HOGBLOG..........Caution-enter at own risk/no minors!

[Hog Trash]

This is HOGBLOG...That's Hog Blog for you slow pokes...That means it's a Blog by none other that me, Hog.

My blog will be updated on a regular basis or whenever I fuckin feel like it, whichever is most convenient for me.

My blog will include mostly whatever the hell I feel like putting in it so don't be offended by what you might find here.

I would appreciate it if the Mods would check their badges at the door because this is my blog and I can moderate it myself.

Everybody else who visits here is welcome to comment on what I blog but no bullshit sessions amongst yourselves will be tolerated.

I Hog Trash reserve the right to update-change-add to-or take away from, this list of rules at will and take no responsibility for my actions.

[Hog Trash]

HogBlog rules may vary from DCJ rules and are subject to change without warning.

[Cookie]

There's no blog content yet. Or are you expecting us to comment on your rules? I have no comment on the rules. The rules are the rules. Ok, so whenever you're ready...

[Zebulon0351]

Ok.. so I can take "ownership" of my own blog on this public site and do whatever I please as well?

Cool, I didn't know we could make our own rules in here.

[Hog Trash]

http://www.m-r-surplus.com/catalog/item/2922299/6104288.htm

WOW!...This thing sounds like something Dirty Harry would carry...LOL!

Dirty Harry; "This is the most powerful tazer in the world and will blow your head clean off...Do ya feel lucky punk"? :lmao2:

I shit you not...A 2.5 million volt Stun Gun is what the advertisement says.

I wonder if you could jump start your car with this thing?...LOL!

Did you ever hear of cow tipping?...A 4 year old girl could tip a cow with one of these things. :lmao2:

Hey. they could make a special model for girls only...A 2.5 million volt Tazer with a built in vibrater...LOL!

You come home from work early and find your wife layin naked on the couch smiling with her hair all frizzed up and her vagina smokin. :lmao2:

I'll bet Tim The Toolman would love one of these babies...Tim; "Hey All, come here for a minute"!....Al; "I don't think so Tim"...LOL!

Remember the "don't taz me bro" guy?...With this he would say; "Don't taz me bro, please, just shoot me"! :lmao2:

I am definately gonna check up on one of these things...This sounds like to much fun to pass on and the possibilities are endless.


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[Bill Cosby]

This is HOGBLOG...That's Hog Blog for you slow pokes...That means it's a Blog by none other that me, Hog.

My blog will be updated on a regular basis or whenever I fuckin feel like it, whichever is most convenient for me.

My blog will include mostly whatever the hell I feel like putting in it so don't be offended by what you might find here.

I would appreciate it if the Mods would check their badges at the door because this is my blog and I can moderate it myself.

Everybody else who visits here is welcome to comment on what I blog but no bullshit sessions amongst yourselves will be tolerated.

I Hog Trash reserve the right to update-change-add to-or take away from, this list of rules at will and take no responsibility for my actions.

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

:thumbsup:

LMAO!!!!!!!!

Hopefully your blog will be as good (funny) as your blog statement...

[Smurf-Herder]

HogBlog rules may vary from DCJ rules and are subject to change without warning.

HT, you can't do this without setting up something special with the owner.

We can't just have people creating their own little worlds out of threads, which aren't subject to the rules of the board.

You have to set up something first, that separates it from regular threads - with the owner's permission.

[Bill Cosby]

I would be nice to have more sections & a spot for folks to post blogs....

[Hog Trash]

HT, you can't do this without setting up something special with the owner.

We can't just have people creating their own little worlds out of threads, which aren't subject to the rules of the board.

You have to set up something first, that separates it from regular threads - with the owner's permission.Smurf, this is your first and last warning!

If you continue disrupting my Blog you will be banned from here!

Species discrimination will not be tolerated at HogBlog and hogs are a species!

By the way, species discrimination is the only political correctness practiced at HogBlog.

[foxbaron]

Go fer it Hog

[Hog Trash]

No, really...Fishing...Must be the redneck in me!

When Hog goes on a mini-fishing trip it involves;

Camping

[I]Cookin out [Cooked out food is much better than cooked in food...Anybody that doesn't agree with that is most likely a liberal]

Building a fire

[I]Drinkin beer [Hog loves that part...It also makes the "sittin round the fire lyin part" much better]

And of course, fishin...[Those damn fish hate ta see me commin cuz they know the shit is on...I like catchinem, I like fryinem, I like eatinem but cleaninem is a necessary evil/chore]

I promise to get down to some kickass Hogbloggin upon my return...I have issues!

PS...If I don't catch anything you can be assured, I'll at least have a good fish story about the one that got away. :thumbsup:

[Environment Man]

Smurf this m-f-er is so fucking crazy and so fucking funny you have to let him go with it.

I mean the hog stuck pig fucker is so fucking over the top that who can oppose his logic?

I support Hog Trash in his Blog promotion.

Long live Hog fucking Trash and his Hog fucking Blog.

[foxbaron]

The Hog has an over abundance of common sense and with any luck he may infect some of you liberals.

HOG, the conservatives version of H1N1

[Cookie]

Hog, have a safe trip. Don't get drunk and fall into the lake/ocean/river/creek etc.

When ya get back, get busy because we're all waiting for the Hog Blog to begin.

[Captain Obvious]

The Hog has an over abundance of common sense and with any luck he may infect some of you liberals.

HOG, the conservatives version of H1N1

I doubt it.

Not Hog's influence, but this new crop of fruitcakes that came over from Pee Wee's Playhouse look like they're here just to fuck off - kinda like they do over there.

I've lurked there the last day or two. It's a fucking hen house over there.

My guess is that they'll either get bored over here and move on to some other fucking birdcage or this place will turn into a romper room like Groove.

Option "c" - they wise up and start become productive members? Ain't happening, IMO.

Now this is a generalization of course. From what I've seen, a couple of them seem to be blending in ok.

[Binky]

I'm going to miss your sparkling personality Hog.....behave yourself......:D

[doctordog]

What good is it to have a Hog Blog without a picture of the world's largest hog posted somewhere on it:

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[Bill Cosby]

Have fun & don't shoot anyone...

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh126/kilerrock08/redneck-4.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_KjCLsoLU7c4/RlXrXr_yv8I/AAAAAAAAAQ8/ewTdf4ZgVrc/s320/redneck+fishing.jpg

& don't drink to much.....>>> You know how you ppl are... http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s151/MHarwood51/Red%20Necks/neked.jpg

[Binky]

Cos, you're nuts........I'd hate to be her when she gets up....:lmao2: An a sunburned ass at that......:lmao2:

[doctordog]

Have Fun Hog!:thumbsup:

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[Bill Cosby]

Cos, you're nuts........I'd hate to be her when she gets up....:lmao2: An a sunburned ass at that......:lmao2:

Looks like she had fun..... But prob won't remember.... :lmao2: :lmao2:

[Binky]

Looks like she had fun..... But prob won't remember.... :lmao2: :lmao2:


:lmao2: Just that pic alone will live on to haunt her. :lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

Hey she is famous now..................lol

[CosmicRocker]

how's that for thw name of your blog?

[doctordog]

how's that for thw name of your blog?

Do you think he washes?:lmao2:

[CosmicRocker]

Do you think he washes?:lmao2:
sure. he can "give us the dirt" when he "comes clean" each day.

[MintJulep]

WTF is a Hawg Blog? :lmao2:

[disrupter]

We can't just have people creating their own little worlds out of threads

I guess there is no room for string theory here.

I guess there must be a deficit of branes.

[Bill Cosby]

WTF is a Hawg Blog? :lmao2:

Well he is usually not much sharper than a dull hammer but @ times he can be funny & even witty... (Don't tell him I said any of this:( )

I Hog Trash reserve the right to update-change-add to-or take away from, this list of rules at will and take no responsibility for my actions.

That was a good line............ :thumbsup:

I got a good laugh out of it....

Now he is out camping out &* cooking out... Hopefuly the other campers in the campground have ear plugs.............. Oy!!

[Moby]

Do you think he washes?:lmao2:
Good point :D

[Hog Trash]

“I exist as I am, that is enough, if no other in the world be aware I sit content, and if each and all be aware I sit content” - Walt Whitman.

[Binky]

I guess there is no room for string theory here.

I guess there must be a deficit of branes.


:lmao2: Seeing as how you spelled brains wrong, I guess not....:lmao2:

[Binky]

Welcome back Hog...I've missed your radiant and sparkling personality.....:D

[Bill Cosby]

So when do we hear all the damn lies about big fish & mountains climbed.... Oh & beer being drank... lol

[doctordog]

I am returning the favor to you for the nasty photo you posted at Beautiful women.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m289/slycro/turd.jpg

[Zebulon0351]

I am returning the favor to you for the nasty photo you posted at Beautiful women.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m289/slycro/turd.jpg


Dude.. that's just wrong. It HAS to be a fake picture though. Girls poop strawberry ice cream.

[Betty Blowtorch]

“I exist as I am, that is enough,
if no other in the world be aware I sit content,
and if each and all be aware I sit content”

- Walt Whitman
So now you're quoting gay poets, Hog? And in a lovely
Royal Blue type font? How very artistic of you.

What exactly were you doing out there in the woods
this weekend, Hogmeister? You're weren't having...
"fun" with cute young Boy Scouts, were you?

[foxbaron]

He was cavorting with the forest nymphs.


Hope he got photos for us, I hear they are hot.

[CosmicRocker]

I think he went HogWild...;)

[Hog Trash]

I cannot help but notice that many out there in Netland seem to be a bit apprehensive about warming up to the kind, considerate, intelligent and illustrious Hog, and am very aware that many of you are somewhat envious of my wit, charm, intelligence, good looks and accomplishments.

You fail to realize that much of this is brought on by your personal insecurities, failures and meager accomplishments in comparison to my wondrous own...Your anti-Hog sentiments are the results of your failures to be my equal when your only goal should be to be the best you can on a personal level.

Strive to set your individual goals within your restricted "liberal" capabilities...To measure yourselves by Hog's yardstick is inviting failure and personal ridicule so be kind to yourself and keep within your self imposed liberal bounderies..."My education, formal, street and worldly, far exceeds anything you will ever aspire to".

[Bill Cosby]

There............ That is dumb pompous ass we all know & love.... LOL

I hope you caught something more than a fish............

Next time you plan a "camp-out" give us some fair warning.... Maybe we can pass the hat around & get enough money to get you a one way plane ticket to Alaska...

& a small tent strategically placed next to a pleasant stream, during the salmon run........CVS1UfCfxlU

[Captain Obvious]

I cannot help but notice that many out there in Netland seem to be a bit apprehensive about warming up to the kind, considerate, intelligent and illustrious Hog, and am very aware that many of you are somewhat envious of my wit, charm, intelligence, good looks and accomplishments.

You fail to realize that much of this is brought on by your personal insecurities, failures and meager accomplishments in comparison to my wondrous own...Your anti-Hog sentiments are the results of your failures to be my equal when your only goal should be to be the best you can on a personal level.

Strive to set your individual goals within your restricted "liberal" capabilities...To measure yourselves by Hog's yardstick is inviting failure and personal ridicule so be kind to yourself and keep within your self imposed liberal bounderies..."My education, formal, street and worldly, far exceeds anything you will ever aspire to".

You're A-OK in my books Mr. Trash.

Or can I just call you Hog?

;)

[ROdger Right]

Opening day for ducks happens on tuesday this week so headingh out tommorow.

[Binky]

Opening day for ducks happens on tuesday this week so headingh out tommorow.


So you aim high and shoot little duckies. Well, that's just ducky. Poor little duckys.....:lmao2:

[Cookie]

Welcome back Hog!

A heads up for ya; Betty is trying to project his sick fantasies onto you....
involving his woody escapades in the forrest with children. It's all too ugly.

[Bill Cosby]

Opening day for ducks happens on tuesday this week so headingh out tommorow.

Don't forget your dick cheny safely manual.... & no drinking till after....

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/t/k/cheney_nra_gun.jpg

[ROdger Right]

Don't forget your dick cheny safely manual.... & no drinking till after....

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/t/k/cheney_nra_gun.jpg

:lmao2: Weed for the day, drink for the night. I know how to roll cosby:thumbsup:

[Binky]

Don't forget your dick cheny safely manual.... & no drinking till after....

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/t/k/cheney_nra_gun.jpg



Awe, Cos, you have such a delightful sense of humor....:lmao2:

[Bill Cosby]

:lmao2: Weed for the day, drink for the night. I know how to roll cosby:thumbsup:

Were abouts you going??

Mallards???

[doctordog]

Were abouts you going??

Mallards???\\

It is way too early here, must be pintails in the plains?

[Bill Cosby]

\\

It is way too early here, must be pintails in the plains?

Not sure what hunting season it is here now but they walk all around here.. I guess they think they are pigeons or something....lol

[doctordog]

Not sure what hunting season it is here now but they walk all around here.. I guess they think they are pigeons or something....lol

do they have duck season in in California?

[ROdger Right]

Mallards, green heads, camel back, wintail, golden eye, cranes, geese ya know i always been a fan of diversity

[Bill Cosby]

do they have duck season in in California?

Yep.... Not long & I think in the fall sometime..... Not a good time for kayaking...lol

They shot canadian geese (or whatever rog calls these birds kicking it here in calif..http://thumb0.webshots.net/t/63/763/6/4/86/2896604860067110760BTuskB_th.jpg ) as well as ring necks, doves, quail etc...

[doctordog]

Yep.... Not long & I think in the fall sometime..... Not a good time for kayaking...lol

They shot canadian geese (or whatever rog calls these birds kicking it here in calif..http://thumb0.webshots.net/t/63/763/6/4/86/2896604860067110760BTuskB_th.jpg ) as well as ring necks, doves, quail etc...

I quit 30 years ago when they outlawed lead shot and changed to steel.

[Bill Cosby]

Mallards, green heads, camel back, wintail, golden eye, cranes, geese ya know i always been a fan of diversity

Isn't a greenhead a mllard??? Male???

Never heard of a golden eye??? Cranes??? Like what sandhill??

You eating them???

[Bill Cosby]

I quit 30 years ago when they outlawed lead shot and changed to steel.

I have never hunted since a kid w/ a bb gun... I killed some birds & didn't feel good about it....

I have a duck 12 gauge but have never used it... I have the short barrel on it...

I have lots of friends that hunt.. I did some fishing (30-40 lb salmon) but now I just prefer to kayak or rafting.....

[doctordog]

I have never hunted since a kid w/ a bb gun... I killed some birds & didn't feel good about it....

I have a duck 12 gauge but have never used it... I have the short barrel on it...

I have lots of friends that hunt.. I did some fishing (30-40 lb salmon) but now I just prefer to kayak or rafting.....

I like motorcycle riding, target shooting, and hot rodding.

[Hog Trash]

You're A-OK in my books Mr. Trash.

Or can I just call you Hog?

;)You may...

[Hog Trash]

So now you're quoting gay poets, Hog? And in a lovely
Royal Blue type font? How very artistic of you.

What exactly were you doing out there in the woods
this weekend, Hogmeister? You're weren't having...
"fun" with cute young Boy Scouts, were you?If my memory serves me correctly, this is the second time I have quoted Walt Witman and the second time you have reminded me of his sexual preference.

Get ready for this everybody....Hog has even quoted Karl Marx and I am very likely the most rabid anti socialist, communist, marxist on the planet.

I was curious Betty, are you possibly having sexual fantasies of me and/or Mr Witman or just playing "GOTCHA"? :angel: I suspect the latter.

[slowhand]

I cannot help but notice that many out there in Netland seem to be a bit apprehensive about warming up to the kind, considerate, intelligent and illustrious Hog, and am very aware that many of you are somewhat envious of my wit, charm, intelligence, good looks and accomplishments.

You fail to realize that much of this is brought on by your personal insecurities, failures and meager accomplishments in comparison to my wondrous own...Your anti-Hog sentiments are the results of your failures to be my equal when your only goal should be to be the best you can on a personal level.

Strive to set your individual goals within your restricted "liberal" capabilities...To measure yourselves by Hog's yardstick is inviting failure and personal ridicule so be kind to yourself and keep within your self imposed liberal bounderies..."My education, formal, street and worldly, far exceeds anything you will ever aspire to".

You a regular Ralph Waldo Emerson :lmao2:

[John Galt]

Pretty much what I expected from a Hogblog....so far, 7 pages of nothing.

I guess we know what goes on in his head.

[Hog Trash]

A liberal accusing someone of another political persuasion of being "empty headed"???

Liberals, who find joy in the dead American troops when they are unloaded from the planes and cheer at their funerals.

Liberals, who believe it is OK for the government to disarm the lawabiding citizens of America, leaving them defenseless.

Liberals, who believe it is OK to petition the government to forcebly take the earnings of one American and give to another.

Liberals, who claim to be the purveyors of freedom and personal rights and witout hesitation turn them over to government.

Liberals, who believe global warming is caused by people even though climate change has been occuring for 4 billion years before human arrival.

Liberals, who promote and defend the election and appointment of known racists like Obama and Sotomayer into powerful government positions.

Liberals, who promote marxist socialism even though it has been proven time and again to be a failed system of governance which leads to totalitarianism.

Liberals, who rip and tear at the fabric of America in a never ending quest to destroy what made it the place millions around the world have dreamed of calling their home.

Liberals, who call others "empty headed" is sort of like the elephant man calling Miss America ugly...Liberals should take a look in the mirror before making empty headed accusations.

[Hog Trash]

“Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail” - Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Zebulon0351]

Liberals, who find joy in the dead American troops when they are unloaded from the planes and cheer at their funerals.


I haven't seen that happening.. unless you are talking about Fred Phelps and his crew.

[hdmarketing]

http://www.m-r-surplus.com/catalog/item/2922299/6104288.htm

WOW!...This thing sounds like something Dirty Harry would carry...LOL!

Dirty Harry; "This is the most powerful tazer in the world and will blow your head clean off...Do ya feel lucky punk"? :lmao2:

I shit you not...A 2.5 million volt Stun Gun is what the advertisement says.

I wonder if you could jump start your car with this thing?...LOL!

Did you ever hear of cow tipping?...A 4 year old girl could tip a cow with one of these things. :lmao2:

Hey. they could make a special model for girls only...A 2.5 million volt Tazer with a built in vibrater...LOL!

You come home from work early and find your wife layin naked on the couch smiling with her hair all frizzed up and her vagina smokin. :lmao2:

I'll bet Tim The Toolman would love one of these babies...Tim; "Hey All, come here for a minute"!....Al; "I don't think so Tim"...LOL!

