FOXBARON - An old mans rants

[foxbaron]

CONGRESS- PUBLIC SERVANTS OR ROYALTY?


The members of Congress are so completely out of touch with the American people that it's almost time for another American Revolution.

If the laws they passed affected them as much as it does the average citizen than perhaps "we the people" would have their undivided attention.

Few of them have ever served or have a family member serving in the armed services of the United States.

After two stints in Congress they are eligible for full retirement benefits. Wish I could get full retirement benefits after such a short time of service.

They get the best medical care available in the world at no cost to them and it goes with them into retirement.

They get a raise whenever they decide they need one regardless of what you, their boss, thinks. They don't bother to ask the boss for a raise; wish I could do that.

They can take a trip anywhere in the world, along with spouse and family, and we pay for it. I call it a vacation, they call it a fact finding tour and you can bet they don't stay at Motel 6.

Once elected they don't concern themselves with what they can do for their constituents, unless they are big contributors, they are concerned with getting reelected anyway possible.

Although term limits seem to be a great idea the downside is that if a good guy actually gets in we can't keep him in.

How about the following qualifications to be a U.S. Congressman.

1. Must have served a minimum of two years in the United States Military. This way they will actually have an idea what it is like to be lonely, cold, scared to death and depending on your teammates to keep you alive. It will give them an idea what it's like to be underpaid, unappreciated and under fire. Maybe they will come to understand that moral support is just as important as fiscal support. Maybe they will come to understand that death is a permanent condition and that honoring those that make that sacrifice is important, very important, not only to the family, but also to the nation. Maybe they will come to understand that those who return as wounded warriors need our support, unconditionally. There should be nothing, absolutely nothing, that this nation should not be willing to do for these warriors.

2. Every law they pass must have a direct result to them and their pocketbook too. They must live under the same laws and regulations they pass. All laws must apply to Congress too.

3. No pension unless they serve 25-30 years, just like everybody else. Or, better yet no pension whatsoever so there is no incentive to stick around that long.

4. Any junkets they go on, they go alone. No family members. Plus they must make a report to all their constituents the reason for it, what they accomplished and an accounting of all funds spent.

5. No more immunity from arrest while Congress is in session. They screw up, they get taken down. They can't make it to work because they are in jail, we fire them.

6. Each State buys an official residence for all the Congressmen, that is funded by the States, and we don't have to listen to them cry about having to spend money on two residences. At some point the place will get paid off and it will be an asset of the State.

There are a lot more I can think of and I may add later but right now the thought of these people is giving me a very large pain I have to deal with.

Excuse me for the moment I need to go get some Preparation H. I shall return at a later date.

[wayers57]

CONGRESS- PUBLIC SERVANTS OR ROYALTY?


The members of Congress are so completely out of touch with the American people that it's almost time for another American Revolution.

If the laws they passed affected them as much as it does the average citizen than perhaps "we the people" would have their undivided attention.

Few of them have ever served or have a family member serving in the armed services of the United States.

After two stints in Congress they are eligible for full retirement benefits. Wish I could get full retirement benefits after such a short time of service.

They get the best medical care available in the world at no cost to them and it goes with them into retirement.

They get a raise whenever they decide they need one regardless of what you, their boss, thinks. They don't bother to ask the boss for a raise; wish I could do that.

They can take a trip anywhere in the world, along with spouse and family, and we pay for it. I call it a vacation, they call it a fact finding tour and you can bet they don't stay at Motel 6.

Once elected they don't concern themselves with what they can do for their constituents, unless they are big contributors, they are concerned with getting reelected anyway possible.

Although term limits seem to be a great idea the downside is that if a good guy actually gets in we can't keep him in.

How about the following qualifications to be a U.S. Congressman.

1. Must have served a minimum of two years in the United States Military. This way they will actually have an idea what it is like to be lonely, cold, scared to death and depending on your teammates to keep you alive. It will give them an idea what it's like to be underpaid, unappreciated and under fire. Maybe they will come to understand that moral support is just as important as fiscal support. Maybe they will come to understand that death is a permanent condition and that honoring those that make that sacrifice is important, very important, not only to the family, but also to the nation. Maybe they will come to understand that those who return as wounded warriors need our support, unconditionally. There should be nothing, absolutely nothing, that this nation should not be willing to do for these warriors.

2. Every law they pass must have a direct result to them and their pocketbook too. They must live under the same laws and regulations they pass. All laws must apply to Congress too.

3. No pension unless they serve 25-30 years, just like everybody else. Or, better yet no pension whatsoever so there is no incentive to stick around that long.

4. Any junkets they go on, they go alone. No family members. Plus they must make a report to all their constituents the reason for it, what they accomplished and an accounting of all funds spent.

5. No more immunity from arrest while Congress is in session. They screw up, they get taken down. They can't make it to work because they are in jail, we fire them.

6. Each State buys an official residence for all the Congressmen, that is funded by the States, and we don't have to listen to them cry about having to spend money on two residences. At some point the place will get paid off and it will be an asset of the State.

There are a lot more I can think of and I may add later but right now the thought of these people is giving me a very large pain I have to deal with.

Excuse me for the moment I need to go get some Preparation H. I shall return at a later date.

How about no more than 2 terms? Then we always get fresh ideas instead of the same old ones.

I also think number 1 is over reaching a bit.

[foxbaron]

How about no more than 2 terms? Then we always get fresh ideas instead of the same old ones.

I also think number 1 is over reaching a bit.

Number 1 may well be the most important one. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes is a great education.

To expect others to serve when we ourselves have not is quite frankly unfair to those who have.

You don't necessarily have had to experienced combat to understand the military mindset and the espirit de corps amongst them. It is the experience of honor, duty, shared experiences, and knowing that you too, did your time in service to your country that matters.

It means you have a better understanding of what you are asking them to do when you decide to send them off to war. It also means that maybe you won't make this decision emotionally, but based on known facts at the time, and when you do in fact decide to commit the troops you will stand behind them 100% and there will be no question about funding what is necessary to get the job done.

