I dont see the logic in the we cant depot 20 million people

[Tommy]

all you hear is that we cant deport 20 million people so lets either ignore the problem or make em legal


can we arrest 20 million pot smokers ???
then lets either ignore them or make pot legal

can we ticket 20 million people that run stop signs every year
so lets just take down all those red signs

can we catch 20 million tax cheaters
so lets just close up the IRS. And you pay what you want


I think we shouldnt worry about the big number (20 million)
its stupid to think you would even have a chance of catching every man woman and child

deport who you catch today. Worry about the rest tomorrow

[Mr. Blue]

The topic of immigration and border security seems to be getting wrapped up in some sort of weird red tape that just doesn't make sense to me. It seems pretty logical that we should:

A) Secure the border...how? Walls? Nah, I think they just need more agents and more electronic surveillance. The fact that we have such weak border security should be addressed first. I mean if you're a plumber do you address the water that already leaked or the pipe that's leaking causing more water? Exactly. So, start there.

B) Deporting - yep, maybe impossible to round up all the illegals here. Still that doesn't mean we should just throw up our hands and do nothing. As we catch them, we send them back...if we have A) in place it'll be harder for them to get back.

C) I still think it's a load of bullshit that Mexicans are doing jobs Americans don't want. I'm more of an opinion that companies want slave labor, cheap labor, whatever you want to call it.

I'm really amazed at how the politicians are fucking this topic up.

[juggernaut]

I'm really amazed at how the politicians are fucking this topic up.I'm not.

But the main issue that will come from this over time is taxes. Getting any of these ideas completed will mean more taxes. Can't secure anything without the $$. I think the main issue that this country needs first and foremost is to stop the wasteful spending. If just 1/2 of it will stop then things like protecting the border could be done. I just came back from Canada last month and was shocked to find the man sitting in the booth to question me and my passengers for entrance back into the states was Canadian. How in the world can we have a Canadian officer deciding who is allowed to enter the country? Made no sense to me at all. Nothing against them, but I did not see any American officers in the Canadian immigration office when I was there. I don't think we should just allow them to stay here and get citizenship. Main reason for me is my wife is from another country and she came here legally. We followed the rules and so should everyone else. I would not like to see a fence unless it's electrified. I would like to see a big ass wall (30ft or more with 10 to 15 ft more below the ground). I have no problems with providing more work visas after a wall would be placed up. Make it cheap to get but tax heavy on non citizens to help pay for the border protection.

[Moby]

We don't need to deport anyone. We don't need to build a wall that will be ineffective. We need to simply remove the demand.

Send the FBI to a meat packing company and instead of trying to put all the workers in jail simply fine the company for every illegal working. Go back next month and do it again. Do that at the loading docks, the local highways, the construction sites and keep doing it.

In 1 year we'll gain huge amounts of revenue from the corporate fines. Then the corporations will stop hiring illegals. When there are no jobs the illegals will go home.

It's kind of like the war on drugs. We worry about the people importing the drugs instead of illuminating the demand. Many European countries have shown that focusing on the demand instead of the borders has proven much more effective.

Make it expensive for corporations to break laws and they'll stop doing it. Why always go after individuals when it's the corporations creating the demand?

[Tommy]

I was never saying I am in favor of locking up everyone

I am sort of on the fence on immigration

I actually rent an apartment to a Spanish family
I think the husband and wife are here illegally and the children were probably born here, I didn't wanna know so... I never asked

the husband is hard working. out the door at 5am every morning
including sunday

the 3 kids seem to be perfect americian children, well spoken etc etc

they pay the rent on time, never a problem, even sweep up and fix little broken things. Very good tenants

[Linkster]

First off - you cant build a fence/wall whatever for the entire border - it not only would be cost prohibitive - it would be illegal - over half of the border is on Indian land that does NOT belong to the US - by the treaties the Indians land is an open border as part of their land is in the US and part in Mexico and a long time ago we gave up the right to control those hundreds of miles of border - they have complete access across the border with no patrol allowed - so to talk about building a wall or fence is totally a political "talking point" that cannot be accomplished
The US also cannot install monitoring or patrol equipment on those Indian lands so again you have no control whatsoever - the closest the border patrol can come is on the easement on I-10 and if youve ever driven out west on that highway Im sure youve been through the checkpoint (which is actually miles away from the border)

You can, however, start enforcing the immigration laws that are already on the books - the fact that we as citizens dont require our lawmakers and enforcement employees (our employees as the government is) to do their job is totally our own fault - because we are just too damned complacent to force the government to provide the services we pay for
Long ago there were laws put on the books to get rid of illegal aliens - the only thing causing it not to happen is the government not doing their job because they know the American people will never hold them accountable

[juggernaut]

You can, however, start enforcing the immigration laws that are already on the books - the fact that we as citizens dont require our lawmakers and enforcement employees (our employees as the government is) to do their job is totally our own fault - because we are just too damned complacent to force the government to provide the services we pay for
Long ago there were laws put on the books to get rid of illegal aliens - the only thing causing it not to happen is the government not doing their job because they know the American people will never hold them accountable
WORD!! I still like the work visa idea, seems easy enough to enact. I say tax everyone with a work visa heavy and every company who helps get them heavy. Here in Jersey we have a theme park. Six Flags Great Adventure and they pull in 1/2 their work force for the summer from overseas. Mainly kids looking to experience America. But there is story every year in the paper after the season how a small portion of those kids do not return home and nothing happens to the company. Walls are just a easy way of wishful thinking and besides it does send the wrong message as to what this county is supposed to be about. But I do like the idea, kind of how I like the Great Wall of China. This will never get fixed. This topic, the war, oil, terrorist, all of it is just small building blocks to raise taxes over time. The government needs excuses to raise taxes and so they slowly devise ways of rasing them over time. If there are no enemies to the USA then what? Wheres all the money going to go? Sure as hell wont go back to the people or for the betterment of this country. I thought it was interesting, I'm watching discovery last night and they were talking about going to the moon. They stated that the end of the show the government plans on landing on the moon again in 2020. They claiimed they needed to research more. I sat back and thought, for what? They went there once, don't they know what they need to do? Shit they went there in like 10 years of research and now with all this technology it's going to take till 2020. Please, just more ways of pulling money in.
It's no differant then what I said before and the pubic don't seem to remember. Before bush took office gas prices were low, a little over a dollor. If I remember correctly it was about $1.30 to $1.50 per gallon. He gives his first state of the union and says he is giving the big 3, 4 billion to research alternative fuels with a dealine of the end of his term. Then the gas prices slowly rise and never get lower. Here we are today at roughly $3.00 per gallon. The new fuel is already here but the government claims we can't use it yet. The part cost $0.20 to put in the car but yet we still can't have the fuel source. It's simple as to why. The powers that be, want to figure out a new way to justify a $3 cost for the new fuel. When they do that, then we will switch over. Until then they will squeeze every $$ out of use that they can. Then tax what's every left over.

[Krome]

America is a huge country and does not have the immigration problem that Holland or Britain has.

Worst thing Britain ever did was let Eastern Europeans come into the country without having to get work visas.

The people on minimum wage are getting a royal roasting as the Eastern Europeans will work twice as hard for that cash and not spend any in the country, they just send it all straight back home where it is worth 20 times the amount.

[Kinky Jones]

America is a huge country and does not have the immigration problem that Holland or Britain has.

that is the underlying problem, people in the US have no idea how many illegals are here, and how many more are pooring over our border right now as I type this, the problem is huge and has the potential to change the political scope of this country completely... neither side of politicians wants to alienate 20 million plus potential voters, the reds want them for cheap ass slave labor AKA 'guest workers" and the dems want them as loyal taxpayers so they can spend more of our tax money... and it is scary to see the anchor of the biggest news network in the US, which is a spanish speaking network, freely admit that their plan is to "take back their land thru legal and illegal immigration"

if you want to fix the immigration problem you have to view border security and legal immigration as two entirely diferent problems and solve the security issue before we re-start the massive influx of illegals that the 1980s legislation brought upon us... we need a way of weeding out the scumbag small time criminals that illegal immigration brings into this country, the car theft rings (those bastards have at least one of my cars) and other small crimes that people don't bother to report because local police won't even come out to check on when you report it becasue they are so under-staffed... serisoulsy, just wait until your local town feels the hit if it hasn't already... not to mention that the "guest worker" program that is so drastically needed is bullshit, US citizens will do any job that pays them a fair wage, hell not even fair just "decent" and drive by any home depot or similar construction store in the US any time of the day in the Southwest and you will realize that if we do need a "guest worker program" that it first needs to be done "in country" to deal with the areas that have an overload of illegals so that the ones already here and working hard get a decent shot at a job before we allow millions more to come here... we don't need to deport anybody already here unless they have been caught doing illegal shit, after all they really are some good hearted and hard working people, we just gotta spread them out where they are really needed and then stop the free flow across the border... once you do that then you hit the industries hard that are still using illegals as slave labor... any guest worker program that brings more here before we even attempt to track the ones that are already here is a seveerly flawed sytem, but then we are getting too used to that here in the states :(