed and should have their kids taken away before they destroy them.

And if this idea bothers you that much get your butt up off your couch and go on down to your local orphange and adopt a kid.

Back when they had orphanages they were mostly run by the local churches or the local community. They didn't get a whole lot of state or federal grants.

At least it gave the kids a safe place to be, food and shelter, order and discipline and an education so they could assimilate as adults and be productive citizens.

It gave them a chance at life they evidently don't get at home these days.


Great idea! Let's just warehouse our kids.

Great idea dumbas.

[SeniorChief]

As usual, you don't have a point.

As usual - you're a gay ass-fuck.

What part of the governor and the mayor got out post-haste (fact) do you have difficulty swallowing, cum-gurgler?

'Tis a documented fact - ass fucker.