Remember the "don't taz me bro" guy?...With this he would say; "Don't taz me bro, please, just shoot me"! :lmao2:

I am definately gonna check up on one of these things...This sounds like to much fun to pass on and the possibilities are endless.


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Hog,

I much perfer this little gem...
http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm?

[Hog Trash]

Hog,

I much perfer this little gem...
http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm?I like it but this ones a little more conceilable.

http://www.cobraderringers.com/item/65845_Bond_Arms_Hand_Guns_Pistols_Bond_Arms_C2K_De fender_De_Bond%20Arms_Hand%20Guns%20Pistols.aspx

[xav8terx]

I like it but this ones a little more conceilable.

http://www.cobraderringers.com/item/65845_Bond_Arms_Hand_Guns_Pistols_Bond_Arms_C2K_De fender_De_Bond%20Arms_Hand%20Guns%20Pistols.aspx



What the hell are you two pussies so afraid of?

[doctordog]

I like it but this ones a little more conceilable.

http://www.cobraderringers.com/item/65845_Bond_Arms_Hand_Guns_Pistols_Bond_Arms_C2K_De fender_De_Bond%20Arms_Hand%20Guns%20Pistols.aspx

this one makes a nice carry either in a pocket or purse

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=50&productid=167

[Hog Trash]

I own a 228/9mm...13 round clip...Slightly smaller and more conceilable than the model 229/9mm with the 17 round clip.

I don't like the plastic Glocks...They just don't feel right and appear fragile.

[Hog Trash]

Most liberals have no idea they are the pawns of the marxists...They do their dirty work, promote their policies and ideologies, and elect their candidates and are never the wiser.

Liberals are the weaker more dependent class of Americans who are either the spoiled children of the wealthy and upper middle classes, the disallussioned and the slackers who simply can't make it on their own.

Also included are the latinos who arrive with their socialist baggage and minoritities who feel they are somehow owed a free ride because of historical attrocities and oppression and seek more than equality.

They have found the perfect home in the Democrat Party who promises them the wealth of the nation through the redistribution of that wealth and all for the price of their political loyalty and votes.

The Democrat Party says, "give us your votes and the power to nationalize and control the wealth of America and you will be rewarded with food, housing, clothing, education and medical care".

The wonderful promises they make are received by the poor ignorant masses believing their struggles are over and their saviors have arrived...All they need do is turn control of their lives over to the government in exchange for utopia.

The dumming down of America has helped to bring about a more trusting and gullible nation of compliant sheep who believe they are being fattened up for something other than the slaughter house. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_re_us/us_sat_scores;_ylt=AiOzbDdvDwDEQ1aAWGoLmD9H2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTE1bG83b2VpBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1jaGFubmVsBHN sawNzYXRzY29yZXNkaXA-SAT scores dip for high school class of 2009

By JUSTIN POPE, AP Education Writer Justin Pope, Ap Education Writer – Tue Aug 25, 5:09 pm ET

Through the early 1990s and early 2000s, average scores on the SAT college entrance exam moved steadily upward. Now, for the last five years, they've been drifting back down.


The Republican Party isn't much better...In order to compete with all of the freebies the Democrats have offered the Republicans have had to resort to the socialist government spending tacitics of the competition.

They Republicans have been torn between their low tax political ideology and their new found big spending policies, resulting in a very large deficit...The Democrats, not having this problem, will spend the hell out of your money by taxing the hell out of your earnings.

The new dummed down Americans cannot connect the dots to free government handouts and who really pays for it...Even when the burden of these freebies are placed on big business, corporations and the wealthy they are then passed on to you the recipiant of those freebies.

All you have done is to turn control of those products and services over to Government/Big Brother which means you are now at the mercy of whatever they want to give you because you no longer have the option of free market competition vieing for your business.

Have you ever heard of a man named Norman Thomas?
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Norman.Thomas.Quote.FFB1
by: Norman Thomas
(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

Source: 1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign,

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

[Ed. note: Norman Thomas and Gus Hall, the U.S. Communist Party
Candidate, both quit American politics, agreeing that the Republican
and Democratic parties had adopted every plank on the
Communist/Socialist and they no longer had an alternate party platform
on which to run.]If socialism is what you truly desire then by all means keep pulling the Democrat lever at the voting booth.

If it is not then be aware that you are being manipulated and stop playing the part of a gullible sucker.

And above all keep in mind that nothing worth having is free...It's only a marxist fantasy to enslave you.

[hdmarketing]

What the hell are you two pussies so afraid of?

Afraid?
Me?
:lmao2:

I sure in the hell aint afraid of much, but I really do like guns.
I probably saw more in one day, then you have seen in your life.

:thumbsup:

[hdmarketing]

I own a 228/9mm...13 round clip...Slightly smaller and more conceilable than the model 229/9mm with the 17 round clip.

I don't like the plastic Glocks...They just don't feel right and appear fragile.

Glock?

HA!
:lmao2:
What a peice of shit...

[slowhand]

Most liberals have no idea they are the pawns of the marxists...They do their dirty work, promote their policies and ideologies, and elect their candidates and are never the wiser.

Liberals are the weaker more dependent class of Americans who are either the spoiled children of the wealthy and upper middle classes, the disallussioned and the slackers who simply can't make it on their own.

Also included are the latinos who arrive with their socialist baggage and minoritities who feel they are somehow owed a free ride because of historical attrocities and oppression and seek more than equality.

They have found the perfect home in the Democrat Party who promises them the wealth of the nation through the redistribution of that wealth and all for the price of their political loyalty and votes.

The Democrat Party says, "give us your votes and the power to nationalize and control the wealth of America and you will be rewarded with food, housing, clothing, education and medical care".

The wonderful promises they make are received by the poor ignorant masses believing their struggles are over and their saviors have arrived...All they need do is turn control of their lives over to the government in exchange for utopia.

The dumming down of America has helped to bring about a more trusting and gullible nation of compliant sheep who believe they are being fattened up for something other than the slaughter house. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_re_us/us_sat_scores;_ylt=AiOzbDdvDwDEQ1aAWGoLmD9H2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTE1bG83b2VpBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1jaGFubmVsBHN sawNzYXRzY29yZXNkaXA-

The Republican Party isn't much better...In order to compete with all of the freebies the Democrats have offered the Republicans have had to resort to the socialist government spending tacitics of the competition.

They Republicans have been torn between their low tax political ideology and their new found big spending policies, resulting in a very large deficit...The Democrats, not having this problem, will spend the hell out of your money by taxing the hell out of your earnings.

The new dummed down Americans cannot connect the dots to free government handouts and who really pays for it...Even when the burden of these freebies are placed on big business, corporations and the wealthy they are then passed on to you the recipiant of those freebies.

All you have done is to turn control of those products and services over to Government/Big Brother which means you are now at the mercy of whatever they want to give you because you no longer have the option of free market competition vieing for your business.

Have you ever heard of a man named Norman Thomas?
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Norman.Thomas.Quote.FFB1
If socialism is what you truly desire then by all means keep pulling the Democrat lever at the voting booth.

If it is not then be aware that you are being manipulated and stop playing the part of a gullible sucker.

And above all keep in mind that nothing worth having is free...It's only a marxist fantasy to enslave you.


The whole fucking thing is an illusion..We just come here a argue over who's illusion is better

[hdmarketing]

The whole fucking thing is an illusion..We just come here a argue over who's illusion is better


Okay I'll buy that....

But Obama sure aint better, and people are starting to see it...

[Hog Trash]

The whole fucking thing is an illusion..We just come here a argue over who's illusion is betterAnd being a liberal, you're OK with that, huh???

[xav8terx]

Afraid?
Me?
:lmao2:

I sure in the hell aint afraid of much, but I really do like guns.
I probably saw more in one day, then you have seen in your life.

:thumbsup:

I'm sure you have...and that means what? You need a life?

[Hog Trash]

What the hell are you two pussies so afraid of?Irrational fear is paranoia.

Rational fear is a survival tool.

Don't you ever watch the six oclock news?

There are very bad people in the world who do very bad things.

It is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

You sound like a typical pampered liberal who lives a safe life in a gated community.

Either that or you're just plain stupid!

[slowhand]

And being a liberal, you're OK with that, huh???

If you were to do some open minded reading, and take a honest assessment of Iran-Contra Affair for example, and take a long hard look what those criminal fucks did, about how they loaded up L.A. with cocaine to finance their little endeavor, Ollie North, the CIA, because, who lives in the ghetto?..Blacks and Hispanics mostly..Think those fucks care about them?..You want links?..I'll be more than happy to oblige..Do you think Bush and his cronies were honorable?..They were not, and just Plamegate alone, (never mind the rest of the bullshit)..where Scooter Libby, a convicted traitor was given a Presidential Pardon..Libby, Rove, and Cheney should have been hung for that

What is so hard to understand about, we the people, accept these atrocities as status quo..And I dont give a fuck whether its the Dems or the Repubs who have blood on thier hands..Clinton wasnt no saint either..People went to jail for Whitewater..but not the Clintons..Ted Kennedy, by his own admission was no saint in his personal life..Everything in this country is contingent on the desires and the greed of corporate America..they finance the campaigns, and the politicians kiss their asses for it.."Special Interests"..This aint about Liberals and Conservatives anymore..This is about "we the people" settling for the unacceptable..and the unacceptable becomes business as usual..Nixon resigned because of Watergate, and Ford rewarded him by pardoning him..Obama has no interest in bringing the Bush Admin atrocities to justice..and I can fetch you a whole list of those..Its a fucking game, and we the people are under the illusion that one day our knight in shining armor is going to get elected into office and we are going to live happily ever after..Im 56 years old, and Im still waiting, and I dont know about you Hog, but all I see is more broken promises, more lies and half truths.....more "politics"

Am I ok with being a liberal?..I'll answer that by asking you, is there a third choice?

[doctordog]

I own a 228/9mm...13 round clip...Slightly smaller and more conceilable than the model 229/9mm with the 17 round clip.

I don't like the plastic Glocks...They just don't feel right and appear fragile.


they will shoot over and over after being rained on and getting dirty

[Zebulon0351]

Irrational fear is paranoia.

You sound like a typical pampered liberal who lives a safe life in a gated community.

Either that or you're just plain stupid!

So are you saying there is something wrong with living in gated communities? Is there something wrong with being successful and choosing to live in an area that requires residency to access?

Go ahead and enjoy your life in your doublewide Hog.. If that is what makes you happy go for it.

[xav8terx]

Irrational fear is paranoia.

Rational fear is a survival tool.

Don't you ever watch the six oclock news?

There are very bad people in the world who do very bad things.

It is better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

You sound like a typical pampered liberal who lives a safe life in a gated community.

Either that or you're just plain stupid!



Nope, I’m just not afraid of my own shadow and feel that I need an arsenal to protect myself. You sound like the typical pussy ass republican afraid of everything including sex.

Either that or you're just plain...well no, you're just afraid.

[doctordog]

Nope, I’m just not afraid of my own shadow and feel that I need an arsenal to protect myself. You sound like the typical pussy ass republican afraid of everything including sex.

Either that or you're just plain...well no, you're just afraid.

you are probably for gun control

[Thai Kimchi]

Am I ok with being a liberal?..I'll answer that by asking you, is there a third choice?

Geez, if you ain't the John Q. Public of enquiring minds everywhere!

When the 'progressives' we supposedly elected last time around turn out to be stealth goposaurs too busy raking in corporate cash to do the job we elected them to do in the first place - guess what? The game's over.

The oligarchy wins (yes, Glenn, there actually IS a 'c' in the word 'oligarchy', and it doesn't stand for one of Obama's "czars"), the citizens* lose, just like always.


* in today's vernacular, the term 'citizen' and the word 'consumer' are completely interchangeable.

[xav8terx]

you are probably for gun control


And you are probably wrong. Frankly i could give two shits and a fuck about gun control. I just think it's funny how afraid Hog is. I can just see him in his lil bunker pissing himself.

[slowhand]

Geez, if you ain't the John Q. Public of enquiring minds everywhere!

When the 'progressives' we supposedly elected last time around turn out to be stealth goposaurs too busy raking in corporate cash to do the job we elected them to do in the first place - guess what? The game's over.

The oligarchy wins (yes, Glenn, there actually IS a 'c' in the word 'oligarchy', and it doesn't stand for one of Obama's "czars"), the citizens* lose, just like always.


* in today's vernacular, the term 'citizen' and the word 'consumer' are completely interchangeable.

The oligarchy always wins, always did, and always will

[doctordog]

And you are probably wrong. Frankly i could give two shits and a fuck about gun control. I just think it's funny how afraid Hog is. I can just see him in his lil bunker pissing himself.

That bunker would not be little!:lmao2:

[xav8terx]

That bunker would not be little!:lmao2:


LMFAO that is very true.

[Cookie]

My brother-in-law was at a 7/11 at 3 in the morning, sitting in his truck smoking. Along came a fellow who walked up to the window and told him to give him all his money. So, Mike said very timidly (although he's a former Marine who isn't scared of ANYTHING!) "my wallet is in the glove compartment, can I reach over and get it for you?" The jerk said yes, so he reached in and pulled out a 44 Magnum and aimed it right in his face. The crook was so scared, he took off running.

Proof that guns can actually stop the commission of a crime without even being fired.

:)

[Hog Trash]

So are you saying there is something wrong with living in gated communities? Is there something wrong with being successful and choosing to live in an area that requires residency to access?

Go ahead and enjoy your life in your doublewide Hog.. If that is what makes you happy go for it.Not a thing Zeb...Keeping your family safe is the number one priority regardless of how one does it.

Xav8terX seems to believe people who keep a gun for that purpose are in some way paranoid or cowards.

By his standard, people who live in gated communities would also be paranoid or cowards simply for taking precautionary measures.

I personaly don't think taking precautionary actions for your families safety indicates someone is necessarily a coward, do you Zeb?

Many, including those who live in trailer parks cannot afford armed security guards to protect them and keeping a gun for self defense is their only option.

[MintJulep]

My brother-in-law was at a 7/11 at 3 in the morning, sitting in his truck smoking. Along came a fellow who walked up to the window and told him to give him all his money. So, Mike said very timidly (although he's a former Marine who isn't scared of ANYTHING!) "my wallet is in the glove compartment, can I reach over and get it for you?" The jerk said yes, so he reached in and pulled out a 44 Magnum and aimed it right in his face. The crook was so scared, he took off running.

Proof that guns can actually stop the commission of a crime without even being fired.

:)Awesome story.

[doctordog]

Awesome story.

I agree:thumbsup:

[Zebulon0351]

Not a thing Zeb...Keeping your family safe is the number one priority regardless of how one does it.

I personaly don't think taking precautionary actions for your families safety indicates someone is necessarily a coward, do you Zeb?

Many, including those who live in trailer parks cannot afford armed security guards to protect them and keeping a gun for self defense is their only option.

You will not have any disagreement from me. I agree.

[Hog Trash]

Slumdog Millionaire is the best movie of 2008 and one of the best movies of all time. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The movie and the music won top awards...A must see-must hear.
lQGb9g4SY_I&feature
It is a story of undying love, raw courage and extreme survival in India...Three young orphaned children must survive to adulthood in the largest most dangerous ghetto in the world completely on their own after their parents are killed.

Their bond grows strong in their struggle to survive and the love between two of the children, a young boy and girl, developes that sends him on a relentless search to find her after they are seperated.

He knows she likes to watch the Indian version of an American TV show Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

Now a young man he manages to get on the show as a contestant but is not interested in the money, only the hope that the girl he loves and searches for will see him.

The questions are hard but he is able to answer them because each question relates to an incident in his life which is shown in flashbacks as the TV show progresses.

They believe he is cheating and is in danger of being booted from the show and arrested before he finds his love.

If by chance anyone has not seen this masterpiece, I suggest you do so...If at all possible try to see it on the big screen as it is much better.

[Thai Kimchi]

Slumdog Millionaire is the best movie of 2008 and one of the best movies of all time.

Does this mean you'll finally stop calling "those people" dot-heads ?

[Thai Kimchi]

Hell no nigger or wetback or what ever the fuck you are!

I just knew the end of world wasn't near. Fuk the dot-heads.

[Hog Trash]

I just knew the end of world wasn't near. Fuk the dot-heads.I know I'm just fuckin around and I suppose you know we're just fuckin around but that damn Smurf will come in my Blog with his damn political correctness and start deleting shit.

When it comes to Political Correctness, Smurf has no sense of humor whatsoever...Moderating has destroyed his capacity to reason not to mention his ability to have a good laugh.

[xav8terx]

Not a thing Zeb...Keeping your family safe is the number one priority regardless of how one does it.

Xav8terX seems to believe people who keep a gun for that purpose are in some way paranoid or cowards.
By his standard, people who live in gated communities would also be paranoid or cowards simply for taking precautionary measures.

I personaly don't think taking precautionary actions for your families safety indicates someone is necessarily a coward, do you Zeb?

Many, including those who live in trailer parks cannot afford armed security guards to protect them and keeping a gun for self defense is their only option.


I don’t think people that keep "A" gun or two are paranoid...but people that are obsessed with and have an arsenal in their garage are scared and paranoid...note the difference. If you feel you need a mini shot gun in your car...you know for the just incase scenario...you might be a little scared.

[DirtySanchez]

Most liberals have no idea they are the pawns of the marxists...They do their dirty work, promote their policies and ideologies, and elect their candidates and are never the wiser.

Liberals are the weaker more dependent class of Americans who are either the spoiled children of the wealthy and upper middle classes, the disallussioned and the slackers who simply can't make it on their own.

Also included are the latinos who arrive with their socialist baggage and minoritities who feel they are somehow owed a free ride because of historical attrocities and oppression and seek more than equality.

They have found the perfect home in the Democrat Party who promises them the wealth of the nation through the redistribution of that wealth and all for the price of their political loyalty and votes.

The Democrat Party says, "give us your votes and the power to nationalize and control the wealth of America and you will be rewarded with food, housing, clothing, education and medical care".

The wonderful promises they make are received by the poor ignorant masses believing their struggles are over and their saviors have arrived...All they need do is turn control of their lives over to the government in exchange for utopia.

The dumming down of America has helped to bring about a more trusting and gullible nation of compliant sheep who believe they are being fattened up for something other than the slaughter house. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_re_us/us_sat_scores;_ylt=AiOzbDdvDwDEQ1aAWGoLmD9H2ocA;_y lu=X3oDMTE1bG83b2VpBHBvcwMxBHNlYwN5bi1jaGFubmVsBHN sawNzYXRzY29yZXNkaXA-

The Republican Party isn't much better...In order to compete with all of the freebies the Democrats have offered the Republicans have had to resort to the socialist government spending tacitics of the competition.

They Republicans have been torn between their low tax political ideology and their new found big spending policies, resulting in a very large deficit...The Democrats, not having this problem, will spend the hell out of your money by taxing the hell out of your earnings.

The new dummed down Americans cannot connect the dots to free government handouts and who really pays for it...Even when the burden of these freebies are placed on big business, corporations and the wealthy they are then passed on to you the recipiant of those freebies.

All you have done is to turn control of those products and services over to Government/Big Brother which means you are now at the mercy of whatever they want to give you because you no longer have the option of free market competition vieing for your business.

Have you ever heard of a man named Norman Thomas?
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Norman.Thomas.Quote.FFB1
If socialism is what you truly desire then by all means keep pulling the Democrat lever at the voting booth.

If it is not then be aware that you are being manipulated and stop playing the part of a gullible sucker.

And above all keep in mind that nothing worth having is free...It's only a marxist fantasy to enslave you.

What is your problem? You need to actually research what you talk about before releasing all of this verbal diarrhea because this is nothing but SHIT! I implore you, please learn the differences between Marxism and socialism. Stop equating the two! I would love to read your opinions Hog; however, when you keep noting one incorrect fact after another, it destroys your credibility.

[Binky]

Awesome story.


A great story LL. And a damn good reason to not let them steal away our right to bear arms...:thumbsup:

[Binky]

Slumdog Millionaire is the best movie of 2008 and one of the best movies of all time. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The movie and the music won top awards...A must see-must hear.
lQGb9g4SY_I&feature
It is a story of undying love, raw courage and extreme survival in India...Three young orphaned children must survive to adulthood in the largest most dangerous ghetto in the world completely on their own after their parents are killed.

Their bond grows strong in their struggle to survive and the love between two of the children, a young boy and girl, developes that sends him on a relentless search to find her after they are seperated.

He knows she likes to watch the Indian version of an American TV show Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.

Now a young man he manages to get on the show as a contestant but is not interested in the money, only the hope that the girl he loves and searches for will see him.

The questions are hard but he is able to answer them because each question relates to an incident in his life which is shown in flashbacks as the TV show progresses.

They believe he is cheating and is in danger of being booted from the show and arrested before he finds his love.

If by chance anyone has not seen this masterpiece, I suggest you do so...If at all possible try to see it on the big screen as it is much better.


I don't think I've seen that one Hog. Sounds interesting tho'. And BTW, for a tough old codger, you actually seem to have a bit of a romantic side in you somewhere. Hmmmm..........what the heck is up with that Hoggy?

[Binky]

And you are probably wrong. Frankly i could give two shits and a fuck about gun control. I just think it's funny how afraid Hog is. I can just see him in his lil bunker pissing himself.


One thing for sure, Hog's ass would be protected, while yours, on the other hand, would be hanging out in the wind........:lmao2:

[slowhand]

I don't think I've seen that one Hog. Sounds interesting tho'. And BTW, for a tough old codger, you actually seem to have a bit of a romantic side in you somewhere. Hmmmm..........what the heck is up with that Hoggy?

Romantic??!!..You're killin' me :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

[xav8terx]

One thing for sure, Hog's ass would be protected, while yours, on the other hand, would be hanging out in the wind........:lmao2:



LMFAO, you republicans are funny people. That dipshit would be the one who gets shot by his own gun, so afraid of life, too afraid to squeeze the fuckin trigger!! I can't say i have high hopes for your boyfriend, but hey at least he will help slim the gene pool. :lmao2:

[ROdger Right]

Shouldn't you be slandering the founding fathers xav8terx?

POS=YOU

[Hog Trash]

What is your problem? You need to actually research what you talk about before releasing all of this verbal diarrhea because this is nothing but SHIT! I implore you, please learn the differences between Marxism and socialism. Stop equating the two! I would love to read your opinions Hog; however, when you keep noting one incorrect fact after another, it destroys your credibility.
Are you to lazy to look it up in the dictionary....Here, I made it easy for you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/socialism
so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm) n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.If you are really interested in knowing something about what you seem to believe in read this.

It only takes a couple minutes....Hmmm?....Why do I seriously doubt that you will read this???

Because people who believe as you do prefer being ignorant!

http://www.marianland.com/marx01.html
MARXIST FUNDAMENTALS

by Prof. Libor Brom

From "Where is your America?" by IMPRIMIS of Hillsdale College, Hillsdale, Michigan, 49242 Vol 11, No. 8., August 1982

The fact is that we live in a time of fateful challenges. As a people and a nation we are under test.

This challenge is, of course, Marxism-Leninism. There is no mystery in its strategies and tactics. It has always been concrete and spelled out in black and white. It has also been openly and actively tested in the economic, political, and ideological struggle for control around globe.

Lenin, the founder of the first Communist state, put it simply: "First we will take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia. We will encircle the last bastion of capitalism, the United States of America. We will not need to fight. It will fall as a ripe fruit into our hands." And, "We must practice coexistence with other nations, until we are strong enough to take over by means of world revolution.... We are not pacifists. Conflict is inevitable. Great political questions can be solved only through violence.... It is inconceivable that Communism and capitalism can exist side by side. Inevitably one must perish.''

Rykov, Lenin's successor in the Council of Soviet Commissars, corroborated: "It is our duty to inculcate in the minds of nations the theories of international friendship, pacifism, and disarmament, encouraging their resistance to military appropriations and training, without ever relaxing our own efforts in building our military equipment.''

Manuilsky, a prominent Soviet professor at the School of Political Warfare, said: "The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. We shall begln by Launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. There will be electrifying overtures and unheard-of concessions. The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends."

And Khrushchev, a more contemporary Soviet prime minister, said: "We cannot expect Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans doses of socialism until they suddenly awake to find out they have Communism.''

Today, Marxism-Leninism represents a most complex and powerful doctrine developed by Communist theoreticians and practitioners in every corner of the world. 'Its universal library offers dynamic political weapons and comprehensive theories, diversified approaches and seductive slogans. On one side of the globe, there is the Yugoslav moderate theory of reformed Communism and participative economy which lures masses into socialism. On the other side of the earth there are Chinese slogans which are more productive in inflaming a Communist revolution.

Marxism-Leninism is particularly effective on the semantic level where it exhibits a devastating duality. It lulls its adversaries to sleep, while at the same time it mobilizes its followers to revolutionary action. The Communist International's Seventh Congress concluded that open use of revolutionary terminology does not promote the Marxist-Leninist drive for world domination. Therefore, "revolution" has been changed into "liberation," "world conquest by the proletariat" has speen changed into "peace and socialism," "armed seizure of power and liquidation of the bourgeoisie" has been rephrased to read "peaceful and gradual transition to socialism.''

Even the word "Communism," which every revolutionary is so proud of, has been changed into "progressive, "anti-Fascist" or "liberal." Further, to confuse their adversaries, the Marxist-Leninists have devised a new language which uses old words in the basic vocabulary. When they say "imperialism arouses the wrath of the people and digs its own grave," they mean "through our manipulation of the local Communist parties, and with a vast auxiliary corps of dupes ; and sympathizers, we so arrange matters that the free enterprise system and democracy are destroyed from within. All we need to do is push it into the grave."

Thus, the free, complacent, conscience-stricken, guilt-ridden, sex-sodden, drug-driven, decadent, and often antagonistic societies have been manipulated by goal-oriented, dedicated, and shrewd Marxist-Leninist dialectics into a notorious period of so-called peaceful coexistence and plain overt hostilities. "Ditente" has become not the hope of free people everywhere, but rather their doom. "Ditente does not necessarily spell out the end of the struggle between the two social systems," says Pravda. "The struggle will continue between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie."
In other words, the so-called ditente is nothing more than a form of Marxist-Leninist art skillfully geared toward pacifying the American public by encouraging them to act ridiculously nice while the Communists kick the daylights out of them. The result is that the free world continues to shrink. Democracies cannot handle periods of low-tension confrontation. They have - an almost universal desire to believe that peace is the natural condition of man, that armies are temporary nuisances, that conflicts of interest can be dissolved simply by a policy of good will. Unfortunately, nothing is further from the truth; but for some reason free people prefer to believe it.

From "Where is Your America" by Libor Brom
Reprinted by permission from Imprimis, the monthly journal of Hillsdale College. August 1982, Vol. '', No. 8.The Marxist transition is proceeding as planned because of weak gullible suckers like you....You need to wise up!

[Bill Cosby]

Not very interesting nor very surprising...

ProfeZZer hog starts his lecture/cut & paste w/ other ppl's opinions- Brom not Marx..

I guess we can excuse it being a quarter of a century old as he likely still thinks it 1982...

[Binky]

LMFAO, you republicans are funny people. That dipshit would be the one who gets shot by his own gun, so afraid of life, too afraid to squeeze the fuckin trigger!! I can't say i have high hopes for your boyfriend, but hey at least he will help slim the gene pool. :lmao2:


:lmao2: :lmao2: Who's a repug? Maybe you, butthead.. And what gave you the idea Hog was my boyfriend? Are you kidding me? Where the hell did you get that? All I did was ask him what was up with what appeared to be a bit of romance in him. That's all, plain and simple enough even you should've been able to decipher its meaning you jackass.....

Next time you want to know what a jackass looks like, take a look in the mirror. What a putz!:punchballs:

[Binky]

Romantic??!!..You're killin' me :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:



Are you dead yet? Hopefully soon.....:lmao2:

[Captain Obvious]

Hog takes a lot of heat here.

I like Hog. He has some wisdom somewhere from within, and he's honest. Integrity.

Honesty - lot to be fucking said about that.

[Binky]

Hog takes a lot of heat here.

I like Hog. He has some wisdom somewhere from within, and he's honest. Integrity.

Honesty - lot to be fucking said about that.



Hog is ok. He's no dummy, like some others I can think of. Yep, gotta be something said for a man who tells it like he sees it and isn't scared shitless of the backlash he creates.

[Captain Obvious]

Hog is ok. He's no dummy, like some others I can think of. Yep, gotta be something said for a man who tells it like he sees it and isn't scared shitless of the backlash he creates.

Exactly.

He got trashed (pun intended) when he started this blog and I was sort of concerned that he might phase out. He hangs tough and keeps it real.

The man's got a lot of metal.

[slowhand]

Are you dead yet? Hopefully soon.....:lmao2:

You really know how to hurt a guy :lmao2:

[Binky]

Exactly.

He got trashed (pun intended) when he started this blog and I was sort of concerned that he might phase out. He hangs tough and keeps it real.

The man's got a lot of metal.

He most certainly does. More power to him..

[Binky]

You really know how to hurt a guy :lmao2:



:lmao2: Sorry, a weak moment of mine. I normally would never wish anyone dead......

[foxbaron]

I don’t think people that keep "A" gun or two are paranoid...but people that are obsessed with and have an arsenal in their garage are scared and paranoid...note the difference. If you feel you need a mini shot gun in your car...you know for the just incase scenario...you might be a little scared.


The "just in case scenario" is why every adult, male and female should be carrying a concealed weapon in this society.

We all have a duty to protect the innocent. The Police can't be everywhere and when it really does hit the fan, like in the L.,A. riots, the Police will not be around to bail your ass out.

Those that survived the riots with the least amount of damage or pilferring were the Koreans cause them little suckers know the meaning of self defense.

You are responsible for your own safety and can only pray someone nearby has the means to come to your aid when needed.

[Hog Trash]

"Those who use arms well, cultivate the Way and keep the rules.

Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt" -Sun Tzu.

[ROdger Right]

A mini shot gun? Shouldn't you be prepared with something that rips through kevlar? For the just in case secenerio.

[ROdger Right]

"Those who use arms well, cultivate the Way and keep the rules.

Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt" -Sun Tzu.

Nice quoate:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

"Those who use arms well, cultivate the Way and keep the rules.

Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt" -Sun Tzu.

Until they themselves become the corrupt:

gen Penochet, gen adi amin, gen mushariif, gen Shwe, etc.....

& the band plays on....

[Hog Trash]

Priorities and lifestyle will change with the progression of life and the addition of years...You are adapting mentally.

Many things you once enjoyed will no longer matter and things you thought necessary will no longer seem important.

The qualities you once thought were important when shopping for a car, a home, a friend or a mate will drasticly change.

Your friends and family will tell you you're getting old, but of course you will know you're simply adjusting to physical changes.

My education, my work and my family has kept me on the go my entire life it seems...Now, my new favorite thing to do is nothing.

[Captain Obvious]

Until they themselves become the corrupt:

gen Penochet, gen adi amin, gen mushariif, gen Shwe, etc.....

& the band plays on....

How many of those corrupt generals are from nations that forbid gun ownership?

[Bill Cosby]

How many of those corrupt generals are from nations that forbid gun ownership?

Good question I have no idea... DO you??

[Hog Trash]

How many of those corrupt generals are from nations that forbid gun ownership?All communist nations forbid gun ownership and all nations who are in transition by turning to socialism ban the ownership of guns by it's citizens.

Governments are 100% aware that once they adopt socialism it's just a matter of time before the people will revolt.

Socialism and communism cannot survive in an armed civilian populous.

[Hog Trash]

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under

the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist

program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without

knowing how it happened."

by: Norman Thomas
(1884-1968) six-time U.S. Presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America

Source: 1948 - from an interview during the presidential campaign,

[Ed. note: Norman Thomas and Gus Hall, the U.S. Communist Party
Candidate, both quit American politics, agreeing that the Republican
and Democratic parties had adopted every plank on the
Communist/Socialist and they no longer had an alternate party platform
on which to run.]This is an exerpt from an earlier post in this thread.

This quote desreves a post all to itself to make people aware of what's happening.

[Captain Obvious]

Good question I have no idea... DO you??

I'd say all of them - and the good Hog pointed out the thing about communism.

That's the thing with oppressive regimes - the corrupt ones tend to be those with few checks and balances and little citizen involvement.

The fact that people own guns is a natural antidote for this kind of oppression.

[Bill Cosby]

I'd say all of them - and the good Hog pointed out the thing about communism.

That's the thing with oppressive regimes - the corrupt ones tend to be those with few checks and balances and little citizen involvement.

The fact that people own guns is a natural antidote for this kind of oppression.

Nice to bad it does not play out.....

& I am not gonna sit here & let the hog have it both ways either....

The communist:lmao2: nation of Switzerland is a classic example.... :thumbsup:

A wealthy, multi-ethnic capital society par excellence... Citizens armed to the teeth.......... On one hand they are the supreme armed capitalist & when convenient they are vile commie for the hated socialist heath care system........

So take your pick son................... I guess even you & hog can see the contradictions...........

[Captain Obvious]

Nice to bad it does not play out.....

& I am not gonna sit here & let the hog have it both ways either....

The communist:lmao2: nation of Switzerland is a classic example.... :thumbsup:

A wealthy, multi-ethnic capital society par excellence... Citizens armed to the teeth.......... On one hand they are the supreme armed capitalist & when convenient they are vile commie for the hated socialist heath care system........

So take your pick son................... I guess even you & hog can see the contradictions...........

So you're basing your perception on the exception and not the norm?

You're being too generous to yourself.

And, how many of those gun-toting dictators are Swiss?

[Bill Cosby]

So you're basing your perception on the exception and not the norm?

You're being too generous to yourself.

And, how many of those gun-toting dictators are Swiss?Well I maybe but nonetheless it puts a whole in that theory...

& why not take another stab @....

How about the Canadians??? They less free than us???

The French???

His idea is stupid & you know it so stop...

I own guns... Guns are not fhe foundation of our nation nor the only thing keeping it free.. That is crazy talk from scared old men....

In the usa that land of mass murders & paranoid gun owners the ppl are afraid of the gov..........

In France the land of cowards (cough, cough) & unarmed communist the gov is afraid of the ppl.......... Now you tell me who is more free........

:hi:

[Captain Obvious]

Well I maybe but nonetheless it puts a whole in that theory...

& why not take another stab @....

How about the Canadians??? They less free than us???

The French???

His idea is stupid & you know it so stop...

I own guns... Guns are not fhe foundation of our nation nor the only thing keeping it free.. That is crazy talk from scared old men....

In the usa that land of mass murders & paranoid gun owners the ppl are afraid of the gov..........

In France the land of cowards (cough, cough) & unarmed communist the gov is afraid of the ppl.......... Now you tell me who is more free........

:hi:

First, Switzerland is a democratic republic - not communistic.

Second, I partly agree. The whole "stock up on guns and ammo in case there's a revolution" is kooky, but in general I believe that if governments (not necessarily ours) have armed citizens, they're less likely to have some crackpot, militaristic dictator govern with an iron fist.

Third, I have no idea what you're getting to in your last two paragraphs. Who's afraid of the government in the US? And how can we possibly be compared to France?

Makes no sense.

[Bill Cosby]

First, Switzerland is a democratic republic - not communistic.

Second, I partly agree. The whole "stock up on guns and ammo in case there's a revolution" is kooky, but in general I believe that if governments (not necessarily ours) have armed citizens, they're less likely to have some crackpot, militaristic dictator govern with an iron fist.

Third, I have no idea what you're getting to in your last two paragraphs. Who's afraid of the government in the US? And how can we possibly be compared to France?

Makes no sense.

Switzerland is the epitome of capitalism.. The commie part was sarcasm...:D

IMO armed citizens is a two edged sworn... Can work for yea or against yea...

Those armed citizens could in fact bring about the very thing they are supposedly against or trying to prevent... That French revolution seemed like a great idea in the beginning..

The point about France is that it is now a much less armed & much less militaristic society... Back in the late sixties students, workers etc took to the streets & got changes made as the gov was afraid of them...

There was no militias toting guns & all that... The gov is afraid of the ppl..... In the usa many of these right wing wackO's are afraid the gov is just waiting to come & get them.... (paranoid)..

Personally I would be/am much more worried up those nuts then the gov...

[Captain Obvious]

Switzerland is the epitome of capitalism.. The commie part was sarcasm...:D

IMO armed citizens is a two edged sworn... Can work for yea or against yea...

Those armed citizens could in fact bring about the very thing they are supposedly against or trying to prevent... That French revolution seemed like a great idea in the beginning..

The point about France is that it is now a much less armed & much less militaristic society... Back in the late sixties students, workers etc took to the streets & got changes made as the gov was afraid of them...

There was no militias toting guns & all that... The gov is afraid of the ppl..... In the usa many of these right wing wackO's are afraid the gov is just waiting to come & get them.... (paranoid)..

Personally I would be/am much more worried up those nuts then the gov...

France is very liberal. Their society is very catering to the masses, not like liberalism over here.

They have a fucking law that says you cannot work more than 35 hours a week - you can be fined. Fined! Like in thousands of dollars (or francs or whatever).

That's why I'm suggesting it's hard to compare our two.

As for your point about worrying about nuts stockpiling ammo and shit like that, that's a valid point. If the liberal fucks who want gun control would focus on these crackpots more than average schmucks like me who wants to get a couple handguns to shoot beer cans with, I wouldn't be as passionate about the gun control issue.

But from where I see it, liberals here are more concerned with gun control for the sake of fucking control - going after the regular guys like me instead of targeting the fucking nuts and criminals.

[Bill Cosby]

France is very liberal. Their society is very catering to the masses, not like liberalism over here.

They have a fucking law that says you cannot work more than 35 hours a week - you can be fined. Fined! Like in thousands of dollars (or francs or whatever).

That's why I'm suggesting it's hard to compare our two.

As for your point about worrying about nuts stockpiling ammo and shit like that, that's a valid point. If the liberal fucks who want gun control would focus on these crackpots more than average schmucks like me who wants to get a couple handguns to shoot beer cans with, I wouldn't be as passionate about the gun control issue.

But from where I see it, liberals here are more concerned with gun control for the sake of fucking control - going after the regular guys like me instead of targeting the fucking nuts and criminals.

Well I think we are essentially on the same page here........ :thumbsup:

I am not one of those that wanna disarm everyone... I am all for disarming criminals not law-abiding citizens.. I have a few myself. IMO that can not be argued away...

I think the problem comes in when they (left-right) take every issue to it extreme. Every damn time....

If I have to give up my bazooka they will want my .22 next...... Some weapons should be illegal & others not... They should have to have a back ground check......

[Captain Obvious]

I think the problem comes in when they (left-right) take every issue to it extreme. Every damn time....

The same can be said for global warming and probably a host of other issues.

[Hog Trash]

First, Switzerland is a democratic republic - not communistic.

Second, I partly agree. The whole "stock up on guns and ammo in case there's a revolution" is kooky, but in general I believe that if governments (not necessarily ours) have armed citizens, they're less likely to have some crackpot, militaristic dictator govern with an iron fist.

Third, I have no idea what you're getting to in your last two paragraphs. Who's afraid of the government in the US? And how can we possibly be compared to France?

Makes no sense.Switzerland is the most conservative nation in Europe.

It has moved left to centrist in the past few years but definately not communist.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0108012.html?pageno=3
Switzerland Joins the UN and Moves to the Right Politically
On Sept 10, 2002, the Swiss abandoned their long-held neutrality to become the 190th member of the UN.

In Oct. 2003, Switzerland took a turn to the right when the far-right Swiss People's Party (SVP) had the strongest showing in parliamentary elections, garnering 28% of the vote. Its virulently anti-immigration, anti-EU leader, Christopher Blocher, was given a cabinet position. The SVP fared well again in October 2007 elections, winning 29% of the vote and gaining seven seats in Parliament. The party took the most votes in general election history. Immigration dominated the election, and the SVP was accused of running a racist campaign. In December, the coalition that has run Switzerland since 1959 fell apart when the SVP withdrew from the government to protest Parliament's ouster of Blocher as justice minister. The move shifted the government to the center-left. Also in December, Parliament elected Pascal Couchepin as president.

[Bill Cosby]

Switzerland is the most conservative nation in Europe.



& they have a great fucking commie, socialist, communicable, did I say communist & socialistic, & vile yet &*#@$ healthcare system???????????????????

They out live us & have an awesome quality of life...... Even w/ all those guns...

hog is on the money..... Now he can explain that healthcare plan...:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

"When you come to the end of all the light you know,

and it's time to step into the darkness of the unknown,

faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen:

Either you will be given something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly."

-Edward Teller

[Bill Cosby]

“In a dangerous situation we have chosen the most dangerous of courses...we have chosen not to face our danger!”

...........................

[foxbaron]

Until they themselves become the corrupt:

gen Penochet, gen adi amin, gen mushariif, gen Shwe, etc.....

& the band plays on....


Which is why all citizens should be armed at all times.

The Second AMendment is what keeps that crap from happening here.

[Bill Cosby]

I agree we can have personal protection...

Me & you sitting in Taco Bell are not gonna stop a gov tank or jet from blowing it up & us along w/ it..

IMO our best defense against our gov is our feet on the street...>>>> Student, worker, Lower, upper & mostly middle class sayin NO MORE!!!

In the usa the ppl are afraid of the gov.. IN France the gov is afraid of the ppl... They did it w/ ppl power not guns... I think we can to......:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

Enjoy life. Think of all the women who passed up dessert on the Titanic.

- Anonymous

[foxbaron]

I agree we can have personal protection...

Me & you sitting in Taco Bell are not gonna stop a gov tank or jet from blowing it up & us along w/ it..

IMO our best defense against our gov is our feet on the street...>>>> Student, worker, Lower, upper & mostly middle class sayin NO MORE!!!

In the usa the ppl are afraid of the gov.. IN France the gov is afraid of the ppl... They did it w/ ppl power not guns... I think we can to......:thumbsup:



I think that France is afraid of their people because of their people's willingness to use violence against their government. Get enough folks out in the streets and you can do some serious damage as they have certainly done.

Look at what happens in America after the friggin home team wins. Now take that attitude by the majority of the American public who think their government is screwing them and imagine the damage we could do to not only our government but to ourselves.

Now add guns to the mix and we have some serious shit going on. The government better start paying attention to the people. The people are fed up and they know that violence is what gets attention. Hope to God we never get to that point.

[Bill Cosby]

Wellmy friend we do not agree here. Most of went down in France in the sixties was not about guns in the street but feet in the street- Millions of them...

If you get out there w/ guns you are inviting ppl to get shot...

Sorry I am not going to advocate that...

There is a lot that can & should be done before we start killing each other..

[Hog Trash]

Originally Posted by Bill Cosby
I agree we can have personal protection...

Me & you sitting in Taco Bell are not gonna stop a gov tank or jet from blowing it up & us along w/ it..

IMO our best defense against our gov is our feet on the street...>>>> Student, worker, Lower, upper & mostly middle class sayin NO MORE!!!

In the usa the ppl are afraid of the gov.. IN France the gov is afraid of the ppl... They did it w/ ppl power not guns... I think we can to......So I'm guessing you're cool with the tea party folks?

I suppose I can find no post by you critisizing them for putting their "feet on the street"?

[foxbaron]

Wellmy friend we do not agree here. Most of went down in France in the sixties was not about guns in the street but feet in the street- Millions of them...

If you get out there w/ guns you are inviting ppl to get shot...

Sorry I am not going to advocate that...

There is a lot that can & should be done before we start killing each other..


Wre aren't in disagreement, I am just saying that whether it is in France, the U.S. or anywhere else people have learned that violence is what get changes made. The only difference is we have the capacity to be more violent than any other country because they haven't taken our guns away.....................yet.

[Hog Trash]

Wre aren't in disagreement, I am just saying that whether it is in France, the U.S. or anywhere else people have learned that violence is what get changes made. The only difference is we have the capacity to be more violent than any other country because they haven't taken our guns away.....................yet.Be assured...The day will come when they will try.

When that day does come, it will be time to use them.

America will not go the way of Canada, England and Australia.

[Hog Trash]

If we could somehow rid ourselves of the liberals, what a clean, beautiful, friendly, peaceful,

prosperous, stress-free place America would be to live, love, work, play and raise our children.

-Hog

[MintJulep]

Be assured...The day will come when they will try.

When that day does come, it will be time to use them.

America will not go the way of Canada, England and Australia.No it will not. :thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

I'm listening to Obama tell me about his new healthcare plan...How could people have fallen for this guys bullshit.

He's got balls, you gotta give him that...He is standing here telling the most rediculous lies with a perfectly straight face.

He says he won't sign any plan that will increase the national debt one dime and any time it's over budget he will cut spending.

My belly is hurting from laughing so hard...He said no money will be spent on abortion and illegal aliens will not be covered by the plan.

I suppose he figures that can be slipped in down the road or he will just put them on the fast track to citizenship...What a piece of shit.

I can't believe you morons elected this fucking con artist as your president...Suckers!

[Bill Cosby]

So I'm guessing you're cool with the tea party folks?

I suppose I can find no post by you critisizing them for putting their "feet on the street"?

You talking to me.......... :lmao2: :lmao2:

You can look if you like... I have criticized them often...:thumbsup:

So what you need to focus on is this... From the beginning I supported those folks right to go out there & say what they wanted to.... I thought it novel to have the old & stale get out & have their day in the sun & all that...

What you will find is criticism of their messages... For the most part I thought they stunk.... Ppl w/ care denying others the same....

So I have clowned & mocked them... I have ridiculed them & some other things to I guess...

Good to feel you foot on my ass it has been a while... :D

[Bill Cosby]

Wre aren't in disagreement, I am just saying that whether it is in France, the U.S. or anywhere else people have learned that violence is what get changes made. The only difference is we have the capacity to be more violent than any other country because they haven't taken our guns away.....................yet.


LOL............ Well I wouldn't mind if they took some ppl's guns away.. The irresponsible & criminal....

If the time comes & ppl have to defend themselves I of course support that... I just want to be clear I don't support some offensive call to action... That must be a last, last resort to even think about.. SOme make that the first place they go...

Admittedly there are times when violence gets results... But that does not mean that the same goals could not have been accomplished another way..:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

If we could somehow rid ourselves of the liberals, what a clean, beautiful, friendly, peaceful,

prosperous, stress-free place America would be to live, love, work, play and raise our children.

-Hog

Yea last time they did that they called it the dark ages....

[slowhand]

I'm listening to Obama tell me about his new healthcare plan...How could people have fallen for this guys bullshit.

He's got balls, you gotta give him that...He is standing here telling the most rediculous lies with a perfectly straight face.

He says he won't sign any plan that will increase the national debt one dime and any time it's over budget he will cut spending.

My belly is hurting from laughing so hard...He said no money will be spent on abortion and illegal aliens will not be covered by the plan.

I suppose he figures that can be slipped in down the road or he will just put them on the fast track to citizenship...What a piece of shit.

I can't believe you morons elected this fucking con artist as your president...Suckers!

Nobody, I dont care what party they come from, is gonna solve the healthcare problems..Do you think those greedy fucks in the heathcare biz are about to give anything up?..They're..(the Dems and Repubs) are just humoring us

BTW..You morons elected Bush twice..Even Carter wasnt as bad as him..The fuckin bum cant even speak english for Christ sake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcE3HVRlRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcE3HVRlRs)

[Hog Trash]

BTW..You morons elected Bush twice..Even Carter wasnt as bad as him..The fuckin bum cant even speak english for Christ sake
You think you've got it all figured out, ain't that right slowhand? :lmao2:

You got the wrong Hog, boss...I have never ever voted for either Bush even once. :lmao2:

However, I would guess that you voted for Obama...Do you still loyally vote for the DemoPublican Party?

Have you maintained your blind faith in the DemoPublican Party believing they are the solution to the problem? :lmao2:

Brace yourself, einstein.....They are the problem! :lmao2:

[slowhand]

You think you've got it all figured out, ain't that right slowhand?

Ive been disabled for a while, so surfice to say, Ive had my experences with the healthcare system

You got the wrong Hog, boss...I have never ever voted for either Bush even once. :lmao2:

Fair enough

However, I would guess that you voted for Obama...Do you still loyally vote for the DemoPublican Party?

I dint get to vote, I was out of state during the election, but if I would have voted, I would have voted for Obama

Have you maintained your blind faith in the DemoPublican Party believing they are the solution to the problem? :lmao2:

I vote for who I think can get the job done..McCain is too trigger happy, and Palin..I dont think its a good idea for her to have the nuclear codes in McCains absence..Shes a flake, and a dysfunctional religious flake at that

My views are mostly libeal, and seperation of church and state is a big issue IMO..Theres enough religious despots fucking the world up with their religious beliefs..When they start hearing messages from God, the shit storms begin..Religion has brought more violence to the world than peace

Abortion..I wouldnt have one if I were a woman, and I would never encourage a woman to have one under unreasonable conditions..Rape, incest and mothers life in peril is another story..I know women who have had abortions, and if they're human, they live with the guilt and regrets..The presents of guilt tells me that its probably not a good idea..I take a neutral position on that issue

Brace yourself, einstein.....They are the problem! :lmao2:

They?..Who they?.."They", are all a bunch of fucking liars..They all make promises that they dont keep..Dems and Repubs..Take you pick

[Bill Cosby]

Nobody, I dont care what party they come from, is gonna solve the healthcare problems..Do you think those greedy fucks in the heathcare biz are about to give anything up?..They're..(the Dems and Repubs) are just humoring us

BTW..You morons elected Bush twice..Even Carter wasnt as bad as him..The fuckin bum cant even speak english for Christ sake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcE3HVRlRs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcE3HVRlRs)

Well said................. :thumbsup:

Both parties are more than willing to put out & they are sleeping w/ both..........

What is in the best interest of the taXpayer.... us in on page 29........ What these fucks want is the first 28 pages.... :mad:

[slowhand]

Well said................. :thumbsup:

Both parties are more than willing to put out & they are sleeping w/ both..........

What is in the best interest of the taXpayer.... us in on page 29........ What these fucks want is the first 28 pages.... :mad:

Thanks Bill!..When I look back at what the Bush Admin did, and got away with, and the only liberal who was interested in justice was Kucinich..then there's something terribly wrong here..Somebody is sleeping with somebody, and in this case it appears to be an orgy..The unacceptable, became the status quo

When the Dems took control of Congress in 2006, they didnt do shit..That was the canary in the mine shaft as far as Im concerned

Its still early for Obama, but so far I not seeing what I expected..When your mantra is "Change you can believe in", well thems mighty big shoes to fill..Either time will tell, or time is telling

[Hog Trash]

Don't you fucking cry babies ever get tired of whining about Bush?...Well I for one am sick of hearing about it!

Bush is gone and we now have a new problem even worse than the old problem...Welcome to the here and now!

I refer you to my signature below...\/

[Hog Trash]

but if I would have voted, I would have voted for Obama

They?..Who they?.."They", are all a bunch of fucking liars..They all make promises that they dont keep..Dems and Repubs..Take you pickIf you know this, then why do you continue voting for "a bunch of fucking liars..They all make promises that they dont keep..Dems and Repubs"???

You need to stop being concerned about abortion, religion, global warming and other issues that are not near as important as having an honest government.

When we once again have a government that doesn't lie, is not corrupt and not owned by the highest bidder, then you can begin petitioning them with your issues.

[Hog Trash]

We complain about the corruption the waste the lies and the ineffectiveness of government.

We suppoort our respective sides and place all blame on the other side and argue among ourselves.

They make great money, live in great homes, drive great cars, have great medical coverage and great retirement plans.

Despite everything we do and everybody we blame, government never changes...They win while we lose...What is the answer?

If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got.

If you really want "change" you have to make it happen yourself.

[Hog Trash]

Our rage waited patiently in the shadow of our sorrow.

-Hog

[Hog Trash]

I was watching the history channel this morning...They were doing a 9/11 story.

The program ended with a little girl about 5 years old starring out of her New York apartment window.

She turned slowly from the window and solemnly said in a soft quiet voice, "It's not there anymore mommy....The towers are gone".

At that moment I was more angry than I was on 9/11/2001...This is uncommon for Hog because I rarely get angry.

In my opinion anger is an unproductive emotion that rarely serves a purpose and results in unhealthy elevated stress levels.

But my anger was real and the frustration I felt was overwelming...My mind and emotions were filled with rage, hatred and revenge.

I wanted to snatch up the first goat-fucking rag-head that crossed my path and beat him into a bloody pulp untill he was unrecognizable as a human.

I wanted to call the government and tell them to nuke every middle eastern muslim city with a population of a half million people or more, without warning.

The most dangerous weapon that the evil people of the world possess is the power to bring the good people of the world down to their level of humanity.

[slowhand]

If you know this, then why do you continue voting for "a bunch of fucking liars..They all make promises that they dont keep..Dems and Repubs"???

You need to stop being concerned about abortion, religion, global warming and other issues that are not near as important as having an honest government.

When we once again have a government that doesn't lie, is not corrupt and not owned by the highest bidder, then you can begin petitioning them with your issues.

I would love to see honest govt..But as long as "we the people" continue to accept the unacceptable, nothing is going to change

As far as Bush goes, maybe you're tired of hearing the whining, but that SOB and his Admin got away with way too much..

They lied about Iraq during the mouning and shock of 9/11, a time when we needed faith in govt..and the faith wasnt there..Instead they took advantage of the publics fear and vulnerabilities.."Dont worry!..We'll prutec'ya..We'll smoke them thar rascals out..Ya'll jes' wait an' see"..Then they sent Colin Powell to the U.N. Security Council with a cock and bull story, and the Dems, they co-signed all this Iraq invasion bullshit..It has cost probably in the trillions by now, and its not over yet..What have we accomplished there?..We hung Saddam to save face..killed his sons..Imprisoned his henchmen, and put the Iraqi people in harms way since 2003, after 12 years of economic sanctions, and killed and maimed hundereds of thousands of Iraqi citizens, and thousands of our own troops, plus a host of other shit

Cheney, Rove, and Libby got away with treason, and Bush pardoned Libby for it

They bankrupted the country, took a good long shit on the constitution, the list goes on and on and on

Torture, illegal wire taps, Bin Laden still at large, $4.00 per gal gas and home heating oil..lies on top of lies on top of lies on top of lies

And we the people accepted it..So what has changed?..Now we can sit here and critisize Obama for 4 more years, and if he doesnt come through with this "Change you can believe in"..then what are we gonna do?..Accept that too?..Thats the trouble with this country..There are those of us who care about honest govt, then you've got the rest of the people who are fine with all this govt nonsense, so long as they can afford the payments on their gas guzzling SUV's, fill their swimming pools, fulfill the role of soccermoms in suburbia USA, and nobody gives a fuck..They read the paper, and then let their AKC registerd puppy mut have a good shit and a piss on it when theyre done, and life goes on, and their anology?.."Well..Ya cant fight City Hall"

And then you've got guys..and Ive heard it said with my own ears..They're gonna vote for McCain cuz that Sarah Palin is hot!!..What do we live in here?..A fucking looney bin?..Trouble with people in this country is they've had it too good for too goddamn long..and they're spoiled brats..As long as they get their needs met, have enough dough to maintain their toys, pay for their membership at the 19th hole, and get their palms greased real good on Friday, for fuckin the dog all week, nobody cares

And as long as that attitude persists..nothing is ever gonna change

[Hog Trash]

Same-O /Same-O...You have been brain-washed to forever repeat your standard programmed party lines!

Break free of your chains...Clear your head and take the path less traveled...Make a differance for a change.

[slowhand]

I was watching the history channel this morning...They were doing a 9/11 story.

The program ended with a little girl about 5 years old starring out of her New York apartment window.

She turned slowly from the window and solemnly said in a soft quiet voice, "It's not there anymore mommy....The towers are gone".

At that moment I was more angry than I was on 9/11/2001...This is uncommon for Hog because I rarely get angry.

In my opinion anger is an unproductive emotion that rarely serves a purpose and results in unhealthy elevated stress levels.

But my anger was real and the frustration I felt was overwelming...My mind and emotions were filled with rage, hatred and revenge.

I wanted to snatch up the first goat-fucking rag-head that crossed my path and beat him into a bloody pulp untill he was unrecognizable as a human.

I wanted to call the government and tell them to nuke every middle eastern muslim city with a population of a half million people or more, without warning.

The most dangerous weapon that the evil people of the world possess is the power to bring the good people of the world down to their level of humanity.

Well heres something to put another log on the fire...9/11 was not an act of aggression...it was an act of revenge, and weve got assholes like Rumsfeld to blame for that

Remember this?

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m250/slowhand_01/saddam_rummy.jpg


With friends like us, who needs enemies?

Im not saying that 3,000 people deserved to die on that day, because they sure as hell didnt..They were innocent bystanders..Victims

Take a good hard look back through our own history and dealings in the Middle East, and explain to me why them goat fucking rag heads wouldnt get angry enough to retaliate, for some of the shit we've pulled over there, dating all the way back to the Shah of Iran..We arent innocent in all of this..How would we like it, if some foriegn country came over here, and started meddling in our business?

Iran-Contra..remember that?

Honest gov't eh?

If you dont whine about the past, the past catches up to you, and history repeats itself
Call me anti -American or whatever the fuck you want..But if you dont treat the symptoms, then you cant cure the disease

They didnt slam those airplanes into those buildings for the hell of it

[Hog Trash]

Well heres something to put another log on the fire...9/11 was not an act of aggression...it was an act of revenge, and weve got assholes like Rumsfeld to blame for thatYou have just lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

Im not saying that 3,000 people deserved to die on that day, because they sure as hell didnt..They were innocent bystanders..VictimsWrong you fucking moron...They were not innocent bystanders...They were the actual targets of the cowards who murdered them.

If someone was to ever say something like what you just said to my face I would literally stomp the shit out of them without mercy.

The time I spent in jail would be filled with beautiful thoughts of him lying in the hospital recovering from the worst ass-whoopin anyone has ever suffered.

You're as bad as that commie fuckin Bill Cosby....Go suck Karl Marx cock you little pinko peter puffer.

[slowhand]

You have just lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with.

Wrong you fucking moron...They were not innocent bystanders...They were the actual targets of the cowards who murdered them.

If someone was to ever say something like what you just said to my face I would literally stomp the shit out of them without mercy.

The time I spent in jail would be filled with beautiful thoughts of him lying in the hospital recovering from the worst ass-whoopin anyone has ever suffered.

You're as bad as that commie fuckin Bill Cosby....Go suck Karl Marx cock you little pinko peter puffer.

Yeah..I figured as much from you Archie Bunker

You think this country is squeeky fucking clean dont you?..You are part of the disease, because you cannot, or will not face reality

Here Archie..chew on this for a while, and take a good look at how lily white we are in foreign affairs..This is compliments of the U.S. Govt National Security Achives

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ciachall.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/index.htm

There..Go an' shine up yur stompin shoes

Those motherfuckers got away with that..Bush Sr pardoned them..They loaded up South LA with cocaine to finance their little operation..Ollie North and the CIA that is..Besides, why should they give a flying fuck?..Who lives there?..Black people, thats who..Your govt isnt any less criminal than those goat fucking rag heads..They're not only criminal, they're fucking racist too

Go ahead Hog..Read it, and then tell me whats honorable about it

You talk about spending time in jail for stomping the shit out of people like me?..If ignorance was a crime, you'd get the fucking chair

Who's cock are you sucking? :lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

LOL!...You one dumb motherfucker!...LOL!...You gotta be from politicalgraveyard you moron!...LOL!

Get outa my fuckin blog you pussy fuckin liberal before I die laughin at ya! :lmao2: Pussy ass liberals! :lmao2:

[slowhand]

LOL!...You one dumb motherfucker!...LOL!...You gotta be from politicalgraveyard you moron!...LOL!

Get outa my fuckin blog you pussy fuckin liberal before I die laughin at ya! :lmao2: Pussy ass liberals! :lmao2:

No asswipe..Im from Rumblevillians

So I take it as a no..You're not gonna read through those links I posted..Am I correct?

You know why Hog?..You might have to face the truth..Here ignoramous..let me help you

[slowhand]

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ciachall.gifhttp://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/IMG/greybar.gif As CIA director John Deutch reviews his briefing papers for today's town meeting in Watts on the Contra/drug scandal, he faces a challenge and an opportunity. His challenge is to overcome the deep distrust of a community that firmly believes the CIA played some role in the advent of crack in the inner cities; his opportunity is to commit his furtive agency to a process of disclosure and accountability that is necessary to lay this scandal to rest.

Deutch's trip to South-Central Los Angeles is unprecedented; never before has a director of Central Intelligence left the CIA's heavily guarded headquarters in Langley, Va., to face intense public questions about the impact at home of a covert war abroad. Many of those questions are likely to be harsh and accusatory. As I witnessed while testifying at a hearing last month in Compton held by Rep. Juanita Millender McDonald, citizens of South-Central are outraged by press allegations linking CIA-backed counterrevolutionary groups in Nicaragua with drug traffickers involved in the proliferation of crack cocaine in California. Standard assurances that the agency will fully investigate the charges are unlikely to satisfy a community already suspicious of a cover-up. To bridge the deep fissures of distrust and to establish his agency's credibility, Deutch will have to do something that his predecessor, the late William Colby, attempted. Colby revealed the "family secrets," secrets about the CIA scandals of domestic spying, assassination and coup plots in the mid-1970s. Deutch must commit himself to do the same on the CIA Contra war.

He can start by acknowledging that the CIA did, in fact, knowingly and willingly work with drug dealers, CIA officials, according to the Contras themselves, did authorize one rebel group to take money and airplanes from a major Colombian trafficker; CIA officials did seek to protect a key Honduran "asset"--convicted of conspiracy to smuggle $40 million worth of cocaine into the U.S. to finance the assassination of the president of Honduras--from a lengthy prison sentence for fear he might spill the beans on covert operations; CIA officials did scheme with the White House to help Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega clean up his image, stained by a 20-year career as a henchman for the Medellin cartel, in return for Noriega's help in destabilizing the Sandinista government. To counter, extreme charges that the CIA targeted communities of color for crack distribution to finance the Contra war, Deutch must concede a different, but equally scandalous truth: the willingness of national security officials to consort with dope peddlers simply because they had a contribution to make to the covert war against Sandinista Nicaragua. It will be up to Deutch to convince those who have suffered from this chilling set of Cold War priorities that the CIA is now committed to preventing the criminalization of national security doctrine

He can begin with three steps toward openness and accountability: First, announce the immediate declassification of two previous, albeit cursory, CIA internal reviews of the Contras and drug trafficking. Although these are reported to exonerate the agency, they are likely to show what CIA officials knew and when they knew it. Second, commit to declassifying the forthcoming major report by the agency's inspector general, as well as all supporting documentation. Without full public access, there can be no accountability on the process, conclusions and recommendations of this investigation.

Finally, Deutch should invite those at today's town meeting and citizens across the country to engage the debate over the future of CIA "dirty wars," such as those fought in Indochina, Afghanistan and Central America, that incorporated drug trafficking as byproduct.


"In the name of supporting the Contras," the Senate committee that investigated the Contra-drug connection in the late 1980s concluded, U.S. officials "abandoned the responsibility our government has for protecting our citizens from all threats to their security and well-being." At minimum, Deutch will have to explain how and why this happened, and how he intends to keep it from happening again
. Presumably, when the director returns from Watts to Langley, he and his agency will have a better understanding of the real threats to the security and well-being of the citizens, communities and cities that our government purports to protect.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ciachall.htm

[xav8terx]

You have just lost all credibility, not that you had much to begin with..

Wow, complete denial of facts. You are truly lost aren't you?


Wrong you fucking moron...They were not innocent bystanders...They were the actual targets of the cowards who murdered them..

They were targets because of the choices the people you love so much (you know, the republicans) made asswipe.



If someone was to ever say something like what you just said to my face I would literally stomp the shit out of them without mercy..


LMFAO, what a fuckin internet tough guy you are. You couldn't beat your way out of a wet paper bag. I understand truth hurts your narrow views on life and your love for Republican points of view but please do try to pay attention to these facts.

The time I spent in jail would be filled with beautiful thoughts of him lying in the hospital recovering from the worst ass-whoopin anyone has ever suffered..


Your time would be spent suckin black cock. A little piece of shit, pussy ass libertarian would get his ass handed to him in jail. Your pathetic ass wouldn't last a week. That’s why you are so afraid of laws and such.

You're as bad as that commie fuckin Bill Cosby....Go suck Karl Marx cock you little pinko peter puffer.



Fuck you, and fuck your sad little views on "your" America...it no longer exists...it's not the 50's anymore dipshit.

[slowhand]

Documentation of Official U.S. Knowledge of
Drug Trafficking and the Contras

The National Security Archive obtained the hand-written notebooks of Oliver North, the National Security Council aide who helped run the contra war and other Reagan administration covert operations, through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed in 1989. The notebooks, as well as declassified memos sent to North, record that North was repeatedly informed of contra ties to drug trafficking.


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/IMG/doc.gif (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ccc1_1.gif) In his entry for August 9, 1985, North summarizes a meeting with Robert Owen ("Rob"), his liaison with the contras. They discuss a plane used by Mario Calero, brother of Adolfo Calero, head of the FDN, to transport supplies from New Orleans to contras in Honduras. North writes: "Honduran DC-6 which is being used for runs out of New Orleans is probably being used for drug runs into U.S." As Lorraine Adams reported in the October 22, 1994 Washington Post, there are no records that corroborate North's later assertion that he passed this intelligence on drug trafficking to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/IMG/doc.gif (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ccc2_1.gif) In a July 12, 1985 entry, North noted a call from retired Air Force
general Richard Secord in which the two discussed a Honduran arms warehouse from which the contras planned to purchase weapons. (The contras did eventually buy the arms, using money the Reagan administration secretly raised from Saudi Arabia.) According to the notebook, Secord told North that "14 M to finance [the arms in the warehouse] came from drugs."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/IMG/doc.gif (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ccc3_1.htm) An April 1, 1985 memo from Robert Owen (code-name: "T.C." for "The Courier") to Oliver North (code-name: "The Hammer") describes contra operations on the Southern Front. Owen tells North that FDN leader Adolfo Calero (code-name: "Sparkplug") has picked a new Southern Front commander, one of the former captains to Eden Pastora who has been paid to defect to the FDN. Owen reports that the officials in the new Southern Front FDN units include "people who are questionable because of past indiscretions," such as José Robelo, who is believed to have "potential involvement with drug running" and Sebastian Gonzalez, who is "now involved in drug running out of Panama."

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/IMG/doc.gif (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/ccc4a_1.htm) On February 10, 1986, Owen ("TC") wrote North (this time as "BG," for "Blood and Guts") regarding a plane being used to carry "humanitarian aid" to the contras that was previously used to transport drugs. The plane belongs to the Miami-based company Vortex, which is run by Michael Palmer, one of the largest marijuana traffickers in the United States. Despite Palmer's long history of drug smuggling, which would soon lead to a Michigan indictment on drug charges, Palmer receives over $300,000.00 from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Aid Office (NHAO) -- an office overseen by Oliver North, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Elliott Abrams, and CIA officer Alan Fiers -- to ferry supplies to the contras.

State Department contracts from February 1986 detail Palmer's work to transport material to the contras on behalf of the NHAO.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

[Hog Trash]

Do you know how old this shit is?...Move on...Get over it...Take it somewhere else bozo.

[xav8terx]

Do you know how old this shit is?...Move on...Get over it...Take it somewhere else bozo.



Those damn facts getting in the way again?

[slowhand]

Do you know how old this shit is?...Move on...Get over it...Take it somewhere else bozo.

Ok..9/11 is old too

Thats just more of the hypocritical whining you accuse everyone else of when they bring up the Bush Admin

9/11 happened on Dubya's watch..Its old news too..Why did you get so upset about 9/11 if its old news?

Dumbass!

[Hog Trash]

Those damn facts getting in the way again?Who cares?...The point is, I don't give a fuck about this shit.

We are faced with real problems right now and you dumb fucks wanna bug me with "Iran-Contra".

[slowhand]

Here Hog..Stick this in your trophy case

CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY INTO ALLEGED CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY INVOLVEMENT IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES CRACK COCAINE DRUG TRADE

Testimony of
Peter Kornbluh
Senior Analyst
National Security Archive
October 19, 1996

Congresswoman Juanita Millender-McDonald, members of the Black and Hispanic Caucus, and the Select Committee on Intelligence, I want to thank you for affording me the opportunity to both testify at, and be witness to, this important hearing.
The name of my organization, the National Security Archive, sounds like the type of government agency that might be involved in this scandal. I can assure you that we are not. We are a public interest documentation center, specializing in obtaining the declassification of internal national security documentation and making it available to Congress, to journalists and to concerned citizens to enhance the public debate over foreign policies that are conducted in our name but often without our knowledge.
The Archive--which is nonpartisan and does not take a position on legislation--often deals with documents that are classified TOP SECRET for national security reasons but that, in truth, have no real bearing on the security of our nation. Today, however, I am happy to have the opportunity to share with you declassified White House documents which indeed address a real and present danger to the national security of this country, to the security of our cities, of our households, and to the health, well- being and personal security of each and every citizen in this room-- the scourge of drugs.
Let me say at the outset that I cannot speak to, nor provide evidence for, the allegations that are stated and implied in the San Jose Mercury News stories. Internal U.S. government documents on the early years of the contra war that might shed light on the issues reported by Gary Webb have not been declassified. Hopefully, public pressure brought on the CIA, the Justice Department, the National Security Council and the Drug Enforcement Agency will result in the release of those documents.
But I can and will address the central premise of the story: that the U.S. government tolerated the trafficking of narcotics into this country by individuals involved in the contra war.
To summarize: there is concrete evidence that U.S. officials-- White House, NSC and CIA--not only knew about and condoned drug smuggling in and around the contra war, but in some cases collaborated with, protected, and even paid known drug smugglers who were deemed important players in the Reagan administrations obsessed covert effort to overthrow the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.
Exactly two years ago this weekend, this issue came up during Oliver North's failed run for Virginia's U.S. Senate seat. The Washington Post ran an article which I have included in your packet suggesting that North had failed to give important information on the contras and drugs to the DEA. In response, Mr. North called a press conference where he was joined by Duane Clarridge, the CIA official who ran the contra operations from 1981 through mid 1984, and the former attorney general of the United States, Edwin Meese III. Mr. North called it a "cheap political trick...to even suggest that I or anyone in the Reagan administration, in any way, shape or form, ever tolerated the trafficking of illegal substances." Mr. Clarridge claimed that it was a "moral outrage" to suggest that a Reagan Administration official "would have countenanced" drug trafficking. And Mr. Meese stated that no "Reagan administration official would have ever looked the other way at such activity."
The documentation, in which Mr. North, Mr. Clarridge and Mr. Meese all appear, suggests the opposite. Let me review it here briefly:

l) KNOWLEDGE OF DRUG SMUGGLING

Oliver North's own diaries, and internal memoranda written to him from his contra contact, reveal explicit reports of drugs trafficking.

On April 1, 1985, Oliver North was informed by his liaison with the contras, Robert Owen, that two of the commanders chosen by the FDN to run the southern front in Costa Rica were probably, or definitively "involved with drug running."

On July 12, 1985, Oliver North was informed that the contras were considering the purchase of arms from a supplier in Honduras. The $14 million that the supplier had used to finance the guns, "came from drugs."

On August 9, 1985, Oliver North was informed that one of the resupply planes being used by Mario Calero, the brother of the head of the largest contra group the FDN, was "probably being used for drug runs into [the] U.S."

On February 10, 1986, North was informed by his liaison Robert Owen that a plane being used to run materials to the contras was previously used to run drugs, and that the CIA had chosen a company whose officials had a criminal record. The company, Vortex Aviation, was run by Michael Palmer, one of the biggest marijuana smugglers in U.S. history, who was under indictment for ten years of trafficking in Detroit at the same time as he was receiving more than $300,000 in U.S. funds from a State Department contract to ferry "humanitarian" aid to the contras.
In not one of these cases, Congresswoman Millander- McDonald, is there any record of Oliver North passing this important intelligence information onto proper law enforcement or DEA officials. Out of the tens of thousands of documents declassified during the Iran-Contra investigations, there is not a telephone message slip, not a memo, not an e-mail, nor a letter.
We also know that Mr. North, who you remember thought it was a "neat idea" to use the Ayatollah Khomeini's money to fund the contras, was predisposed to use drug monies to fund the contras when they ran short of cash. In 1984, during a drug sting the DEA was attempting against leaders of the Medellin Cartel, he asked two DEA agents if $1.5 million in cartel money aboard an informants plane could be turned over to the contras. The DEA officials just said no.

2) PROTECTION FOR DRUG SMUGGLERS

The case of José Bueso Rosa demonstrates the lengths to which high White House and CIA officials were willing to go to protect an individual who fit the classic definition of a "narco- terrorist." General Bueso Rosa was involved in a conspiracy to import 345 kilos of coke into Florida--street value $40 million. Part of the proceeds were to be used to finance the assassination of the president of Honduras. I think most people in this room would agree that a major cocaine smuggler and would-be international terrorist such as General Bueso Rosa should be locked up for life. But because this general had been the CIA's and the Pentagon's key liaison in Honduras in the covert war against Nicaragua, North, Clarridge, and others in the Reagan administration sought leniency for him. As North put it in an e-mail message U.S. officials "cabal[ed] quietly to look at options: pardon, clemency, deportation, reduced sentence." The objective of our national security managers was not to bring the weight of the law down on General Bueso, but to "keep Bueso from...spilling the beans." By the way, he ended up serving less than five years in prison--in a white collar "Club Fed" prison in Florida.
3) COLLABORATION WITH DRUG SMUGGLERS

It is the documentation on U.S. relations with another Latin American general, General Manuel Noriega in Panama, that most clearly demonstrates the shameless attitude of the highest U.S. national security officials toward major drug smuggling into our cities. General Noriega is currently serving 40 years in prison for narcotics trafficking. All of us in this room remember that General Noriega's involvement with the Medellín Cartel was so significant that President Bush ordered the U.S. military to invade Panama to arrest him, at the cost of American lives, Panamanian lives and hundreds of millions of dollars.
The 1989 invasion of Panama was codenamed Operation Just Cause. But in 1986, when U.S. officials had the same evidence of Noriega's career as the Cartel's man in Panama, the Reagan administration appeared to have another kind of "Just Cause" with Gen. Noriega.
Shortly after the New York Times published a front page story titled "Panama Strongman Said to Trade in Drugs, Arms, and Illicit Money," General Noriega contacted Oliver North with a quid pro quo proposal: help him "clean up his image" and he would have his covert agents undertake major sabotage operations against economic targets inside Nicaragua.
Instead of telling Noriega that he should rot in jail--as most everybody in this room would have done--Oliver North supported this quid pro quo proposal; indeed North even wanted to pay General Noriega one million dollars, yes, one million dollars in money diverted from the sale of arms to Iran, to carry out these sabotage operations (which the contras would have then taken credit for). In one of the most striking, and candid, electronic mail messages ever written inside the White House, North wrote to his superior, National Security Adviser John Poindexter that

"You will recall that over the years Manuel Noriega and I have developed a fairly good relationship....The proposal sounds good to me and I believe we could make the appropriate arrangements."

And Admiral Poindexter authorized North to jet off to London to meet secretly with Noriega and work out the details on U.S. help to "clean up his image" and collaboration in the covert war. As Poindexter declared in his electronic response: "I have nothing against Noriega other than his illegal activities."
RECOMMENDATIONS:

Representative Millender-McDonald and other members of the panel, this is but some of the documented evidence we have of the attitudes and actions of high U.S. officials toward narcotics trafficking and traffickers during the covert war against Nicaragua. While these records do not address the issue of who knew what, when, here in California, they do demonstrate a rather shocking pattern of government behavior that demands an accounting.
The key question, it seems to me, is how that accounting can, and should take place over both the short and long term future. Allow me to conclude with several brief recommendations:
First, members of Congress should call on the President to authorize his Intelligence Oversight Board to conduct a six month inquiry into the questions of official knowledge, tolerance, and complicity in drug trafficking during the covert operations against Nicaragua during the 1980s. With all due respect to the inspector general of the Justice Department and the CIA, an internal investigation is not likely to result in the public disclosure of information required to lay this scandal to rest. The Intelligence Oversight Board is a far more independent body, and far more likely to conduct a thorough investigation that can be declassified along with supporting documentation for a public accounting.
Second, while you, and other Representatives patiently wait on CIA director John Deutch to complete his internal review, you should demand that the CIA immediately declassify a previous internal investigation and report that the agency completed in 1988. This report is already known to exonerate the CIA of wrongdoing. But declassifying it, and all the files on which it was built, is likely to give us a far greater sense of CIA awareness of contra/drug operations, and the action or inaction of Agency officials in the face of this awareness over the course a many years. If the CIA doesn't have anything to hide, it should have no problem releasing this documentation. Its refusal to do so up till now, I suggest to you, should set off the alarm bells throughout the halls of Congress.
Third, a number of files should be released by the Justice Department immediately. Those include files that were not turned over to the Senate Subcommittee chaired by John Kerry in 1987 and 1988, particularly the files related to the so-called Frogman case in San Francisco. Similarly the Justice Department should release its never-filed indictment against Norwin Meneses and all of the supporting prosecution files that went into drafting that indictment, as well as all records relating to why that indictment was never filed and is now locked away in a vault in San Francisco.
Fourth, all DEA investigative records on Meneses and Danilo Blandón should be declassified immediately. In the case of Blandón, the DEA must also release the files on his informant status, including documentation on the deliberations to make him a high- paid informant. The U.S. intelligence community just devoted considerable resources to addressing the scandal of the CIA paying a known torturer and assassin in Guatemala as an informant. Having a major California drug dealer on the U.S. payroll as an informant strikes me as demanding at least as an equal accounting.
Finally, let me say that although the National Security Archive takes no position on legislation, I would personally hope that the political and social organization and mobilization that has been generated by public concern and the commitment of individuals like Rep. Millender-McDonald, Rep. Maxine Waters, Senator Barbara Boxer and others, will address the broader debate over the future of covert operations and intelligence reform. When you think about it, all of the CIA's major covert wars--in Indochina, in Afghanistan, and in Central America--have had as their byproducts drug trafficking and addiction. As the issue we are addressing here today suggests, all too often, covert operations conducted against some obscure enemy abroad have returned home to haunt the very people whose security they are ostensibly designed to protect.
This scandal provides an opportunity--and a challenge--for the American public to protect themselves from their protectors so that five, ten, or twenty years from now, we will not be sitting again in this gymnasium attempting to redress future crimes of state. Thank you.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/pktstmny.htm

[slowhand]

Who cares?...The point is, I don't give a fuck about this shit.

We are faced with real problems right now and you dumb fucks wanna bug me with "Iran-Contra".

You are the one who said he wants "honest govt"

What is different about dishonest govt then, and now?

Iran-Contra was an atrocity, one of the most treasonous and criminal acts ever committed by our govt, and you have the balls to say.."Who cares?"

When I hear you bitchin about Obama, in 2012, Im gonna say the same fucking thing..Who cares?

[slowhand]

Who cares?...The point is, I don't give a fuck about this shit.

We are faced with real problems right now and you dumb fucks wanna bug me with "Iran-Contra".

This scandal provides an opportunity--and a challenge--for the American public to protect themselves from their protectors so that five, ten, or twenty years from now, we will not be sitting again in this gymnasium attempting to redress future crimes of state. Thank you.


Same as it ever was..Same as it ever was..Same as it ever was

[slowhand]

Who cares?...The point is, I don't give a fuck about this shit.

Close your eyes

Its 1986

The Iran-Contra Affair story has broken

A political scandal in the United States which came to light in November 1986, in which senior US figures agreed to facilitate the sale of arms to Iran the subject of an arms embargo, to secure the release of hostages and to fund Nicaraguan Contras

The CIA did, in fact, knowingly and willingly work with drug dealers, CIA officials, according to the Contras themselves, did authorize one rebel group to take money and airplanes from a major Colombian trafficker; CIA officials did seek to protect a key Honduran "asset"--convicted of conspiracy to smuggle $40 million worth of cocaine into the U.S. to finance the assassination of the president of Honduras

CIA officials did scheme with the White House to help Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega clean up his image, stained by a 20-year career as a henchman for the Medellin cartel, in return for Noriega's help in destabilizing the Sandinista government. To counter, extreme charges that the CIA targeted communities of color for crack distribution to finance the Contra war

Imagine the President is Barack Obama

Do you give a fuck now Hogwash?

[TitusPullo]

Ha! Dont hold them accountable, hold obama accountable... whats wrong with you people?

the past my friends, is worthless. The lessons of history and subsequent pardoning of TRAITORS is the american way.

Dont worry about it until its too late, these people arent afraid of retribution via the legal system, so public outrage will keep them honest...:rolleyes:

[slowhand]

LOL!...You one dumb motherfucker!...LOL!...You gotta be from politicalgraveyard you moron!...LOL!

Get outa my fuckin blog you pussy fuckin liberal before I die laughin at ya! :lmao2: Pussy ass liberals! :lmao2:


Ban me :lmao2:

[slowhand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9bClEwPNas

Who cares??

[ROdger Right]

We sold arms to Iran, how is this even controversy?
Hee is a list of countirees we havent sold arms to.

Countries with out milataries.

[ROdger Right]

Shouldn't slowhand be talking about us propusly flying over another countries air space to kill people like in Pakistan?

Hasnt the CIA killed American presidents too?
So what makes south American ones special?

[slowhand]

Shouldn't slowhand be talking about us propusly flying over another countries air space to kill people like in Pakistan?

Hasnt the CIA killed American presidents too?
So what makes south American ones special?

I see..So you see nothing wrong with Iran-Contra..So then you probably dont give a shit about Bush Pardoning Scooter Libby for treason...or lying to us about Iraq..BTW, did they find those WMD's yet?

The list goes on....Here, take your pick

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bush_administration_scandals


Theres nothing worse than minimizing, and/or accepting and/or denying criminal activity, and irresponsible fuck ups in govt, just because your party is guilty of it..I am not exactly thrilled with Obama's performance so far..By the same token, the man was left with a clusterfuck mess from day one..Im not seeing "Change you can believe in" yet, and just because Im a liberal, doesnt mean that Im gonna call his performance anything but what it is..Im not gonna defend any politician when they fuck up, whether it is accidentally, or deliberately..If they cant do their job, then they dont belong there

[slowhand]

We sold arms to Iran, how is this even controversy?
Hee is a list of countirees we havent sold arms to.

Countries with out milataries.

Thanks for setting the story straight

Did the CIA traffic cociane when they sold arms to those other countries?

Here..maybe you didnt read this before you opened your yap

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CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY INTO ALLEGED CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY INVOLVEMENT IN THE SOUTH CENTRAL LOS ANGELES CRACK COCAINE DRUG TRADE

Testimony of
Peter Kornbluh
Senior Analyst
National Security Archive
October 19, 1996

Congresswoman Juanita Millender-McDonald, members of the Black and Hispanic Caucus, and the Select Committee on Intelligence, I want to thank you for affording me the opportunity to both testify at, and be witness to, this important hearing.
The name of my organization, the National Security Archive, sounds like the type of government agency that might be involved in this scandal. I can assure you that we are not. We are a public interest documentation center, specializing in obtaining the declassification of internal national security documentation and making it available to Congress, to journalists and to concerned citizens to enhance the public debate over foreign policies that are conducted in our name but often without our knowledge.
The Archive--which is nonpartisan and does not take a position on legislation--often deals with documents that are classified TOP SECRET for national security reasons but that, in truth, have no real bearing on the security of our nation. Today, however, I am happy to have the opportunity to share with you declassified White House documents which indeed address a real and present danger to the national security of this country, to the security of our cities, of our households, and to the health, well- being and personal security of each and every citizen in this room-- the scourge of drugs.
Let me say at the outset that I cannot speak to, nor provide evidence for, the allegations that are stated and implied in the San Jose Mercury News stories. Internal U.S. government documents on the early years of the contra war that might shed light on the issues reported by Gary Webb have not been declassified. Hopefully, public pressure brought on the CIA, the Justice Department, the National Security Council and the Drug Enforcement Agency will result in the release of those documents.
But I can and will address the central premise of the story: that the U.S. government tolerated the trafficking of narcotics into this country by individuals involved in the contra war.
To summarize: there is concrete evidence that U.S. officials-- White House, NSC and CIA--not only knew about and condoned drug smuggling in and around the contra war, but in some cases collaborated with, protected, and even paid known drug smugglers who were deemed important players in the Reagan administrations obsessed covert effort to overthrow the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.
Exactly two years ago this weekend, this issue came up during Oliver North's failed run for Virginia's U.S. Senate seat. The Washington Post ran an article which I have included in your packet suggesting that North had failed to give important information on the contras and drugs to the DEA. In response, Mr. North called a press conference where he was joined by Duane Clarridge, the CIA official who ran the contra operations from 1981 through mid 1984, and the former attorney general of the United States, Edwin Meese III. Mr. North called it a "cheap political trick...to even suggest that I or anyone in the Reagan administration, in any way, shape or form, ever tolerated the trafficking of illegal substances." Mr. Clarridge claimed that it was a "moral outrage" to suggest that a Reagan Administration official "would have countenanced" drug trafficking. And Mr. Meese stated that no "Reagan administration official would have ever looked the other way at such activity."
The documentation, in which Mr. North, Mr. Clarridge and Mr. Meese all appear, suggests the opposite. Let me review it here briefly:

l) KNOWLEDGE OF DRUG SMUGGLING

Oliver North's own diaries, and internal memoranda written to him from his contra contact, reveal explicit reports of drugs trafficking.

On April 1, 1985, Oliver North was informed by his liaison with the contras, Robert Owen, that two of the commanders chosen by the FDN to run the southern front in Costa Rica were probably, or definitively "involved with drug running."

On July 12, 1985, Oliver North was informed that the contras were considering the purchase of arms from a supplier in Honduras. The $14 million that the supplier had used to finance the guns, "came from drugs."

On August 9, 1985, Oliver North was informed that one of the resupply planes being used by Mario Calero, the brother of the head of the largest contra group the FDN, was "probably being used for drug runs into [the] U.S."

On February 10, 1986, North was informed by his liaison Robert Owen that a plane being used to run materials to the contras was previously used to run drugs, and that the CIA had chosen a company whose officials had a criminal record. The company, Vortex Aviation, was run by Michael Palmer, one of the biggest marijuana smugglers in U.S. history, who was under indictment for ten years of trafficking in Detroit at the same time as he was receiving more than $300,000 in U.S. funds from a State Department contract to ferry "humanitarian" aid to the contras.
In not one of these cases, Congresswoman Millander- McDonald, is there any record of Oliver North passing this important intelligence information onto proper law enforcement or DEA officials. Out of the tens of thousands of documents declassified during the Iran-Contra investigations, there is not a telephone message slip, not a memo, not an e-mail, nor a letter.
We also know that Mr. North, who you remember thought it was a "neat idea" to use the Ayatollah Khomeini's money to fund the contras, was predisposed to use drug monies to fund the contras when they ran short of cash. In 1984, during a drug sting the DEA was attempting against leaders of the Medellin Cartel, he asked two DEA agents if $1.5 million in cartel money aboard an informants plane could be turned over to the contras. The DEA officials just said no.

2) PROTECTION FOR DRUG SMUGGLERS

The case of José Bueso Rosa demonstrates the lengths to which high White House and CIA officials were willing to go to protect an individual who fit the classic definition of a "narco- terrorist." General Bueso Rosa was involved in a conspiracy to import 345 kilos of coke into Florida--street value $40 million. Part of the proceeds were to be used to finance the assassination of the president of Honduras. I think most people in this room would agree that a major cocaine smuggler and would-be international terrorist such as General Bueso Rosa should be locked up for life. But because this general had been the CIA's and the Pentagon's key liaison in Honduras in the covert war against Nicaragua, North, Clarridge, and others in the Reagan administration sought leniency for him. As North put it in an e-mail message U.S. officials "cabal[ed] quietly to look at options: pardon, clemency, deportation, reduced sentence." The objective of our national security managers was not to bring the weight of the law down on General Bueso, but to "keep Bueso from...spilling the beans." By the way, he ended up serving less than five years in prison--in a white collar "Club Fed" prison in Florida.
3) COLLABORATION WITH DRUG SMUGGLERS

It is the documentation on U.S. relations with another Latin American general, General Manuel Noriega in Panama, that most clearly demonstrates the shameless attitude of the highest U.S. national security officials toward major drug smuggling into our cities. General Noriega is currently serving 40 years in prison for narcotics trafficking. All of us in this room remember that General Noriega's involvement with the Medellín Cartel was so significant that President Bush ordered the U.S. military to invade Panama to arrest him, at the cost of American lives, Panamanian lives and hundreds of millions of dollars.
The 1989 invasion of Panama was codenamed Operation Just Cause. But in 1986, when U.S. officials had the same evidence of Noriega's career as the Cartel's man in Panama, the Reagan administration appeared to have another kind of "Just Cause" with Gen. Noriega.
Shortly after the New York Times published a front page story titled "Panama Strongman Said to Trade in Drugs, Arms, and Illicit Money," General Noriega contacted Oliver North with a quid pro quo proposal: help him "clean up his image" and he would have his covert agents undertake major sabotage operations against economic targets inside Nicaragua.
Instead of telling Noriega that he should rot in jail--as most everybody in this room would have done--Oliver North supported this quid pro quo proposal; indeed North even wanted to pay General Noriega one million dollars, yes, one million dollars in money diverted from the sale of arms to Iran, to carry out these sabotage operations (which the contras would have then taken credit for). In one of the most striking, and candid, electronic mail messages ever written inside the White House, North wrote to his superior, National Security Adviser John Poindexter that

"You will recall that over the years Manuel Noriega and I have developed a fairly good relationship....The proposal sounds good to me and I believe we could make the appropriate arrangements."

And Admiral Poindexter authorized North to jet off to London to meet secretly with Noriega and work out the details on U.S. help to "clean up his image" and collaboration in the covert war. As Poindexter declared in his electronic response: "I have nothing against Noriega other than his illegal activities."
RECOMMENDATIONS:

Representative Millender-McDonald and other members of the panel, this is but some of the documented evidence we have of the attitudes and actions of high U.S. officials toward narcotics trafficking and traffickers during the covert war against Nicaragua. While these records do not address the issue of who knew what, when, here in California, they do demonstrate a rather shocking pattern of government behavior that demands an accounting.
The key question, it seems to me, is how that accounting can, and should take place over both the short and long term future. Allow me to conclude with several brief recommendations:
First, members of Congress should call on the President to authorize his Intelligence Oversight Board to conduct a six month inquiry into the questions of official knowledge, tolerance, and complicity in drug trafficking during the covert operations against Nicaragua during the 1980s. With all due respect to the inspector general of the Justice Department and the CIA, an internal investigation is not likely to result in the public disclosure of information required to lay this scandal to rest. The Intelligence Oversight Board is a far more independent body, and far more likely to conduct a thorough investigation that can be declassified along with supporting documentation for a public accounting.
Second, while you, and other Representatives patiently wait on CIA director John Deutch to complete his internal review, you should demand that the CIA immediately declassify a previous internal investigation and report that the agency completed in 1988. This report is already known to exonerate the CIA of wrongdoing. But declassifying it, and all the files on which it was built, is likely to give us a far greater sense of CIA awareness of contra/drug operations, and the action or inaction of Agency officials in the face of this awareness over the course a many years. If the CIA doesn't have anything to hide, it should have no problem releasing this documentation. Its refusal to do so up till now, I suggest to you, should set off the alarm bells throughout the halls of Congress.
Third, a number of files should be released by the Justice Department immediately. Those include files that were not turned over to the Senate Subcommittee chaired by John Kerry in 1987 and 1988, particularly the files related to the so-called Frogman case in San Francisco. Similarly the Justice Department should release its never-filed indictment against Norwin Meneses and all of the supporting prosecution files that went into drafting that indictment, as well as all records relating to why that indictment was never filed and is now locked away in a vault in San Francisco.
Fourth, all DEA investigative records on Meneses and Danilo Blandón should be declassified immediately. In the case of Blandón, the DEA must also release the files on his informant status, including documentation on the deliberations to make him a high- paid informant. The U.S. intelligence community just devoted considerable resources to addressing the scandal of the CIA paying a known torturer and assassin in Guatemala as an informant. Having a major California drug dealer on the U.S. payroll as an informant strikes me as demanding at least as an equal accounting.
Finally, let me say that although the National Security Archive takes no position on legislation, I would personally hope that the political and social organization and mobilization that has been generated by public concern and the commitment of individuals like Rep. Millender-McDonald, Rep. Maxine Waters, Senator Barbara Boxer and others, will address the broader debate over the future of covert operations and intelligence reform. When you think about it, all of the CIA's major covert wars--in Indochina, in Afghanistan, and in Central America--have had as their byproducts drug trafficking and addiction. As the issue we are addressing here today suggests, all too often, covert operations conducted against some obscure enemy abroad have returned home to haunt the very people whose security they are ostensibly designed to protect.
This scandal provides an opportunity--and a challenge--for the American public to protect themselves from their protectors so that five, ten, or twenty years from now, we will not be sitting again in this gymnasium attempting to redress future crimes of state. Thank you.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...2/pktstmny.htm (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/pktstmny.htm)

[ROdger Right]

haha Cia trafficing drugs

So i guess people think its concidense that vietnam at the time and Afghanistan now are the number one prodcers of opioum or heroin, as that is what the last form turns into.

Im sure if you tried to bring it to court you would indeed find your self with out a beating heart.

[ROdger Right]

Oh BTW I woulda hung scooter libby from a tree

[slowhand]

Oh BTW I woulda hung scooter libby from a tree


Dont waste my time sonny

[ROdger Right]

Dont waste my time sonny

Im sure in your mind you can see nothing but party lines.

[Bill Cosby]

Well rog I imagine given enough beer & shots you would of hung lots of ppl...

cheers

[slowhand]

Im sure in your mind you can see nothing but party lines.

Theres nothing worse than minimizing, and/or accepting and/or denying criminal activity, and irresponsible fuck ups in govt, just because your party is guilty of it..I am not exactly thrilled with Obama's performance so far..By the same token, the man was left with a clusterfuck mess from day one..Im not seeing "Change you can believe in" yet, and just because Im a liberal, doesnt mean that Im gonna call his performance anything but what it is..Im not gonna defend any politician when they fuck up, whether it is accidentally, or deliberately..If they cant do their job, then they dont belong there

Do you read anything Rodger?

[Hog Trash]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.

Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. 1759-Benjamin Franklin,

[Hog Trash]

"The more you read about politics, the more you got to admit that each party is worse than the other."

- Will Rogers

[Hog Trash]

Many people were aware of this excluding liberals and many democrats untill this years election of Obama.

More people are becoming aware now...There may be a light at the end of the tunnel...Let's cross our fingers and pray.

Hopefully this is an indication that people will wise up, the bickering will soon end and the DemoPublicans will finally be ousted.

[Bill Cosby]

"The more you read about politics, the more you got to admit that each party is worse than the other."

- Will Rogers

I like Willie.....

Kinda semi-modern Mark Twain...

In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.

Mark Twain (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Mark_Twain/31)

[Bill Cosby]

Many people were aware of this excluding liberals and many democrats untill this years election of Obama.

More people are becoming aware now...There may be a light at the end of the tunnel...Let's cross our fingers and pray.

Hopefully this is an indication that people will wise up, the bickering will soon end and the DemoPublicans will finally be ousted.

So then we will be left w/ what when the two parties are gone???

[ROdger Right]

Just the man

[foxbaron]

So then we will be left w/ what when the two parties are gone???


Start new parties, the assholes we have are not getting the job done and we need to replace each and every one of them. There is far too much corruption and insider crap going on. The only hope we all have is to replace them all and then hold them accountable on a daily basis.

Set up a system to be able to immediately remove them from office, if necessary.

Stop all, and I mean all, lobbyist activity. Make it illegal.

Require all members of Congress to certify that they have read a bill before they vote on it. If they have not read it then their vote should be an automatic NO.

Require a daily log be posted of every single person that meets with a member of Congress and the reason for the meeting and the amount of any contribution made as a result of that meeting and then put the Congressman and the donor in jail for bribery.

No more pork barrel projects, period. If it is not good for America it's not good, period. America first, your stinking district second.

America is no longer "FOR SALE" to the highest bidder.

Wiretaps on all Congressional Telephones, office, home and cell phones. Catch them in the act.

Routine surveillance on all members of Congress, tell the American people who they are meeting with and under what circumstances.

Make Congress subject to all laws they pass and eliminate their retirement package.

Make Congress and their families subject to whatever health care laws they pass.

Make the bribery of a Congressman a violation of State Law as well as Federal Law and allow any law enforcment agency or Officer to bring charges as appropriate. No more having to go to the U.S. Attorney and having to ask, "Mommy may I". Nail their asses. Get politics out of law enforcement.

Make Congresss accountable for what they do, every single friggin day of their lives.

Time to get rid of the so called "royalty" in this Country.

The American Public is sick of the bullshit. Politics seems to be an excuse for anything and everything. If you make a campaign promise you damn well better live up to it or you pay the consequences. Cut out this crap about, it was just campaign rhetoric. That is no longer an excuse or justification for lying your ass off to the citizens. You promise it, you better deliver it or be able to explain why you can't. We are not stupid, we understand the difference between what you would like to be able to do and what you actually can do, just don't promise something you know you can't deliver because it sounds good.

Be honest with us. Tell us like it is. WE actually can handle it.

Respect the opinion of others, you actually may not have the answer.

But always, always remember the five greatest words ever spoken by a military man during the Katrina debacle. 'DON'T GET STUCK ON STUPID".

This is the man we should have elected as our President, and he is black too, but he is wise, experienced and knows about things like honesty, integrity, espirit de corps, accountability, honor, duty, country, and he has an abundance of common sense and doesn't couch his words in political correctness. He tells it like it is and makes no apology for his straight forwardness. He is a man's man and an individual, regardless of color, one who people can follow without hesitation, because he comes across as a man of honor and integrity, not something we can say about our current President.

This is the character of the man we need in politics today.

[Hog Trash]

Alot of what you wrote is a little extreme but it is preferrable to the anarchy that is the basis of the rules that govern government.

The Washington elites that we elect now make their own rules and have free reign with no accountability for their actions and corruption.

The American people should never have aloud this shit to get this far out of hand...Why now people ask?...Because it has finally come to a head.

:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

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[Bill Cosby]

Start new parties, the assholes we have are not getting the job done and we need to replace each and every one of them. There is far too much corruption and insider crap going on. The only hope we all have is to replace them all and then hold them accountable on a daily basis.

Set up a system to be able to immediately remove them from office, if necessary.

Stop all, and I mean all, lobbyist activity. Make it illegal.

Require all members of Congress to certify that they have read a bill before they vote on it. If they have not read it then their vote should be an automatic NO.

Require a daily log be posted of every single person that meets with a member of Congress and the reason for the meeting and the amount of any contribution made as a result of that meeting and then put the Congressman and the donor in jail for bribery.

No more pork barrel projects, period. If it is not good for America it's not good, period. America first, your stinking district second.

America is no longer "FOR SALE" to the highest bidder.

Wiretaps on all Congressional Telephones, office, home and cell phones. Catch them in the act.

Routine surveillance on all members of Congress, tell the American people who they are meeting with and under what circumstances.

Make Congress subject to all laws they pass and eliminate their retirement package.

Make Congress and their families subject to whatever health care laws they pass.

Make the bribery of a Congressman a violation of State Law as well as Federal Law and allow any law enforcment agency or Officer to bring charges as appropriate. No more having to go to the U.S. Attorney and having to ask, "Mommy may I". Nail their asses. Get politics out of law enforcement.

Make Congresss accountable for what they do, every single friggin day of their lives.

Time to get rid of the so called "royalty" in this Country.

The American Public is sick of the bullshit. Politics seems to be an excuse for anything and everything. If you make a campaign promise you damn well better live up to it or you pay the consequences. Cut out this crap about, it was just campaign rhetoric. That is no longer an excuse or justification for lying your ass off to the citizens. You promise it, you better deliver it or be able to explain why you can't. We are not stupid, we understand the difference between what you would like to be able to do and what you actually can do, just don't promise something you know you can't deliver because it sounds good.

Be honest with us. Tell us like it is. WE actually can handle it.

Respect the opinion of others, you actually may not have the answer.

But always, always remember the five greatest words ever spoken by a military man during the Katrina debacle. 'DON'T GET STUCK ON STUPID".

This is the man we should have elected as our President, and he is black too, but he is wise, experienced and knows about things like honesty, integrity, espirit de corps, accountability, honor, duty, country, and he has an abundance of common sense and doesn't couch his words in political correctness. He tells it like it is and makes no apology for his straight forwardness. He is a man's man and an individual, regardless of color, one who people can follow without hesitation, because he comes across as a man of honor and integrity, not something we can say about our current President.

This is the character of the man we need in politics today.

I agree w/ your point... :D

Color is not an issue...

Politicians-Color, like politics is a matter of convenience just like their cold blooded counterpart the chameleon

I think many of the things your seeking is what is lacking in most politicians.. If not all..... Ppl by nature have issues but this process seems to exasperate that..

How do we prevent the new boss from turning into the old boss....... That seems to happen a lot....;)

[slowhand]

Alot of what you wrote is a little extreme but it is preferrable to the anarchy that is the basis of the rules that govern government.

The Washington elites that we elect now make their own rules and have free reign with no accountability for their actions and corruption.

The American people should never have aloud this shit to get this far out of hand...Why now people ask?...Because it has finally come to a head.

:thumbsup:

Came to a head now?..Where the fuck have you been?..Its been outa hand for decades

The Warren Commission Report

Vietnam

Shootings at Kent State University

Watergate

Nixon's pardon by Ford

Iran Contra

Bush Sr's pardonings of the Iran Contra traitors

Whitewater

The air quality at ground zero

Walter Reed

Iraq War lies

Plamegate

Alberto Gonsaleves firing of 8 US Attorneys

Enron

Haliburton

Fannie and Freddie

No bid cotracts

The Mortgage crisis

Want more?

This has been going on for a long fucking time sonny..The worst thing Obama has done is hand out too much bail out money..Fucking apples and oranges..When he committs treason, then you've got something that justifies the level of name calling and bitching and whining that you are cronically spewing..Your mind is about as open as a crabs ass..When a conservative fucks up, you dismiss it, but when a liberal fucks up, you develop diahrea of the mouth

[Hog Trash]

Came to a head now?..Where the fuck have you been?..Its been outa hand for decades
I've been right here taking it all in bro...All of the things you mentioned that happened before is absolutely true and is what led up to it "coming to a head".

That's what I've been saying...The people were fed up and Obama's very convincing promise to "Change" things gave them hope...They are beggining to see him for what he really is.

They have taken a look at his big spending-big government policies and the people that he has surrounded himself with and they realize it's just more of the same, only worse.

They have seen his promises of a government you can trust, transparency and his audacity of hope turn into more of the same old corrupt bullshit of "you scratch my back and I'll scatch yours".

The people want their back scratced...If he had been properly vetted by the press before hand they would have known that he is just another piece of shit politician like the rest, only more so.

The people who new of his true self but still supported his far left politics are still infatuated with him but the rest of American's tolerence level for bad government and American values has "come to a head".

It's about fuckin time...I think, I hope American's have finally woke up and have begun demanding a government that works for America instead of special interests and itself...It appears to be catching on.

I am a life long independent who has been fed up with the lies and corruption of Washington and the DemoPublican Party my entire political life...It's easy to see what's wrong when you disconnect.

[slowhand]

I've been right here taking it all in bro...All of the things you mentioned that happened before is absolutely true and is what led up to it "coming to a head".

That's what I've been saying...The people were fed up and Obama's very convincing promise to "Change" things gave them hope...They are beggining to see him for what he really is.

They have taken a look at his big spending-big government policies and the people that he has surrounded himself with and they realize it's just more of the same, only worse.

They have seen his promises of a government you can trust, transparency and his audacity of hope turn into more of the same old corrupt bullshit of "you scratch my back and I'll scatch yours".

The people want their back scratced...If he had been properly vetted by the press before hand they would have known that he is just another piece of shit politician like the rest, only more so.

The people who new of his true self but still supported his far left politics are still infatuated with him but the rest of American's tolerence level for bad government and American values has "come to a head".

It's about fuckin time...I think, I hope American's have finally woke up and have begun demanding a government that works for America instead of special interests and itself...It appears to be catching on.

I am a life long independent who has been fed up with the lies and corruption of Washington and the DemoPublican Party my entire political life...It's easy to see what's wrong when you disconnect.

Amen..Something we can agree on..Im sick of the corruption in Washington D C too, and it doesnt matter to me which party is guilty..If we the people knew what really goes on behind the scenery, it would scare the fuck out of us..What we do know is scarey enough..The people have allowed corruption to be swept under the rug for too long, and have accepted it..What is it going to take to wake the country up, and stop bickering over party loyalties, and see the truth for what it is?

Ive noticed that you can buck heads about partisan ship till the cows come home, but when you make a statement that they're all a bunch of fucking liars, you can hear the crickets chirping

[Hog Trash]

Amen..Something we can agree on..Im sick of the corruption in Washington D C too, and it doesnt matter to me which party is guilty..If we the people knew what really goes on behind the scenery, it would scare the fuck out of us..What we do know is scarey enough..The people have allowed corruption to be swept under the rug for too long, and have accepted it..What is it going to take to wake the country up, and stop bickering over party loyalties, and see the truth for what it is?

Ive noticed that you can buck heads about partisan ship till the cows come home, but when you make a statement that they're all a bunch of fucking liars, you can hear the crickets chirpingYou may be sick of the corruption but your solution is a continuance of the problem.

To continue supporting the DemoPublican party indicates a complete lack of awareness of our dilemma.

If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got...You want change you gotta make it happen yourself.

[slowhand]

You may be sick of the corruption but your solution is a continuance of the problem.

To continue supporting the DemoPublican party indicates a complete lack of awareness of our dilemma.

If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got...You want change you gotta make it happen yourself.

I am aware of the problem, and I know what is gonna happen in 2012 if Obama doesnt deliver..The Repubs will run Bozo the Clown and win..Back to square one again..You seem to hate liberals, and lean towards the right..Every time Ive critisized the Repubs, you've come unglued, so what message are you sending me about supporting the Demopublicans?

Untill there is a third party, worthy of clean govt, with enough organization, and power


What other choice was there besides Nader?..Nader had about as much chance of getting elected as a snowball in a frying pan..McCain had his sites set on escalting the war in the Middle East by invading Iran, and if he was to roll over, that would put Palin at the helm, with access to the nuclear codes..I dont think thats a good idea at all

[foxbaron]

And that HOG, is the problem.

We are all guilty of continuing to support these two parties which is why we now need a third and fourth party and maybe even a fifth. As long as these two parties continue to ignore the people they are leaving us with no other options.

We also need to demand that Congress pass an understandable, no frills, ethics laws for themselves that leaves no wiggle room and nothing open to interpretation. A law that can be understod by the citizen not the lawyer. One that has severe penalties for intentional violations and that is investigated by an independent party, not by the Congress.

There are more than enough professional investigators out here that could be utilized to establish an Ethics Investigation Unit. The members should be appointed by their respective States and have civil service protection that prevents a Governor or any other politician from being able to remove them from their job without just cause. Keep it away from any federal control yet give them federal as well as state authority.

We gotta figure out some way to clean out the pig pen we have come to know as the Congress of the United States. These guys are an embarrasment to the American Public.

[Bill Cosby]

We are all guilty of continuing to support these two parties which is why we now need a third and fourth party and maybe even a fifth. .

Good point... A third party is just not gonna work............ We on the left & you on the right both want a new option... & are unlikely to agree what that shoudl be...

So why not two-five or ten....???

Works for me.. Works for every other democracy....

We have a two party dictatorship- I think most of us can agree on that....... They are pimping their constituency (wallstreet/money) not us. Fuck them both..........

[Hog Trash]

I am aware of the problem, and I know what is gonna happen in 2012 if Obama doesnt deliver..The Repubs will run Bozo the Clown and win..Back to square one again..You seem to hate liberals, and lean towards the right..Every time Ive critisized the Repubs, you've come unglued, so what message are you sending me about supporting the Demopublicans?

Untill there is a third party, worthy of clean govt, with enough organization, and power


What other choice was there besides Nader?..Nader had about as much chance of getting elected as a snowball in a frying pan..McCain had his sites set on escalting the war in the Middle East by invading Iran, and if he was to roll over, that would put Palin at the helm, with access to the nuclear codes..I dont think thats a good idea at allThe only republican you will ever see me defend is one that I consider a true conservative that does not put the party above their principles...They are extremely rare.

Ron Paul is definately one of them...I suspect Sarah Palin is one but I don't know if she could remain that way after going to Washington...That is the true test of character.

And no I don't like liberals....They are disgusting lowlife pussy weaklings and the ignorant pawns of the marxist.

[grihyfu]

Alot of what you wrote is a little extreme but it is preferrable to the anarchy that is the basis of the rules that govern government.

The Washington elites that we elect now make their own rules and have free reign with no accountability for their actions and corruption.

The American people should never have aloud this shit to get this far out of hand...Why now people ask?...Because it has finally come to a head.

:thumbsup:
I am glad to find your site - now I know what a good one looks like.
Very good topic to share with us. Great info.:lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

I am glad to find your site - now I know what a good one looks like.
Very good topic to share with us. Great info.:lmao2:Intelligent readers and posters are treated with respect at HogBlog....At least by other intelligent people.

[Hog Trash]

"The trouble with socialists is that they let their bleeding hearts go to their bloody heads."

- Tommy Douglas

[Bill Cosby]

I am glad to find your site - now I know what a good one looks like.
Very good topic to share with us. Great info.:lmao2:

Welcome aboard.. May ti be all you hoped & more........ :thumbsup:

:hi:

:D

[Binky]

Well, Hog, it seems your blog is still surviving. You have many more posts than others. Hmmmm, is it because the hate is thriving much better here than elsewhere?

It seems for someone who is so hated by his fellow posters, there are many that still love to sling the bullpucky with you.......guess they don't hate you as much as they claimed.......:lmao2: and are full of poop......:thumbsup:

Or, maybe they just love to hate, for hates sake.....:lmao2:

[Binky]

Amen..Something we can agree on..Im sick of the corruption in Washington D C too, and it doesnt matter to me which party is guilty..If we the people knew what really goes on behind the scenery, it would scare the fuck out of us..What we do know is scarey enough..The people have allowed corruption to be swept under the rug for too long, and have accepted it..What is it going to take to wake the country up, and stop bickering over party loyalties, and see the truth for what it is?

Ive noticed that you can buck heads about partisan ship till the cows come home, but when you make a statement that they're all a bunch of fucking liars, you can hear the crickets chirping


Pardon me here. I just have to :lmao2: :lmao2: for a second. Since nobody wants to admit their party members are equally as fucked up as the others, there will most certainly be the deafening sound of silence, where all one can hear are those famous crickets. :thumbsup:

[foxbaron]

THey are all lying to us which is why we need to replace them all, in both parties.

[Binky]

THey are all lying to us which is why we need to replace them all, in both parties.


And they've been doing it for decades....how about that? I wonder if there are those that didn't know that......hmmmm. I bet some would beg to differ.....:thumbsup:

[Hog Trash]

"Veni, Vidi, Velcro" ( I came, I saw, I stuck around ).

- unknown

[Hog Trash]

No doubt, race relations have been declining ever since the day Obama took office.

Every dissagreement, ridicule or critisim of Obama, his administration or his policies are met with accusations of racism.

People are basicly being told, they either must agree with Obama or face the shame of being labeled a "racist".

What I once was sure of as friendly, pro-Obama journalism may actually be nothing more than a terrified press.

Pretty much everyone except Fox News is afraid to do any honest or critical reporting on the new POTUS.

American voters of all races came out in droves to elect the first black president and those same people are now called racist if they dare critisize him.

White Americans for the most part have passed the test of breaking down the race barriers and have shown the world how color blind they truely are.

The touble is the liberals and the black race have now shown the world how color conscience they have always been and still are.

White Americans have proven they were ready for a president of color but sadly the minorities were not up to the task of putting race and racism behind them.

I think we must examine the possibility that liberal America and black America are not ready for a black president.

They have sought to use race as a weapon to promote their politics and policies instead of as a banner to unite us as one people with one label...Americans.

[Hog Trash]

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[slowhand]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcgdAiZtOI

[Hog Trash]

Do you realize that you waste alot of your time bashing Bush...He is such a non-issue...The man is gone thank god.

You will hardly find anyone, anywhere who will dissagree or argue with your critisizms of the lowlife piece of corrupt shit.

It's time that you move on to the new problem at hand instead of wasting your precious time being distracted by an old problem.

When the wonderful day finally comes that we rid ourselves of Obama, the last thing I will want is to see him, hear of him or speak of him.

[slowhand]

Do you realize that you waste alot of your time bashing Bush...He is such a non-issue...The man is gone thank god.

You will hardly find anyone, anywhere who will dissagree or argue with your critisizms of the lowlife piece of corrupt shit.

It's time that you move on to the new problem at hand instead of wasting your precious time being distracted by an old problem.

When the wonderful day finally comes that we rid ourselves of Obama, the last thing I will want is to see him, hear of him or speak of him.

Now we can move on.....

[Hog Trash]

Now we can move on.....Did you ever take the time to read my signature below?

[slowhand]

Did you ever take the time to read my signature below?

Yes..I catch your drift

[Hog Trash]

The young do not know enough to be prudent, and therefore they attempt the impossible-and achieve it, generation after generation.

- Pearl S. Buck

[ROdger Right]

My generation will destroy America top that old man hgahahhahaha

[Hog Trash]

My generation will destroy America top that old man hgahahhahahaHave you been drinking ROdger?

[Hog Trash]

"There is more stupidity around than hydrogen and it has longer shelf life."

- Frank Zappa

[CosmicRocker]

"There is more stupidity around than hydrogen and it has longer shelf life."

- Frank Zappa
Frank did NOT tolerate stupidity.

I partied backstage one time with him after a show.

He was a very serious guy about his music.

So much so he was explaining his concepts....but i was stoned and forgot what he said.

[Hog Trash]

The New World Bible..................Hmmm?.................I wonder?
kZe9IHUOr6E

[Hog Trash]

Frank did NOT tolerate stupidity.

I partied backstage one time with him after a show.

He was a very serious guy about his music.

So much so he was explaining his concepts....but i was stoned and forgot what he said.Donchu go where the eskimos go and donchu eat that yellow snow! :thumbsup:

[MarkMiller]

Frank did NOT tolerate stupidity.

I partied backstage one time with him after a show.

He was a very serious guy about his music.

So much so he was explaining his concepts....but i was stoned and forgot what he said.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hog Trash]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What if Zappa told CR to go pack and come back the next day to go on a world tour with the band?

Ah hell naaa!.....We don't even wanna think about that!

[CosmicRocker]

Donchu go where the eskimos go and donchu eat that yellow snow! :thumbsup:
The horn player ( Bruce Fowler?) was busy diagramming harmonic scales on the board. We all nodded politely, as we were tripping, and had no clue

Frank was waxing about his short term upbrinigng in Baltimore - where I'm from.

He was telling me about how the move to Ca. gave him more access to studios, musicians.

frank liked all kinds of music, even Spike Jones.

[Hog Trash]

“That which is striking and beautiful is not always good, but that which is good is always beautiful”

-Ninon de L'Enclos.

[Hog Trash]

The horn player ( Bruce Fowler?) was busy diagramming harmonic scales on the board. We all nodded politely, as we were tripping, and had no clue

Frank was waxing about his short term upbrinigng in Baltimore - where I'm from.

He was telling me about how the move to Ca. gave him more access to studios, musicians.

frank liked all kinds of music, even Spike Jones.I'm happy to see it all came back to you my friend.

To go blank on a once in a lifetime experiance would truely be a loss.

[CosmicRocker]

I'm happy to see it all came back to you my friend.

To go blank on a once in a lifetime experiance would truely be a loss.
Ya. but that's really all i remember, tripping my butt off,
at at University of Md. Baltimore Campus.
That and passing around a joint backstage.
There was about 4 ? of my friends at the college concert.

Dry concert. no booze allowed on campus.
a friend broke into the Ratskeller ( campus bar) and stole 3 cases of beer, which I had to help him carry to the car.
We got drunk and thrown off campus -completely trashed and missed a lot of the concert. But we partied with Frank, so it worked out.

[Binky]

My generation will destroy America top that old man hgahahhahaha


Yeah, that's really something to laugh about. Truth is stranger than fiction.:(

[Hog Trash]

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved."

- Helen Keller

These wise words of Helen Keller are dedicated to Sarah Palin for the undeserved hatred and trials she has endured and the storm ahead she must navigate...She is on a mission.

Her enemies are powerful...They are an organized journalism and entertainment industry backed by the wealth and unlimited media exposure of Hollywood...The attacks on her will escalate.

In the next 36 months Americans will be witness to the biggest campaign of hate in history...May her courage and conviction be rewarded, for her success will bring about the salvation of America.

[Hog Trash]

The Palin Plan

Sarah Palin has resigned from her elected position of Governor of Alaska. Mrs Palin, her husband and children and even grandchildren have been under attack by jounalist, the media and democrat and liberal attack organizations since her bid for the Vice-Presidency in 2008.

They fear she is a political threat to their golden black boy, Barack Hussein Obama. Their fear has escalated into hatred unlike anything I have ever witnessed before. Frivolous lawsuits have brought on a $500,000 debt for legal fees to fight these petty accusations.

The constant battle to defend herself against these lame charges took her away from her duties as Alaska's Governor. As everyone is aware, she resigned so that Alaskans might once again have a full time Governor.

She has also indicated alternative reasons. Her popularity among the average folks have made possible opportunities to earn money to pay off her families legal debts by payed speaking engagements, appearances and a book contract.

She has also indicated a desire to travel the country to campaign and promote conservative cadidates in an effort to return Washington DC to the bounderies of the Constitution, small government, personal responsibilty and keeping within the limits of a strict budget...Conservatism.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/24/us/politics/24palin.html

Cameron Sinclair, another speaker at the event, said Mrs. Palin emphasized the need for a grassroots rebirth of the Republican Party driven by party leaders outside Washington.


She is aware that the Republican Party does not and has not practiced anything that remotely resembles Conservatism for a very long time. In order to return to conservatism we must have a political party that represents those conservative values.

This is something that both the Democrat and Republican parties do not desire. They enjoy the large amount of money that flows through Washington DC and their greedy little hands. The majority of their political carreers are spent trying to figure out how to divert a portion of that money into their pockets.

Palin realizes that the established republicans holding office and controlling the party must be voted out of office and replaced with people who will practice conservative politics once in office. Her plan to travel the nation and promote candidates to this end is her goal. The Republican Party will fight her every step of the way.

Yes, it is her ambition to run for president in 2012. The Republican party will never support or endorse her. This is another important reason for her to remake the Republican Party through a change of leadership. Enough true conservatives must hold office to render the corruption obsolete.

Sarah Palin is the biggest threat to the Washington power structure in a very long time...She presents a threat to their long reign of corruption that has robbed America of it's wealth, power, and freedom...The elites will attempt to buy her off and if she refuses to sell out, she and her family will be viciously attacked from every side.

Do not succumb to the lies, deception and propaganda that is coming. Anyone that is feared and hated so much by the present power structure should be held in high regard by the average American. The more they attack, the more you should ignore.

If she sells out it will be obvious. We will hear it in her words...We will see it in who she endorses...We will sense it in her strength of conviction...Her fire will no longer be real, but manufactured. At the moment she is thermo-nuclear. Sold-out politicians are easy to spot when you know what to look for.

[xav8terx]

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved."

- Helen Keller

These wise words of Helen Keller are dedicated to Sarah Palin for the undeserved hatred and trials she has endured and the storm ahead she must navigate...She is on a mission.

Her enemies are powerful...They are an organized journalism and entertainment industry backed by the wealth and unlimited media exposure of Hollywood...The attacks on her will escalate.

In the next 36 months Americans will be witness to the biggest campaign of hate in history...May her courage and conviction be rewarded, for her success will bring about the salvation of America.



Wow dude. Just grab her picture, jerk off to it and then shut the fuck up about it.

[xav8terx]

The Palin Plan

Sarah Palin has resigned from her elected position of Governor of Alaska. Mrs Palin, her husband and children and even grandchildren have been under attack by jounalist, the media and democrat and liberal attack organizations since her bid for the Vice-Presidency in 2008.

They fear she is a political threat to their golden black boy, Barack Hussein Obama. Their fear has escalated into hatred unlike anything I have ever witnessed before. Frivolous lawsuits have brought on a $500,000 debt for legal fees to fight these petty accusations.

The constant battle to defend herself against these lame charges took her away from her duties as Alaska's Governor. As everyone is aware, she resigned so that Alaskans might once again have a full time Governor.

She has also indicated alternative reasons. Her popularity among the average folks have made possible opportunities to earn money to pay off her families legal debts by payed speaking engagements, appearances and a book contract.

She has also indicated a desire to travel the country to campaign and promote conservative cadidates in an effort to return Washington DC to the bounderies of the Constitution, small government, personal responsibilty and keeping within the limits of a strict budget...Conservatism.


She is aware that the Republican Party does not and has not practiced anything that remotely resembles Conservatism for a very long time. In order to return to conservatism we must have a political party that represents those conservative values.

This is something that both the Democrat and Republican parties do not desire. They enjoy the large amount of money that flows through Washington DC and their greedy little hands. The majority of their political carreers are spent trying to figure out how to divert a portion of that money into their pockets.

Palin realizes that the established republicans holding office and controlling the party must be voted out of office and replaced with people who will practice conservative politics once in office. Her plan to travel the nation and promote candidates to this end is her goal. The Republican Party will fight her every step of the way.

Yes, it is her ambition to run for president in 2012. The Republican party will never support or endorse her. This is another important reason for her to remake the Republican Party through a change of leadership. Enough true conservatives must hold office to render the corruption obsolete.

Sarah Palin is the biggest threat to the Washington power structure in a very long time...She presents a threat to their long reign of corruption that has robbed America of it's wealth, power, and freedom...The elites will attempt to buy her off and if she refuses to sell out, she and her family will be viciously attacked from every side.

Do not succumb to the lies, deception and propaganda that is coming. Anyone that is feared and hated so much by the present power structure should be held in high regard by the average American. The more they attack, the more you should ignore.

If she sells out it will be obvious. We will hear it in her words...We will see it in who she endorses...We will sense it in her strength of conviction...Her fire will no longer be real, but manufactured. At the moment she is thermo-nuclear. Sold-out politicians are easy to spot when you know what to look for.


And you claim the left can't get over her...fuckin funny. Careful old man, you might have a heart attack if you keep this high school crush goin.

[Hog Trash]

And you claim the left can't get over her...fuckin funny. Careful old man, you might have a heart attack if you keep this high school crush goin.It's all to obvious....Just follow the trail of hate.

[slowhand]

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved."

- Helen Keller

These wise words of Helen Keller are dedicated to Sarah Palin for the undeserved hatred and trials she has endured and the storm ahead she must navigate...She is on a mission.

Her enemies are powerful...They are an organized journalism and entertainment industry backed by the wealth and unlimited media exposure of Hollywood...The attacks on her will escalate.

In the next 36 months Americans will be witness to the biggest campaign of hate in history...May her courage and conviction be rewarded, for her success will bring about the salvation of America.

You're shittin me right?..That woman is nuts..Her and her whole family are begging to be made fun of..Imagine the codes to our nuclear arsenal in her hands?..Are you alright or what?

Heres a gem for ya Hog..I'll bet this would make Helen Keller's hair curl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIOD5X68lIs

Ooooops!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Fucking priceless! :lmao2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d91brDnt7A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d91brDnt7A)

[Hog Trash]

You're shittin me right?..That woman is nuts..Her and her whole family are begging to be made fun of..Imagine the codes to our nuclear arsenal in her hands?..Are you alright or what?You, like many are the victim of a biased media....Untill you learn to think for yourself you are doomed to a life of ignorance.

Heres a gem for ya Hog..I'll bet this would make Helen Keller's hair curlI don't even know if that really is Palin nor does the preachers mouth movements appear to match the words we are hearing.

Regardless if it was her and the words were real, why would you critisize her for her religion and excuse Obama for attending a church that taught Black Liberation Theology that is based on a marxist ideology.

I'm sure you're aware that Reverand Wright preached hatred for white and jewish people and promoted hatred with outragious conspiracy theories such as "the AIDS virus was created by the white race to exterminate the black race".

Ooooops!

I must of missed something....Unlike you, I see no indication of the "Ooooops!" that you and those who fear Palin intended I see.

A clear indication that I am not as gullible as you and the rest of the Obamazombies.

Fucking priceless! :lmao2:A snipped and clipped video...A sound bite to lead you to a conclusion...And very successfuly I might add...Stop being manipulated and seek the truth in their lies.

Don't feel bad...Many people have been fooled by those who fear Palin's messege and have made it their mission to discredit her by any deception necessary.

I have noticed that you are not a very intelligent poster...Like Bill Cosby and Surfrider, you rarely post anything that intelligently promotes your beliefs or arguments.

You attempt to get your point across by making childish remarks and insults and lame attempts at wit.

You are in danger of being added to Hog's ignore list...Please work on your posting skills to avoid this embarrassment.

[slowhand]

You, like many are the victim of a biased media....Untill you learn to think for yourself you are doomed to a life of ignorance.

I don't even know if that really is Palin nor does the preachers mouth movements appear to match the words we are hearing.

Those videos are Palin..Shes a holy rolling nut case..Shes got the same mindset as the faith healer who offered to pray over me to cure my Parkinsons..Get the fuck outa here..The last guy he prayed over ended up in the ER the next day..Religious nutballs like Palin are dangerous..Ya see, theres a difference between Palin and Obama..Pailn brings her religion into her politics..Obama hasnt..So far..

I agree..Rev Wright is a loose cannon..Not too hard to figure out why bama had to throw him under the bus..Have I mentioned that I not happy with Obama's performance?..Yes I did, on more than one occasion

Regardless if it was her and the words were real, why would you critisize her for her religion and excuse Obama for attending a church that taught Black Liberation Theology that is based on a marxist ideology.

When did I say that?..See..You're assuming I think Wright's actions are excusable..If Obama didnt shut Wright up when he did, Hillary Clinton would be Pres right now..Having said that, I will add this..Not everything Rev Wright said was bullshit either

I'm sure you're aware that Reverand Wright preached hatred for white and jewish people and promoted hatred with outragious conspiracy theories such as "the AIDS virus was created by the white race to exterminate the black race".


You are correct, he did say that about the aids virus..Fact..The CIA loaded up South LA with cocaine during the 80's..Who lives in south LA?..Black ppl thats who..So, what the difference?

I must of missed something....Unlike you, I see no indication of the "Ooooops!" that you and those who fear Palin intended I see.

The Alaska Independent Party..The party that her husband was a member of, that wanted Alaska to secede from the union..That is what that video is about, her support of their convention, their policies, and their existance


A snipped and clipped video...A sound bite to lead you to a conclusion...And very successfuly I might add...Stop being manipulated and seek the truth in their lies.

Nice try Hog..She said that and you know it..Want the long version?

Don't feel bad...Many people have been fooled by those who fear Palin's messege and have made it their mission to discredit her by any deception necessary.

Do you blame them?..Her message is scarey

I have noticed that you are not a very intelligent poster

I dont have to use intelligence to have a discusson about Palin..Please!!

...Like Bill Cosby and Surfrider, you rarely post anything that intelligently promotes your beliefs or arguments.

You attempt to get your point across by making childish remarks and insults and lame attempts at wit.

You are in danger of being added to Hog's ignore list...Please work on your posting skills to avoid this embarrassment.

Im gonna face embarrassment if you put me on your ignore list? :lmao2:

From who?..Cowards use the ignore button..You putting me on ignore would be like George Bush putting Larry the Cable guy on his do not call list

But seriously Hog..Palin is a flake, and I question the intelligence of anyone who thinks she got it goin on..Palin VP?..or Pres if McCain rolled over?..Gimme a break..She couldnt run a fucking Burger King..You claim to be an independent..but you lean way over to the right..Your mind is in the conservative groove, and it is clouding your judgements

[Hog Trash]

You are way to smart to be falsely influenced by me or a biased media, aint that right?

You da man slowhand!...If everyone was as politically savy as you, our problems would be over. :thumbsup: