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Bill Cosby
09-02-2009, 09:23 PM
This guy keeps digging his own grave deeper & deeper.......

I guess next it will be "pol pot & adi amin had feelings to":talktothehand:
Did Hitler Want War?

Pat Buchanan Pat Buchanan – Tue Sep 1, 3:00 am ET (http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20090901/cm_uc_crpbux/op_3311160)

Creators Syndicate – On Sept. 1, 1939, 70 years ago, the German Army crossed the Polish frontier. On Sept. 3, Britain declared war.

Six years later, 50 million Christians and Jews had perished. Britain was broken and bankrupt, Germany a smoldering ruin. Europe had served as the site of the most murderous combat known to man, and civilians had suffered worse horrors than the soldiers.

By May 1945, Red Army hordes occupied all the great capitals of Central Europe: Vienna, Prague, Budapest, Berlin. A hundred million Christians were under the heel of the most barbarous tyranny in history: the Bolshevik regime of the greatest terrorist of them all, Joseph Stalin.

What cause could justify such sacrifices?

The German-Polish war had come out of a quarrel over a town the size of Ocean City, Md., in summer. Danzig, 95 percent German, had been severed from Germany at Versailles in violation of Woodrow Wilson's principle of self-determination. Even British leaders thought Danzig should be returned.

Why did Warsaw not negotiate with Berlin, which was hinting at an offer of compensatory territory in Slovakia? Because the Poles had a war guarantee from Britain that, should Germany attack, Britain and her empire would come to Poland's rescue.

But why would Britain hand an unsolicited war guarantee to a junta of Polish colonels, giving them the power to drag Britain into a second war with the most powerful nation in Europe?

Was Danzig worth a war? Unlike the 7 million Hong Kongese whom the British surrendered to Beijing, who didn't want to go, the Danzigers were clamoring to return to Germany.

Comes the response: The war guarantee was not about Danzig, or even about Poland. It was about the moral and strategic imperative "to stop Hitler" after he showed, by tearing up the Munich pact and Czechoslovakia with it, that he was out to conquer the world. And this Nazi beast could not be allowed to do that.

If true, a fair point. Americans, after all, were prepared to use atom bombs to keep the Red Army from the Channel. But where is the evidence that Adolf Hitler, whose victims as of March 1939 were a fraction of Gen. Pinochet's, or Fidel Castro's, was out to conquer the world?

After Munich in 1938, Czechoslovakia did indeed crumble and come apart. Yet consider what became of its parts.

The Sudeten Germans were returned to German rule, as they wished. Poland had annexed the tiny disputed region of Teschen, where thousands of Poles lived. Hungary's ancestral lands in the south of Slovakia had been returned to her. The Slovaks had their full independence guaranteed by Germany. As for the Czechs, they came to Berlin for the same deal as the Slovaks, but Hitler insisted they accept a protectorate.

Now one may despise what was done, but how did this partition of Czechoslovakia manifest a Hitlerian drive for world conquest?

Comes the reply: If Britain had not given the war guarantee and gone to war, after Czechoslovakia would have come Poland's turn, then Russia's, then France's, then Britain's, then the United States.

We would all be speaking German now.

But if Hitler was out to conquer the world — Britain, Africa, the Middle East, the United States, Canada, South America, India, Asia, Australia — why did he spend three years building that hugely expensive Siegfried Line to protect Germany from France? Why did he start the war with no surface fleet, no troop transports and only 29 oceangoing submarines? How do you conquer the world with a navy that can't get out of the Baltic Sea?

If Hitler wanted the world, why did he not build strategic bombers, instead of two-engine Dorniers and Heinkels that could not even reach Britain from Germany?

Why did he let the British army go at Dunkirk?

Why did he offer roflmaothe British peace, twice, after Poland fell, and again after France fell?

Why, when Paris fell, did Hitler not demand the French fleet, as the Allies demanded and got the Kaiser's fleet? Why did he not demand bases in French-controlled Syria to attack Suez? Why did he beg Benito Mussolini not to attack Greece?

Because Hitler wanted to end the war in 1940, :homer:almost two years before the trains began to roll to the camps.

Hitler had never wanted war with Poland, but an alliance with Poland such as he had with Francisco Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy, Miklos Horthy's Hungary and Father Jozef Tiso's Slovakia.

Indeed, why would he want war when, by 1939, he was surrounded by allied, friendly or neutral neighbors, save France. And he had written off Alsace, because reconquering Alsace meant war with France, and that meant war with Britain, whose empire he admired and whom he had always sought as an ally.

As of March 1939, Hitler did not even have a border with Russia. How then could he invade Russia? (wasn't his faultroflmao)

Winston Churchill was right when he called it "The Unnecessary War" — the war that may yet prove the mortal blow to our civilization.

Pat Buchanan's book on the causes of World War II, "Churchill, Hitler and 'The Unnecessary War,'" can be purchased through amazon.com at http://tinyurl.com/nnyexu. To find out more about Patrick Buchanan, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com.

CosmicRocker
09-02-2009, 10:34 PM
He makes vaild points that Hitler invaded all of Poland, before Germany was fully armed.

All the article assumes is that Hitler made rational strategic decisions.
Germany was going to move at Hitler's timetable;
not Hitler at Germany's timetable.

Quite the opposite.

Hitler was virtually insane to invade Russia, insane to die at Stalingrad.

I don't feel like going over all the anomalys that Buchanan lists, he makes some valid points, buit they are ancillary to the fact that wars have a timetable of their own.

Hitler and Mussolini are not rememberd for being good commanders.
Both refused to council their generals, when they followed their own ideas.

Bill Cosby
09-02-2009, 10:49 PM
He makes vaild points that Hitler invaded all of Poland, before Germany was fully armed.

What does that have to do w/ it being right or wrong??? The Poles were using horses to pull cannons around... How much more armed did he need to be then???

Pat's arguments seem to be saying that it was not his fault....

That he wanted peace....... Same kinda peace that Genghis Khan wanted...

he signed deals & stabbed in the back.. There was no reason to assume he would honor any peace deal...........

What he intended was clear. hell he wrote a book about it...

IMHO Pat just took another couple steps towards the end of the limb...

Moby
09-02-2009, 11:07 PM
I spent months in the city of Warsaw and it was so strange to realize that the entire city was destroyed. Not a single building was left standing. You could see a few buildings that still had parts of the original foundation as the brick was a different color.

That type of devastation doesn't just happen.

ROdger Right
09-02-2009, 11:24 PM
Yes, the allies agrred to a pact with Poland as long as they didn't build a powerful milatary that might upset Hitler.

Before the end when he was preaching to the death Hitler was known to follow his ideas and unlike Stallin they would lead to more often than not success.