[wayers57]

Number 1 may well be the most important one. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes is a great education.

To expect others to serve when we ourselves have not is quite frankly unfair to those who have.

You don't necessarily have had to experienced combat to understand the military mindset and the espirit de corps amongst them. It is the experience of honor, duty, shared experiences, and knowing that you too, did your time in service to your country that matters.

It means you have a better understanding of what you are asking them to do when you decide to send them off to war. It also means that maybe you won't make this decision emotionally, but based on known facts at the time, and when you do in fact decide to commit the troops you will stand behind them 100% and there will be no question about funding what is necessary to get the job done.

I see your point, but I think you risk everyone when you send people into the military that are unfit to serve.

[John Galt]

I think it should also be mandatory for all who run for office, to open their investment portfolios to the public.

That's the only way we can project exactly how they'll vote on the bigger issues.

No person should be in a position to vote on an issue that will increase their personal ROI.

[Bill Cosby]

I see your point, but I think you risk everyone when you send people into the military that are unfit to serve.

I agree w/ his sentiments but I agree that can be a troubling issue from many angles...

They must live under the same laws and regulations they pass. All laws must apply to Congress too.

I agree & they should have full disclosure...

I would also add that I would banish them from any & all lobbying once out of gov. For life.. Including consulting or advocating in any manner other than as matter of personal opinion & w/out any type of compensation. PERIOD

[foxbaron]

I agree w/ his sentiments but I agree that can be a troubling issue from many angles...



I agree & they should have full disclosure...

I would also add that I would banish them from any & all lobbying once out of gov. For life.. Including consulting or advocating in any manner other than as matter of personal opinion & w/out any type of compensation. PERIOD


I agree with ya. Matter of fact I would go so far as to say lobbyists should be prohibited. I think it is unfair that a person or organization that has the funds to hire lobbyists can influence our representatives when the average person can't afford a lobbyist. OR, at least require all members of Congress to publicly inform the nation of what lobbyists have approached them and what they wanted and what they offerred them for their vote. This full disclosure would probably end lobbyists by itself.

I also think the military has a way of sorting out those unfit to serve and if you were unfit to serve in our military then you should be unfit to serve as one of our elected representatives.

[Bill Cosby]

Zero lobbying except my citizens-- No corporations & such... One man/women one vote... No super citizens of any kind....

I am not opposed to ppl being in the service & thus elected but would not prefer having only to choose between those that have served...

I am essentially anti-militarist... Perhaps a compulsory gov service of some kind but one that is not necessarily connected to the military..

[foxbaron]

Okay, how about the following choices.

Military (Active Duty)
Military Reserves
Peace Corps
VISTA

Something that requires one to learn discipline, self-reliance, taking of orders, leadership and accountability for ones actions. A requirment to serve something bigger than yourself for several years.

[Bill Cosby]

Okay, how about the following choices.

Military (Active Duty)
Military Reserves
Peace Corps
VISTA

Something that requires one to learn discipline, self-reliance, taking of orders, leadership and accountability for ones actions. A requirment to serve something bigger than yourself for several years.

Excellent... :thumbsup:

I think one of the things you are getting @ is responsibility regarding pursuing war..... IMO no man, NONE should have the power to start a war... Regardless of what they wish to call it...

If congress is unwilling to declare war then there should be no war... If congress declares war then the President is commander & chief, not king...

They let bush start two wars they said would be a few billion & a few months...

[foxbaron]

Evere since WWII it seems as though we lost the willingness to win a war.

Korea became a stalemate, Vietnam a fiasco, and everything else has been a partial victory.

I agree that only Congress should declare war, it is their job. I also believe that the President needs the authoruty to commit troops, if neceassary, to protect our interests and national security but on a limited basis.

If the situation is such that a war is necessary than it is the duty of the President to stand before Congress and ask for a formal declaration of war and it is Congress who must make that ultimate decision.

If Congress issues that declaration of war than it is their duty to stand behind the President and our military leaders and give whatever they need to accomplish the job.

There can be no in between and no dissent. A committment to war is not just for our military members it is a committment of the entire nation to go to war and our entire nation should then go on a war footing similar to what we did in WWII. Everybody was affected. Everybody was involved. Everybody sacrificed. We came together as a nation and did what had to be done to achieve victory. There is no second place in war.

[disrupter]

Responsible Citizenship is not all a free lunch.

The stipulation is that we ALL should be required to do some stint of public service, either in the military or some kind of peace corps service domestically &/or overseas [if some other nation actually wants some assistance].
This might be really good in times of natural disasters, which happen regularly, probably with some required training ahead of time.

How can we ask congress to do something we don't ask of ourselves?

& it is dare i say silly to expect congress to monitor all of our interests, while we are completely oblivious to what is going on?
Pay attention, & voice your opinion on what you see. Even when you may feel uncertain you may be correct on an issue.

A graduated according-to-service-length pension sounds reasonable.

They should NEVER pass laws they have not read & reasonably understood.

No more laws WRITTEN BY THE LOBBYISTS THEMSELVES*. Only congress writes the laws, & is required to read them [including by staff], & with a required time window between the final draft & the actual vote.

These bills are thousands of pages that weigh pounds & measure a foot or more in height. With criss-crossing references.
An insider criminal's dream of how to hide their vile treachery in impossible to read & comprehend mind numbing complexity. That is how Washington is working for these criminals & against you, the actual, taxpaying American public.

Only voters of the corresponding district/region/nation should be allowed to contribute to their potential representative's campaign. Other's can run advertising, but NEVER give directly to a representative's campaign.

That is YOUR representative, not some special interest PAC's representative.

Nowhere in the constitution does it specify representation for special interests over those of the American people.

That would go a VERY long way to get congress people listening to actual voters/residents, instead of spending a reported 9/10ths of their time pandering to corrupting fat cats for money.

*Where the little blond bitch lobbyist gets on TV & brags how proud they are they wrote that legislation? Jesus Freaking Christ!

[foxbaron]

Good post Disrupter.

I agree.

Maybe all laws that get put up for a vote should be no longer than 20 pages in length and be understandable by the average high school student.

No criss crossing references allowed, they are too confusing.

How does you hold the citizen responsible for knowing, and following a law when they can't even understand it.

All laws need to be translated from legalese to common, understandable words. Ignorance of the law, SHOULD BE, an excuse.

No law should be open for interpretation. If it is then it should be rewritten so the common man can understand it and then be able to follow it.

Why does everything have to be so confusing to everybody all the time?

The sole purpose of the written word is to convey and idea or thought that can be understood by anyone, not just a select few.

[Binky]

Number 1 may well be the most important one. Walk a mile in someone elses shoes is a great education.

To expect others to serve when we ourselves have not is quite frankly unfair to those who have.

You don't necessarily have had to experienced combat to understand the military mindset and the espirit de corps amongst them. It is the experience of honor, duty, shared experiences, and knowing that you too, did your time in service to your country that matters.

It means you have a better understanding of what you are asking them to do when you decide to send them off to war. It also means that maybe you won't make this decision emotionally, but based on known facts at the time, and when you do in fact decide to commit the troops you will stand behind them 100% and there will be no question about funding what is necessary to get the job done.


Well, I loved both of these posts. I think number one is numero uno. Excellent! :thumbsup:

[disrupter]

The sole purpose of the written word is to convey and idea or thought that can be understood by anyone, not just a select few.

au, contraire mon cher

words are often used & designed to mislead or confuse

The laws are written in Byzantine style for a reason.

And that reason is corruption, which is & will be the ruin of this nation.

It is up to us to impose a rational, sensibility requirement upon the production of words.

[foxbaron]

OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS

Dear Members of Congress:

What is wrong with you folks? Why do you pass legislation you haven't read? Are you not supposed to repesent us? To do that it makes sense to me that you should at least have some clue as what you are voting on. Are we asking too much of you?

Why do you allow fellow members to come up with insane legislation and not call them on their stupidity? Need an example? How about the tax on bovine emmissions. Also known as "cow farts". Who is the dumb ass that came up with that one and why do you tolerate idiots like that in your midst. It makes the rest of you look like fools. Then again, evidently you all are because no one seems to say or do anything about it.

Tell me, would you guys have created a whole new federal department to track "cow farts" Maybe Obama would just appoint a "Cow Fart Czar" and cut you guys out of the process like he has with everything else.

How would this have been enforced? How did you guys plan on measuring this? Is there some sort of "fart" meter that can be attached to a cow's rear end that will count the number of farts? How many folks do you think would sign up for this duty? I know times are tough and jobs are scarce, but get real, will ya.

Maybe you could use federal prisoners for this duty. Would that be cruel and unusual?

Then where will you turn your attention? Are chickens next?, Horses, pigs, dogs, cats. Boy I'd love to see you guys try to measure a cat.

At what point will you get around to all of us too.

I think all you folks need to get into a different line of work and there is a good chance the rest of us may force you in that direction. We are getting tired of your emmissions, they stink too, but they are more dangerous than a "cow fart".

[Bill Cosby]

Evere since WWII it seems as though we lost the willingness to win a war.

Korea became a stalemate, Vietnam a fiasco, and everything else has been a partial victory.

I agree that only Congress should declare war, it is their job. I also believe that the President needs the authoruty to commit troops, if neceassary, to protect our interests and national security but on a limited basis.

If the situation is such that a war is necessary than it is the duty of the President to stand before Congress and ask for a formal declaration of war and it is Congress who must make that ultimate decision.

If Congress issues that declaration of war than it is their duty to stand behind the President and our military leaders and give whatever they need to accomplish the job.

There can be no in between and no dissent. A committment to war is not just for our military members it is a committment of the entire nation to go to war and our entire nation should then go on a war footing similar to what we did in WWII. Everybody was affected. Everybody was involved. Everybody sacrificed. We came together as a nation and did what had to be done to achieve victory. There is no second place in war.

Evere since WWII it seems as though we lost the willingness to win a war.

Well there is a reason for that, @least IMO.... It is that these were unjust wars launched on crazy caveats by small men playing a big mans game... Small in no way denote stature but rather a reflection on their grasp of the geopolitical atmosphere & history.. They choose to squander American lives & wealth for prestige, idealism & perhaps paranoid misconceptions...

to protect our interests

I believe I understand what you mean, but lesser men have taken this term as license to plunger, bully & exploit disadvantaged ppl's & nations. & to back it up w/ American force if need be... These "interests" have gone hand & foot w/ the military industrial complex & the result has been hegemony not harmony...

There can be no in between and no dissent.

I would never agree to no dissent under any circumstance- NONE!!! Even if I was totally for the war I strongly believe that those opposed should have a loud voice & should be heard----- Who knows they may be right & I wrong...:thumbsup:

There is no second place in war.

Personally I would not support any war that could not/did not meet the classic just war theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_War)..

IMO WW2 can perhaps be argued to be just.. Maybe (many of the actions on both sides fall well outside JUST) but certainly not Korea, Haiti, Iran, IraQ, Afghanistan, Guatemala, Chile, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Grenada etc.... This is just a partial list...

Criteria of Just War theory

Just War Theory has two sets of criteria. The first establishing jus ad bellum, the right to go to war; the second establishing jus in bello, right conduct within war.[9]

Just cause
The reason for going to war needs to be just and cannot therefore be solely for recapturing things taken or punishing people who have done wrong; innocent life must be in imminent danger and intervention must be to protect life. A contemporary view of just cause was expressed in 1993 when the US Catholic Conference said: "Force may be used only to correct a grave, public evil, i.e., aggression or massive violation of the basic human rights of whole populations."
Comparative justice
While there may be rights and wrongs on all sides of a conflict, to override the presumption against the use of force, the injustice suffered by one party must significantly outweigh that suffered by the other. Some theorists such as Brian Orend omit this term, seeing it as fertile ground for exploitation by bellicose regimes.
Legitimate authority
Only duly constituted public authorities may wage war.
Right intention
Force may be used only in a truly just cause and solely for that purpose—correcting a suffered wrong is considered a right intention, while material gain or maintaining economies is not.
Probability of success
Arms may not be used in a futile cause or in a case where disproportionate measures are required to achieve success;
Last resort
Force may be used only after all peaceful and viable alternatives have been seriously tried and exhausted or are clearly not practical. It may be clear that the other side is using negotiations as a delaying tactic and will not make meaningful concessions.
Proportionality
The anticipated benefits of waging a war must be proportionate to its expected evils or harms. This principle is also known as the principle of macro-proportionality, so as to distinguish it from the jus in bello principle of proportionality.

In modern terms just war is waged in terms of self defense or in defense of another with sufficient provocation. A nation could justifiably strike first in self defense or defense of an innocent third party.[citation needed]

[edit] Jus in bello

Once war has begun, just war theory also directs how combatants are to act:
(Jus in bello)

Distinction
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of distinction. The acts of war should be directed towards enemy combatants, and not towards non-combatants caught in circumstances they did not create. The prohibited acts include bombing civilian residential areas that include no military target and committing acts of terrorism or reprisal against ordinary civilians.

Proportionality
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of proportionality. An attack cannot be launched on a military objective in the knowledge that the incidental civilian injuries would be clearly excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage (principle of proportionality).

Military necessity
Just war conduct should be governed by the principle of minimum force. An attack or action must be intended to help in the military defeat of the enemy, it must be an attack on a military objective, and the harm caused to civilians or civilian property must be proportional and not excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. This principle is meant to limit excessive and unnecessary death and destruction.

[edit] Ending a war: Jus post bellum

In recent years, some theorists, such as Gary Bass, Louis Iasiello and Brian Orend, have proposed a third category within Just War theory. Jus post bellum concerns justice after a war, including peace treaties, reconstruction, war crimes trials, and war reparations. Orend, for instance, proposes the following principles:

Just cause for termination
A state may terminate a war if there has been a reasonable vindication of the rights that were violated in the first place, and if the aggressor is willing to negotiate the terms of surrender. These terms of surrender include a formal apology, compensations, war crimes trials and perhaps rehabilitation. Alternatively a state may end a war if it becomes clear that any just goals of the war cannot be reached at all or cannot be reached without using excessive force.
Right intention
A state must only terminate a war under the conditions agreed upon in the above criteria. Revenge is not permitted. The victor state must also be willing to apply the same level of objectivity and investigation into any war crimes its armed forces may have committed.
Public declaration and authority
The terms of peace must be made by a legitimate authority, and the terms must be accepted by a legitimate authority.
Discrimination
The victor state is to differentiate between political and military leaders, and combatants and civilians. Punitive measures are to be limited to those directly responsible for the conflict. Truth and reconciliation may sometimes be more important than punishing war crimes.
Proportionality
Any terms of surrender must be proportional to the rights that were initially violated. Draconian measures, absolutionist crusades and any attempt at denying the surrendered country the right to participate in the world community are not permitted.

[Bill Cosby]

OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS

Dear Members of Congress:

What is wrong with you folks? Why do you pass legislation you haven't read? Are you not supposed to repesent us? To do that it makes sense to me that you should at least have some clue as what you are voting on. Are we asking too much of you?

Why do you allow fellow members to come up with insane legislation and not call them on their stupidity? Need an example? How about the tax on bovine emmissions. Also known as "cow farts". Who is the dumb ass that came up with that one and why do you tolerate idiots like that in your midst. It makes the rest of you look like fools. Then again, evidently you all are because no one seems to say or do anything about it.

Tell me, would you guys have created a whole new federal department to track "cow farts" Maybe Obama would just appoint a "Cow Fart Czar" and cut you guys out of the process like he has with everything else.

How would this have been enforced? How did you guys plan on measuring this? Is there some sort of "fart" meter that can be attached to a cow's rear end that will count the number of farts? How many folks do you think would sign up for this duty? I know times are tough and jobs are scarce, but get real, will ya.

Maybe you could use federal prisoners for this duty. Would that be cruel and unusual?

Then where will you turn your attention? Are chickens next?, Horses, pigs, dogs, cats. Boy I'd love to see you guys try to measure a cat.

At what point will you get around to all of us too.

I think all you folks need to get into a different line of work and there is a good chance the rest of us may force you in that direction. We are getting tired of your emmissions, they stink too, but they are more dangerous than a "cow fart".


Good one.... :thumbsup:

Cow fart tax....

We have that here in Calif..
I have a friend that is a farmer & he told me about this & I did not believe him... (Who would)....

& indeed I found out that they indeed did have a fart tax...

It is based on "per head" not actual emissions... Cows put out a lot of methane.... Much worse then some of the other green house gases...

Perhaps you/we can start a counter movement we can call the "grass root- beanO brigade" or something...:lmao2: http://joealan.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/beano1.jpg

http://themagicrobot.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/beano-1.jpg

[foxbaron]

It all sounds fair and reasonable if you can get the other side to agree with these principles, seems to me they never do.

Maybe we all need to go back to square one. I won't attack you if you won't attack me, but if you do I will totally eliminate you and seize your lands, your resources and your women and children and make them our slaves. Unless of course, you win, then we will be your slaves.

If the citizens living in any particular country don't like their form of government then it is up to them to overthrow it because no one is going to come to their aid.

Would this be fair?

America wouldn't exist if it weren't for outside help.

I think we, as a country, have been pretty darn fair in the past when we were victorious. I just don't believe the majority of the other countries on this earth would be the same.

I think we have a moral responsibility to help those people that are unable to help themselves, that want our help, but we also have to look at the history of the country and the type of system they are used to. Not everybody can handle democracy. Some places are better off having kings or despots or whatever you want to call them but I think we can help influence them to treat their subjects with basic human rights and fairness and hold them accountable when they don't.

[Bill Cosby]

Maybe we all need to go back to square one. I won't attack you if you won't attack me, but if you do I will totally eliminate you and seize your lands, your resources and your women and children and make them our slaves. Unless of course, you win, then we will be your slaves.

I don't like this one because what if bush or Obama attack Canada & they kick our ass??? I didn't vote for or support the war but now I am the slave of a Canadian??? (Prob be better off than being owned by an American...lol)

How about we make everyone agree to lines on the map or just do away w/ them all together... New Mexico can't declare war on Alabama nor Florida on New York... Neither could they...:thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

Good one.... :thumbsup:

Cow fart tax....

We have that here in Calif..
I have a friend that is a farmer & he told me about this & I did not believe him... (Who would)....

& indeed I found out that they indeed did have a fart tax...

It is based on "per head" not actual emissions... Cows put out a lot of methane.... Much worse then some of the other green house gases...

Perhaps you/we can start a counter movement we can call the "grass root- beanO brigade" or something...:lmao2: http://joealan.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/beano1.jpg

http://themagicrobot.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/beano-1.jpg


I think if they are gonna tax it some sorry ass government type should have to go out and measure it, cow butt by cow butt. Then we can slip them all some beano and beat the government at its own game.

Its not fair if the farm next door has fartier cows than you do. Equal treatment under the law, dammit.

[foxbaron]

I don't like this one because what if bush or Obama attack Canada & they kick our ass??? I didn't vote for or support the war but now I am the slave of a Canadian??? (Prob be better off than being owned by an American...lol)

How about we make everyone agree to lines on the map or just do away w/ them all together... New Mexico can't declare war on Alabama nor Florida on New York... Neither could they...:thumbsup:



Real simple. You don't attack somebody if you are not sure you can kick their ass. You also gotta think about who may come to their aid. KInda what we have going now except that if you win you get to keep it all. Thats what the majority of the bad guy countries would do.

AT least with Canada you'd have free health care.

Lines on a map work real well until some sob decides he wants to change them.

Lets face it war is just another way of saying I love you, but I love your natural resources more therefore I want them and you are in my way. Move or die.

[Bill Cosby]

Well if there were no lines there would be nothing to fight about...

If they all had to agree to the lines, say as they are now then any effort to alter them by force will result in war w/ the rest of the planet... No exceptions...

I would prefer no lines=nothing to fight about & I have issue w/ many of the lines we have now... As do 80% of the planet I would guess....

Homelands for everyone, vote for me as world dictator...lol

[Binky]

OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS

Dear Members of Congress:

What is wrong with you folks? Why do you pass legislation you haven't read? Are you not supposed to repesent us? To do that it makes sense to me that you should at least have some clue as what you are voting on. Are we asking too much of you?

Why do you allow fellow members to come up with insane legislation and not call them on their stupidity? Need an example? How about the tax on bovine emmissions. Also known as "cow farts". Who is the dumb ass that came up with that one and why do you tolerate idiots like that in your midst. It makes the rest of you look like fools. Then again, evidently you all are because no one seems to say or do anything about it.

Tell me, would you guys have created a whole new federal department to track "cow farts" Maybe Obama would just appoint a "Cow Fart Czar" and cut you guys out of the process like he has with everything else.

How would this have been enforced? How did you guys plan on measuring this? Is there some sort of "fart" meter that can be attached to a cow's rear end that will count the number of farts? How many folks do you think would sign up for this duty? I know times are tough and jobs are scarce, but get real, will ya.

Maybe you could use federal prisoners for this duty. Would that be cruel and unusual?

Then where will you turn your attention? Are chickens next?, Horses, pigs, dogs, cats. Boy I'd love to see you guys try to measure a cat.

At what point will you get around to all of us too.

I think all you folks need to get into a different line of work and there is a good chance the rest of us may force you in that direction. We are getting tired of your emmissions, they stink too, but they are more dangerous than a "cow fart".


:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: Very astute of you to be on top of this subject.....But you forgot one thing. Not only would they count them but they'd also have to time each fart as to how long it lasted......:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: Very astute of you to be on top of this subject.....But you forgot one thing. Not only would they count them but they'd also have to time each fart as to how long it lasted......:lmao2:

Yep & not all farts are created equal.. SOme are far worse than others...

How about this....

We force every farmer to purchase & install himself a fart asspirator... AKA a cheap lighter type device attached around the offending orifice that will spark a spark @ the expulsion of said gas... PooFFFF!!! & we all breath a little easier...lol

[foxbaron]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: Very astute of you to be on top of this subject.....But you forgot one thing. Not only would they count them but they'd also have to time each fart as to how long it lasted......:lmao2:


Yeah and anything over three seconds gets hit with a "windfall" farters tax. (pun intended)

[foxbaron]

The government would also give them a fancy title>

Methane Emmissons Technician

[foxbaron]

A "Forensics And Recovery Technician"

Good morning, I'm the man from (FART). I'm here to measure your herd's compliance with the new "stimulus" act.

[Bill Cosby]

A "Forensics And Recovery Technician"

Good morning, I'm the man from (FART). I'm here to measure your herd's compliance with the new "stimulus" act.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:

LMAO.............

[foxbaron]

Yep & not all farts are created equal.. SOme are far worse than others...

How about this....

We force every farmer to purchase & install himself a fart asspirator... AKA a cheap lighter type device attached around the offending orifice that will spark a spark @ the expulsion of said gas... PooFFFF!!! & we all breath a little easier...lol


Great idea, it would immediately eliminate the methane gas and there would be no need to tax it.

ANy chance you can invent a similar device for Congress.

[Binky]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[foxbaron]

WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO?

Hey you, you guys in Congress!

What happened to our money?

Let me see if I have this straight. You guys voted to give banks and others tons of our money to keep them solvent yet you put no restictions on the use of this money and worse yet no one can account for where any of it went and none of you seem to care.

Don't you guys see something wrong with this scenario?

How did you pass this money out? Did folks show up at a warehouse somewhere and just load up wheelbarrows of money and drive off with it?

Didn't somebody somewhere write a check or chit or something and didn't somebody else have to sign for it or deposit it in a bank account somewhere?

Don't the folks who got this money have some way of tracking how and when and what they spent it on?

Don't tell me no one knows what happened to the money or how it was spent. Find out, damn it, it was our money, not yours and we would like to know.

[Binky]

It's in some buttholes new Lamborgini. Or in anothers sparkling new mansion. Or possibly hangin' in a closet with a kazillion other clothes and shoes....

If I had the chance, I'd love to pound it up their wazoos until it all came out the other end.....:D

[foxbaron]

THE WAR ON TERROR IS OVER

Well.........................................not really we just changed the name to the Overseas Contingency Operation so we don't sound so serious. I hope somebody told the troops.

Now we have to print up new bumper stickers. So what else are we going to rename?

How about the following changes so we don't hurt anyone else's feelings.

Enemy Combatant = Disaffected Arab Youth.

Improvised Explosive Device (IED) = Troop Eliminater Device.

Sniper = Distance Islamic Eliminator.

Grenade = Personnel Up-Close Killer Exercise.

Torture = Hardball, not the T.V. version.

Troops = Boy Scouts

Prisoner = Unccoperative person

The new news:

"Several disaffected arab youth met a distance islamic eliminator today when they were observed planting troop eliminator devices along a roadway."

"Those not introduced to the distance islamic eliminator were rounded up by the Boy Scouts and after playing hardball with them the Boy Scouts handed over the unccoperative persons to other Boy Scouts for participation in a personnel up-close killer exercise."

No animals were harmed in this exercise theefore PETA has no complaints.

Now doesn't that sound a lot better than "we killed a bunch of scumbags today."

[Bill Cosby]

Yea I don't like the sound of that either..

SOunds a lot like the "French foreign legion"..

[foxbaron]

Yea I don't like the sound of that either..

SOunds a lot like the "French foreign legion"..

The French Foreign Legion use to be some bad ass dudes, especially after WW2 cause they had all the Nazis that were on the run.

France had no problem when they ran Vietnam until the French folks found out that most of the guys serving there were ex=Nazis. Politically, they had to oust these guys and that's when Vietnam went to hell, and then we subsequently got involved.

The ex-Nazi dudes kept them in line cause they be real nasty bastards.

[Bill Cosby]

First I ever heard of that.... Were they French nazi's or German??

They got their asses handed to them & it seems to be very, very poor leadership... Dien Bien Phu wa a disaster...

Almost all the Vietnamese I know like the French... The older ones have lots of French culture & influence... One of my favorite local bakeries is a little French one own by a little old Vietnamese guy....

He trained to be a French baker & can do almost anything in there...

Seems the French really squandered an opportunity there to give them their country back & buddy up w/ them.... SO sad that a few bad men & idiots can make bull headed decisions & a few million die & millioins more suffer unimaginable hardships.. FOR NOTHING!!!!

[foxbaron]

My understanding was they were German Nazis, the hard core guys.

Dien Bien Phu, I think happened after they ran all the Nazis out of the Legion, but I am not exactly sure.

My info comes from a crusty old guy who possibly may have been one of those guys. I'd get more clarification from him except it's hard to talk to the dead.

[foxbaron]

VOTER FRAUD

Is voter fraud a big deal?
To me it is. Especially when we are sending our sons and daughters overseas to fight and die for the citizens of other countries so they can have the right and opportunity to vote in their country's elections.

Isn't that what this country is all about? The ability to choose our own leaders. The right to be able to vote for the candidate of our choice. Either our vote means something or it does not.

It's one thing to have your vote cancelled out by someone who votes opposite of you but it's a different thing all together to have your vote cancelled out by a dead person, or someone who votes twice, or votes in someone else's name.

Voter fraud should be considered the same as TREASON. Treason, because whoever does it has perverted our system and usurped our government. They have stolen our Constitution from us. They have stolen our government. They have in essence overthrown our own government without a shot fired. They are TRAITORS and should be treated as such.

Voter fraud should carry the death penalty or at least life imprisonment and/or the loss of your citizenship.

At the very least you should lose your citizenship and be expelled from the country as you do not deserve to be a citizen of a country when you are willing to steal an election from its' own citizens.

Yeah, it is a big deal and it is time we treated it as such.

[foxbaron]

NEW RANT

Is it fair to profile Arabs because of their last names or ethnicity?


Fair? Are you kidding me?

Profile everybody, all the time, especially Arabs or anyone that even looks like one.

This whining and crying about "profiling" is such politically correct B.S. that anyone who pays attention to it doesn't have a clue as to what is going on around them.

If you don't profile people then you are asking to wake up dead some day. You have to know your enemies. You have to know what they look like, know how they act, know how they are going to respond to things.

It drives me crazy when I hear of a certain group of people crying about being profiled. They wouldn't be getting profiled if certain members of their race, culture, ethnicity or whatever you want to call it didn't act like a bunch animals.

Usually the ones bitching about being profiled are the ones who are getting caught getting stuck on stupid.

All these programs they have to teach the police and security people to not profile others because it may hurt their feelings are a joke. Anyone who actually pays attention to these stupid classes is brain dead. No one with a brain is going to walk away from one of those classes and stop profiling people, at least no one who is a professional. Profiling bad guys is what keeps them alive.

Profiling is nothing more than a person taking their life's experiences and past contacts with others and making an informed decision within their own mind as to how that person may act, will act, or just did act. It's a normal human reaction and the politically correct want to somehow label it as evil doing.

Profile everybody, especially the type that are trying to kill you and your family.

If you are not willing to profile than go sit in a corner and put a bag over your head because you are of no use to the rest of us who prefer to survive.

[Bill Cosby]

Do you see a potential problem when start Profiling.....?? Like will your profiling lead to further problems...

I have an old neighbor his name is Kahlil..... He is not Arabic or Muslim... Old school redneck is more like it @ 70+ years old........... he was named after a Portuguese goat herder that worked for his father..

He had been down talking to them (profiled) three times already...

Just cause of his first name, his last name is pretty generic wasp...

He is cool but not happy about it...

IMO you should fuck w/ the bad ppl, when you start fucking w/ all the ppl you gonna make some of them unhappy/pissed or worse.. Is that what you want???

Is this the best you can do???

Sounds rather lame, desperate & counter productive to me.... But that is just my opinion.............

[foxbaron]

Do you see a potential problem when start Profiling.....?? Like will your profiling lead to further problems...

I have an old neighbor his name is Kahlil..... He is not Arabic or Muslim... Old school redneck is more like it @ 70+ years old........... he was named after a Portuguese goat herder that worked for his father..

He had been down talking to them (profiled) three times already...

Just cause of his first name, his last name is pretty generic wasp...

He is cool but not happy about it...

IMO you should fuck w/ the bad ppl, when you start fucking w/ all the ppl you gonna make some of them unhappy/pissed or worse.. Is that what you want???

Is this the best you can do???

Sounds rather lame, desperate & counter productive to me.... But that is just my opinion.............


The bottom line my friend is that profiling works and works real well. Profiling takes into consideration more than a persons race. Race is one of the criterias but so is the location, the time of day, how the person is acting, what other types of crimes have occurred in the immediate area, who or what type of people have been committing these crimes in the past. The current ambient light in the area. Are street lights or hallway lights in working order or is it obvious they have been disabled? Does the individual fit the neighborhood? How are they dressed? Does it appear they are attempting to conceal something? What was their reaction when they first noticed you were looking at them? Does anyone appear to be acting as a lookout? I could go on and on.

Progfiling comes down to facts and circumstances known to you at the moment and your life experiences.

Profiling is a cops sixth sense, it is one of the things that keeps them alive.

There isn't a cop worth his salt that doesn't profile no matter how you want to label it or attempt to discourage it. Court order or not. They just call it something else to be politically correct.

And, believe it or not you even profile people and you do it every day without realizing it. You react to people and circumstances based on your past experiences and personal knowledge.

It is a normal human reaction, most people just don't hone their skills at it and that is why they become victims.

Nobody profiles solely on race.

The New Jersey State Police got zapped for profiling blacks on the Jersey Turnpike which is what I think started all this political correct crap.

What most people don't understand is that at the time they were not just profiling blacks for no reason. At that time the majority of the drug traffic going down the turnpike was being transported by black males and there was a better than even chance that if you pulled over a black male you would more often than not find drugs. It was just the way it was at that time and usually these "suspects" violated some traffic law prior to being stopped or when the went past the Trooper their actions made the Trooper suspicious.

Things like suddenly slowing down or speeding up. Taking the next exit ramp they could find. Looking over their shoulders or having animated conversations with other passengers or the passengers looking out the back window and tracing the cops movements. Things you would not expect the normal person to do in those particular circumstances.

Were there violations of profiling without cause, yeah probably, but not as many as the public was led to believe.

Its what cops do, they look for unusual behavior in normal circumstances and in normal contacts with the public. They are trained to be observant and they hone those skills the more time they spend out on the streets.

Go on a ride along program someday and you will see what I mean. Most cops spend more time looking behind them or off to the side to see what is going on than they do at what is right in front of them.

Its called situational awareness.

Go read my blog on safety and security at http://www.foxbaron.blogspot.com to get some more information. Disregard the political crap just read the sections on safety and security. It is all about AWARENESS. The best security system you can have, and it costs little or nothing to implement. Feel free to leave a comment or two or three or four.

Ta Ta for now.

[RK77]

CONGRESS- PUBLIC SERVANTS OR ROYALTY?


The members of Congress are so completely out of touch with the American people that it's almost time for another American Revolution.

If the laws they passed affected them as much as it does the average citizen than perhaps "we the people" would have their undivided attention.

Few of them have ever served or have a family member serving in the armed services of the United States.

After two stints in Congress they are eligible for full retirement benefits. Wish I could get full retirement benefits after such a short time of service.

They get the best medical care available in the world at no cost to them and it goes with them into retirement.

They get a raise whenever they decide they need one regardless of what you, their boss, thinks. They don't bother to ask the boss for a raise; wish I could do that.

They can take a trip anywhere in the world, along with spouse and family, and we pay for it. I call it a vacation, they call it a fact finding tour and you can bet they don't stay at Motel 6.

Once elected they don't concern themselves with what they can do for their constituents, unless they are big contributors, they are concerned with getting reelected anyway possible.

Although term limits seem to be a great idea the downside is that if a good guy actually gets in we can't keep him in.

How about the following qualifications to be a U.S. Congressman.

1. Must have served a minimum of two years in the United States Military. This way they will actually have an idea what it is like to be lonely, cold, scared to death and depending on your teammates to keep you alive. It will give them an idea what it's like to be underpaid, unappreciated and under fire. Maybe they will come to understand that moral support is just as important as fiscal support. Maybe they will come to understand that death is a permanent condition and that honoring those that make that sacrifice is important, very important, not only to the family, but also to the nation. Maybe they will come to understand that those who return as wounded warriors need our support, unconditionally. There should be nothing, absolutely nothing, that this nation should not be willing to do for these warriors.

2. Every law they pass must have a direct result to them and their pocketbook too. They must live under the same laws and regulations they pass. All laws must apply to Congress too.

3. No pension unless they serve 25-30 years, just like everybody else. Or, better yet no pension whatsoever so there is no incentive to stick around that long.

4. Any junkets they go on, they go alone. No family members. Plus they must make a report to all their constituents the reason for it, what they accomplished and an accounting of all funds spent.

5. No more immunity from arrest while Congress is in session. They screw up, they get taken down. They can't make it to work because they are in jail, we fire them.

6. Each State buys an official residence for all the Congressmen, that is funded by the States, and we don't have to listen to them cry about having to spend money on two residences. At some point the place will get paid off and it will be an asset of the State.

There are a lot more I can think of and I may add later but right now the thought of these people is giving me a very large pain I have to deal with.

Excuse me for the moment I need to go get some Preparation H. I shall return at a later date.

EXCELLENT POST!!!:thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

NEW RANT (well, not really)


MEMORIES

Take a trip with me back in time. Ready?

I was talking with my younger brother the other night and he was telling me of an experience he had not too long ago when he was in a small town in Nebraska.

Seems he was driving through the town when suddenly he smelled an odor he hadn't smelled in years. At first he couldn't figure it out. He knew the smell was familiar but just couldn't put his finger on it. He kept driving up one street and down another trying to identify its source. Then he turned a corner and suddenly it dawned on him what that smell was.

As he turned the corner he observed several individuals spaced out up and down the street and guess what they were doing? They were burning leaves in the street at their curbs.

Do any of you remember that smell? Are any of you lucky enough to be able to burn your leaves out front at the curb without getting fined these days?

This brought back a flood of memories to me as he related the story, heck I could even smell the leaves burning as he spoke.

It reminded me of my childhood. I grew up in the Mid-West and we always used to rake the leaves out into the street and burn them and so did all the other neighbors.

It was like an impromtu street festival or block party. All the neighbors and their kids were outside doing the same thing at the same time. You'd end up talking with neighbors you hadn't seen or spoken to in months. It was a real feeling of "neighborhood", of closeness and friendship.

Everyone would be drinking apple cider and roasting marshmallows in the fire. It was great. Everybody was smiling and having a good time even though they had worked hard to rake those leaves, kids included. Kids didn't get a pass, they had to earn the right to smell the fire too.

God, I love the smell of burning leaves. Somehow it is peaceful. It's a feeling of "all is right with the world at the moment". It is a feeling of security and I can't explain why. Maybe it's because Dad was out there in charge of everything including keeping you from falling into the fire. Maybe it's the roasting of marshmallows. I don't know for sure but it takes me back to a time in my life when all was good and life was fair and people seemed to actually care about each other.

Maybe its that small town feeling a lot of us lost when we went out into the world to make our marks. Maybe its just a time in our lives where we weren't in a hurry all the time. Maybe it's just one of those things that spurs a memory that tells you to stop and smell the world once in a while. We don't stop and assess what we have often enough, and be thankful for it.

Maybe it's just a reminder not to be so full of ourselves.

I feel sorry for those who have never had the opportunity to have smelled burning leaves. Instead of burning a scented candle, go outside grab some leaves and burn them in an ashtray or old coffee can and enjoy your youth one more time.

Me thinks we may have to take a few more of these trips again. You are all welcome to come along anytime.

Tell us about an experience in your life that brought back memories of times past.

[Bill Cosby]

The bottom line my friend is that profiling works and works real well. Profiling takes into consideration more than a persons race. Race is one of the criterias but so is the location, the time of day, how the person is acting, what other types of crimes have occurred in the immediate area, who or what type of people have been committing these crimes in the past. The current ambient light in the area. Are street lights or hallway lights in working order or is it obvious they have been disabled? Does the individual fit the neighborhood? How are they dressed? Does it appear they are attempting to conceal something? What was their reaction when they first noticed you were looking at them? Does anyone appear to be acting as a lookout? I could go on and on.

Progfiling comes down to facts and circumstances known to you at the moment and your life experiences.

Profiling is a cops sixth sense, it is one of the things that keeps them alive.

There isn't a cop worth his salt that doesn't profile no matter how you want to label it or attempt to discourage it. Court order or not. They just call it something else to be politically correct.

And, believe it or not you even profile people and you do it every day without realizing it. You react to people and circumstances based on your past experiences and personal knowledge.

It is a normal human reaction, most people just don't hone their skills at it and that is why they become victims.

Nobody profiles solely on race.

The New Jersey State Police got zapped for profiling blacks on the Jersey Turnpike which is what I think started all this political correct crap.

What most people don't understand is that at the time they were not just profiling blacks for no reason. At that time the majority of the drug traffic going down the turnpike was being transported by black males and there was a better than even chance that if you pulled over a black male you would more often than not find drugs. It was just the way it was at that time and usually these "suspects" violated some traffic law prior to being stopped or when the went past the Trooper their actions made the Trooper suspicious.

Things like suddenly slowing down or speeding up. Taking the next exit ramp they could find. Looking over their shoulders or having animated conversations with other passengers or the passengers looking out the back window and tracing the cops movements. Things you would not expect the normal person to do in those particular circumstances.

Were there violations of profiling without cause, yeah probably, but not as many as the public was led to believe.

Its what cops do, they look for unusual behavior in normal circumstances and in normal contacts with the public. They are trained to be observant and they hone those skills the more time they spend out on the streets.

Go on a ride along program someday and you will see what I mean. Most cops spend more time looking behind them or off to the side to see what is going on than they do at what is right in front of them.

Its called situational awareness.

Go read my blog on safety and security at http://www.foxbaron.blogspot.com to get some more information. Disregard the political crap just read the sections on safety and security. It is all about AWARENESS. The best security system you can have, and it costs little or nothing to implement. Feel free to leave a comment or two or three or four.

Ta Ta for now.

Profiling is a cops sixth sense, it is one of the things that keeps them alive.

Sounds nice............


I have taken much of that in growing up........

A COP or anyone else does not have a sixth sense so you are taking this somewhere else.... :talktothehand:

Profiling can take you to some correct conclusions~ & some bad ones to...

I guess no one has issues w/ it till they are one of those bad ones..... :thumbsup: