Xanax 2 mg.'s

[CosmicRocker]

http://nationpharma.com/images/xanax%202mg.JPG
About freaking time.

Me and the Doc have been doing a Kabuki Dance to get here.

First " I wake up, and eat, and can't sleep" got me 10 mg Valium.
Blech. I never did like them.

Next vist: "It still doesn't really put me to sleep"
Doc says " you can take 2, but it's a heavy dose, I'll give you 20 mgs."

20 mg's of Valium is Zombie time - you're numb all day afterwards.

So,,, " I need Xanax - my neighbor gave me one, and i was out in 3 hours, and woke up refreshed."
( never say alprazolam - never use generic names, makes you look like you know your pharmaceuticals too well)


Sucker writes me 1 Mg.

FINALLY AFTER 3 VISITS I GET THE 2 MG.S

told him i get to sleep, but i still wake up.
This is a clinic Dr. - a croaker also writes them for me, but costs $120 to visit, plus the Rx.

Only gave me 3 refills - but said I could come back in Dec - instead of the 6 months,
because he's cutting back on my Lovostatin, and supplementing it with Niacin 500 time release.

Gotta work these guys like I'm a freaking 'detail man' ( pharmaceutical sales rep)

"Open up your PDR Doc!! -SEE?? the 2mgs bars??

They are sweet, and i really do only use them to buzz myself to sleep.

Also custs down on the weed, a couple of tokes and i'm gone.

[Hog Trash]

:pokefun: :sleep:

[MintJulep]

I don't care for pills but I love Xanax! :thumbsup:

2 mg would knock me out though. I take .25 or .50 tops. You must have a high tolerance.

[CosmicRocker]

:pokefun: :sleep: LOL
there harmless if not abused, and i don't touch alcohol.

Weed has creeped its way back, i have to admit.

[CosmicRocker]

I don't care for pills but I love Xanax! :thumbsup:

2 mg would knock me out though. I take .25 or .50 tops. You must have a high tolerance. I'm 6 1'/ 260 / pretty good muscles development, but
a stomach paunch ( must loose that 25 lbs)


Plus if take them, if I'm home, i actually do get to bed around midnight.

[MintJulep]

Oh, I see. Isn't it hard to get your doctor to prescribe them? Apparently, they are very addictive. My doctor is very hesitant to give them to me. So I take them as needed, usually if I'm feeling anxious. If you take them for sleep only, you should get something like Ambien.

[MintJulep]

Peach is my favorite.......:)

http://allied.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/xanax_tablet-779482.jpg

[CosmicRocker]

Peach is my favorite.......:)

http://allied.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/xanax_tablet-779482.jpg
I know the one on the right blue football is not made to USPharmacutical grade - i can't find it - there is no mfg. code.
Typical of a foreign manufacturer.

I'll take the bars, they are almost always USP.

The peach may be legit, you have to see the codes, and google search for the mfg.

[CosmicRocker]

Oh, I see. Isn't it hard to get your doctor to prescribe them? Apparently, they are very addictive. My doctor is very hesitant to give them to me. So I take them as needed, usually if I'm feeling anxious. If you take them for sleep only, you should get something like Ambien.No way. Ambien has weird side effects.

My general rule of thumb on mood altering drugs is don't take anything invented past 1980.
Stick with the " Good old fashioned medicated goo"

Reds (seconal) would be my preference, but you have to have a metabolism like a hampster to get them.

Ludes are for .....damn if i know they are hypontic sedatives.
They're banned.

[chambers92]

http://nationpharma.com/images/xanax%202mg.JPG
About freaking time.

Me and the Doc have been doing a Kabuki Dance to get here.

First " I wake up, and eat, and can't sleep" got me 10 mg Valium.
Blech. I never did like them.

Next vist: "It still doesn't really put me to sleep"
Doc says " you can take 2, but it's a heavy dose, I'll give you 20 mgs."

20 mg's of Valium is Zombie time - you're numb all day afterwards.

So,,, " I need Xanax - my neighbor gave me one, and i was out in 3 hours, and woke up refreshed."
( never say alprazolam - never use generic names, makes you look like you know your pharmaceuticals too well)


Sucker writes me 1 Mg.

FINALLY AFTER 3 VISITS I GET THE 2 MG.S

told him i get to sleep, but i still wake up.
This is a clinic Dr. - a croaker also writes them for me, but costs $120 to visit, plus the Rx.

Only gave me 3 refills - but said I could come back in Dec - instead of the 6 months,
because he's cutting back on my Lovostatin, and supplementing it with Niacin 500 time release.

Gotta work these guys like I'm a freaking 'detail man' ( pharmaceutical sales rep)

"Open up your PDR Doc!! -SEE?? the 2mgs bars??

They are sweet, and i really do only use them to buzz myself to sleep.

Also custs down on the weed, a couple of tokes and i'm gone.

Valium has a long half life ( 72 hrs) which is why you felt like a zombie the next day. And 20 mg is a big dose. Maybe you're able to tolerate more because of your size

If you take the Xanax every night for more than a few weeks then you need to be careful if you're going to stop taking it. Even after a few weeks it's dangerous to just stop taking a benzo without slowly weaning yourself off of it

[Cookie]

No way. Ambien has weird side effects.

My general rule of thumb on mood altering drugs is don't take anything invented past 1980.
Stick with the " Good old fashioned medicated goo"

Reds (seconal) would be my preference, but you have to have a metabolism like a hampster to get them.

Ludes are for .....damn if i know they are hypontic sedatives.
They're banned.

Nonsense. They have to list the 'driving while asleep' crap as a side effect even if only 1 person did it.

I took Ambien for quite awhile because I couldn't sleep. It was great. You take it, and in 5 minutes you're asleep for the night.
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[CosmicRocker]

Nonsense. They have to list the 'driving while asleep' crap as a side effect even if only 1 person did it.

I took Ambien for quite awhile because I couldn't sleep. It was great. You take it, and in 5 minutes you're asleep for the night.
I'm glad it works for you, i have been known to wander at night.
Usually not far but down the hall, but it's happened.

I took 2 mgs at 9 PM
It's 1:30 AM

I'm ready for bed, but not staggering.

I know what works for me, some nights if i'm very tired i can get by with 1.5 mgs.

[Cookie]

I'm glad it works for you, i have been known to wander at night.
Usually not far but down the hall, but it's happened.

I took 2 mgs at 9 PM
It's 1:30 AM

I'm ready for bed, but not staggering.

I know what works for me, some nights if i'm very tired i can get by with 1.5 mgs.


If you're taking Xanax for sleeplessness, you're taking the wrong drug. The fact that you took it 4.5 hours ago might be a clue....Xanax is for anxiety. Are you anxious?
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[Binky]

:pokefun: :sleep:


:lmao2: :lmao2: I surmised something like that early when I was reading a couple of his posts.

[Binky]

LOL
there harmless if not abused, and i don't touch alcohol.

Weed has creeped its way back, i have to admit.


Gotta love the weed.:D Now, me, I could never, ever relate to that....:lmao2: Nah, not me....oh no....:lmao2: Been there, done that.

[Mr, gone]

Fucking Xanax almost killed me!!! I was OVER prescribed this stuff for over five years after a truamatic loss of my career, and diagnosed with GAD (2mg bars three times a day)! I still functioned while on it, though my friends told me I always sounded drunk. (I am 5'9" and 165 Lbs).

So, I decide to go off the stuff about a year ago, and the doc simply tells me if I need a refill to let him know. Initially, I immediately felt sick if a couple of doses where missed. So for the next several of months, I tappered the dose until I was breaking off .5mg twice a day. This went on for about another month, at which time I stopped altogether. the following week suddenly, my hearing went nuts, fucking blood presure was 110/160 at that time, which blew out some of my blood vessels in my inner ear.:mad:

Now over a year later, I have tinnitus and high frequency loss, short term memory issues and problems sbsorbing new information. (If only I had been informed of the dangers this drug possesses):banghead: .

Take this shit at your own risk, and the FDA can suck my dick for listing this incredibly addictive and toxic substance as only a schedule 4 drug (it should be a 2).:talktothehand:

[Binky]

Fucking Xanax almost killed me!!! I was OVER prescribed this stuff for over five years after a truamatic loss of my career, and diagnosed with GAD (2mg bars three times a day)! I still functioned while on it, though my friends told me I always sounded drunk. (I am 5'9" and 165 Lbs).

So, I decide to go off the stuff about a year ago, and the doc simply tells me if I need a refill to let him know. Initially, I immediately felt sick if a couple of doses where missed. So for the next several of months, I tappered the dose until I was breaking off .5mg twice a day. This went on for about another month, at which time I stopped altogether. the following week suddenly, my hearing went nuts, fucking blood presure was 110/160 at that time, which blew out some of my blood vessels in my inner ear.:mad:

Now over a year later, I have tinnitus and high frequency loss, short term memory issues and problems sbsorbing new information. (If only I had been informed of the dangers this drug possesses):banghead: .

Take this shit at your own risk, and the FDA can suck my dick for listing this incredibly addictive and toxic substance as only a schedule 4 drug (it should be a 2).:talktothehand:


Hey G. Maybe that's why you looked so sleepy eyed in that pic you had posted months back. I assumed you had had a drink or two, but could be it was that.

I've taken them once or twice but never had any problem with them. However, I won't be taking them again. I'm normally not one to pop a pill unless its my iron or a non asprin.

[CosmicRocker]

If you're taking Xanax for sleeplessness, you're taking the wrong drug. The fact that you took it 4.5 hours ago might be a clue....Xanax is for anxiety. Are you anxious?
Xanax is a class of drug called benzodiazapams.

Yes it is an anti-anxiety drug, but it's routinely prescribed for insomnia.
Anti-anxiety agents like lorazapam, are daytime anti-anxieties, as they don't produce stupor as a side effect.

Valium was the first benzo, but because of it's half life ( very long), and the agents ability to cause numbness in some patients ( like me), makes it incompatable.

Xanax (alprazolam) is the fastest acting, and shortest half life of any of the benzo group.

[CosmicRocker]

Gotta love the weed.:D Now, me, I could never, ever relate to that....:lmao2: Nah, not me....oh no....:lmao2: Been there, done that.
weed is great, but because it's also a slightly psychotropic drug, it's really more to relax, than to induce sleep.

[CosmicRocker]

:lmao2: :lmao2: I surmised something like that early when I was reading a couple of his posts.
don't assume. Just because I'm an old stoner from the days when long haired humanoids roamed the earth, doersn't mean my life is all about getting high.

It USED to be. I was an addict for almost 20 years.

Now I'm older, wiser, and use drugs only as prescribed.
except weed, which is non-scheduled, and only a small amount of that.

Society has demonized drugs, but they are beneficial if one knows their PDR.

[CosmicRocker]

Fucking Xanax almost killed me!!! I was OVER prescribed this stuff for over five years after a truamatic loss of my career, and diagnosed with GAD (2mg bars three times a day)! I still functioned while on it, though my friends told me I always sounded drunk. (I am 5'9" and 165 Lbs).

So, I decide to go off the stuff about a year ago, and the doc simply tells me if I need a refill to let him know. Initially, I immediately felt sick if a couple of doses where missed. So for the next several of months, I tappered the dose until I was breaking off .5mg twice a day. This went on for about another month, at which time I stopped altogether. the following week suddenly, my hearing went nuts, fucking blood presure was 110/160 at that time, which blew out some of my blood vessels in my inner ear.:mad:

Now over a year later, I have tinnitus and high frequency loss, short term memory issues and problems sbsorbing new information. (If only I had been informed of the dangers this drug possesses):banghead: .

Take this shit at your own risk, and the FDA can suck my dick for listing this incredibly addictive and toxic substance as only a schedule 4 drug (it should be a 2).:talktothehand: so that's 6 mg.s per day???.

Jesus Christ, even drug abusers don't have to take that heavy a dose.

It's a wonder you didn't die of respiratory failure.

[Binky]

weed is great, but because it's also a slightly psychotropic drug, it's really more to relax, than to induce sleep.


Well, once relaxed, you shouldn't have a lot of trouble dropping off into sleepsville. :D

[Hog Trash]

Originally Posted by CosmicRocker
weed is great, but because it's also a slightly psychotropic drug, it's really more to relax, than to induce sleep.I thought it was more for enhancing ones appetite. :D

[Binky]

don't assume. Just because I'm an old stoner from the days when long haired humanoids roamed the earth, doersn't mean my life is all about getting high.

It USED to be. I was an addict for almost 20 years.

Now I'm older, wiser, and use drugs only as prescribed.
except weed, which is non-scheduled, and only a small amount of that.

Society has demonized drugs, but they are beneficial if one knows their PDR.


:lmao2: Yep, I remember those days very well. I also remember going into a concert and sitting on the floor and people were literally draped over the balconies in weed comas. The smoke hung in the air like last weeks laundry. It was thick enough to slice with a butcher knife. But oh, it was so much fun to experience that time in my life.... And everywhere you turned, a contact buzz awaited you.. :lmao2:

[Binky]

I thought it was more for enhancing ones appetite. :D


That too. One is likely to end up with a very serious case of the munchies where you want to eat everything in the house.:lmao2:

[CosmicRocker]

Well, once relaxed, you shouldn't have a lot of trouble dropping off into sleepsville. :D
I smoke like 2 hits of sensamilla, and I'm wasted.
The psychotropic effects keep my brain awake.

I smoke a toke or 2 in the day, not enough to impare, or get me wasted and lazy.

I don't smoke weed past dark, it doesn't help me, unless it' just to get high.

[CosmicRocker]

:lmao2: Yep, I remember those days very well. I also remember going into a concert and sitting on the floor and people were literally draped over the balconies in weed comas. The smoke hung in the air like last weeks laundry. It was thick enough to slice with a butcher knife. But oh, it was so much fun to experience that time in my life.... And everywhere you turned, a contact buzz awaited you.. :lmao2:

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It Looks A Lot Like The One Used By Jimmy Page
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If There's Rock Show
At The Concertgebow
They're Got Long Hair
At The Madison Square
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At The Hollywood Bowl,
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The Tension Mounts You Score An Ounce Ole!
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If There's Rock Show
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You're Got Long Hair
At The Madison Square
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At The Hollywood Bowl,
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Its A Pity There's Nobody Here To Witness The End
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That Decibel Meter Doesn't Seem To Be Reading Low.
But They Was Louder At The Rainbow
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[CosmicRocker]

I thought it was more for enhancing ones appetite. :D
In California, and medical marijuana states, one of the "prescriptions"
can be for AIDS, or wasteing syndroms ( chemo therapy etc.)

In those cases, the munchies are a desired side effect, and pot is used.

It's also an anti-nausea agent, and combined with some pain meds acts with a synergistic effect.

[Hog Trash]

I wanna new drug

One that don't make me sick

One that don't keep me up all night

Or make me feel.....three feet thick

[MintJulep]

Xanax is a class of drug called benzodiazapams.

Yes it is an anti-anxiety drug, but it's routinely prescribed for insomnia.
Anti-anxiety agents like lorazapam, are daytime anti-anxieties, as they don't produce stupor as a side effect.

Valium was the first benzo, but because of it's half life ( very long), and the agents ability to cause numbness in some patients ( like me), makes it incompatable.

Xanax (alprazolam) is the fastest acting, and shortest half life of any of the benzo group.Ativan. :thumbsup:

:lmao2: :lmao2:

It's so funny because I am really an "anti-pill" type person but I LOVE tranquilizers! I have no use for pain pills - fractured my neck once and never took one pain pill or anti-inflammatory.

[Sweet Tea]

don't assume. Just because I'm an old stoner from the days when long haired humanoids roamed the earth, doersn't mean my life is all about getting high.

It USED to be. I was an addict for almost 20 years.

Now I'm older, wiser, and use drugs only as prescribed.
except weed, which is non-scheduled, and only a small amount of that.

Society has demonized drugs, but they are beneficial if one knows their PDR.

So did MJ drugs prescribed. They call those 2 MG Xanax which are shaped just like a coffin, and called coffins on the street for a reason.

[CosmicRocker]

So did MJ drugs prescribed. They call those 2 MG Xanax which are shaped just like a coffin, and called coffins on the street for a reason.
sure. except I don't take 17 a night. or anesthetize myself .

2 mgs is a heavy dose, i'm thinking about try 1.5 tonight.

I was using 2 mgs of the blue footballs bought offf the stret, when i ran out of my ones.

But I don't think they are USP grade, these are.

Tonight I'm gonna take 1.5, as I have to start work at 8 AM tomorrow.

[slowhand]

Fucking Xanax almost killed me!!! I was OVER prescribed this stuff for over five years after a truamatic loss of my career, and diagnosed with GAD (2mg bars three times a day)! I still functioned while on it, though my friends told me I always sounded drunk. (I am 5'9" and 165 Lbs).

So, I decide to go off the stuff about a year ago, and the doc simply tells me if I need a refill to let him know. Initially, I immediately felt sick if a couple of doses where missed. So for the next several of months, I tappered the dose until I was breaking off .5mg twice a day. This went on for about another month, at which time I stopped altogether. the following week suddenly, my hearing went nuts, fucking blood presure was 110/160 at that time, which blew out some of my blood vessels in my inner ear.:mad:

Now over a year later, I have tinnitus and high frequency loss, short term memory issues and problems sbsorbing new information. (If only I had been informed of the dangers this drug possesses):banghead: .

Take this shit at your own risk, and the FDA can suck my dick for listing this incredibly addictive and toxic substance as only a schedule 4 drug (it should be a 2).:talktothehand:


Xanax and Klonopin are dangerous drugs..If you get addicted, and try to cold turkey, the detox can kill you

I know a few people who's lives were ruined because of those drugs, as Mr Gone is describing here


Benzos are bad medicine, and are to be treated with respect if you really need to use them..Their nastyness is somewhere inbetween heroin and crack, and actually, Xanax is a hell of alot more dangerous than Heroin

[MintJulep]

Xanax and Klonopin are dangerous drugs..If you get addicted, and try to cold turkey, the detox can kill you

I know a few people who's lives were ruined because of those drugs, as Mr Gone is describing here


Benzos are bad medicine, and are to be treated with respect if you really need to use them..Their nastyness is somewhere inbetween heroin and crack, and actually, Xanax is a hell of alot more dangerous than HeroinIt depends on the person. Some people are predispositioned with addictive personalities, others aren't. The only addiction I've ever had is cigarettes. I occasionally take a Xanax but I do not have to have them on a regular basis. Likewise I have partied in the past, but if I never had a drink again, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

[slowhand]

It depends on the person. Some people are predispositioned with addictive personalities, others aren't. The only addiction I've ever had is cigarettes. I occasionally take a Xanax but I do not have to have them on a regular basis. Likewise I have partied in the past, but if I never had a drink again, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

That is part of, but not all of the point

If a person with a non-addictive personality gets Rx a high dose of any Benzo, they then become dangerous, and yes, you will become addicted, the difference being, and addictive personality will make an occupation out of using them, where as the non-addictive personality may have some struggle, but will be able to wean off them eventually with differing degrees of success

[CosmicRocker]

Xanax and Klonopin are dangerous drugs..If you get addicted, and try to cold turkey, the detox can kill you

I know a few people who's lives were ruined because of those drugs, as Mr Gone is describing here


Benzos are bad medicine, and are to be treated with respect if you really need to use them..Their nastyness is somewhere inbetween heroin and crack, and actually, Xanax is a hell of alot more dangerous than Heroin
Benzo's are NOT more dangerous the heroin, they can be as dangerous as heroin.
Addiction is addiction. Overdose is overdose. Withdrawls are withdrawls.

They both can kill you, heroin is illegal, so what really IS the dosage ur getting?

Narcotics and benzos can be useful, or deadly.

it's not the drug, it's how it's used.

[slowhand]

Benzo's are NOT more dangerous the heroin, they can be as dangerous as heroin.
Addiction is addiction. Overdose is overdose. Withdrawls are withdrawls.

They both can kill you, heroin is illegal, so what really IS the dosage ur getting?

Narcotics and benzos can be useful, or deadly.

it's not the drug, it's how it's used.

I dont use them...When I was in treatment, there were two guys there who were strung out on xanax, and they were in worse shape than the junkies and crackheads..They were also on a 6 month taper schedule because of the danger of sudden withdrawal..You can cold turkey on herion, you'll be on the floor for three days, but it wont kill you..That was from the horses mouth..not from me

[CosmicRocker]

I dont use them...When I was in treatment, there were two guys there who were strung out on xanax, and they were in worse shape than the junkies and crackheads..They were also on a 6 month taper schedule because of the danger of sudden withdrawal..You can cold turkey on herion, you'll be on the floor for three days, but it wont kill you..That was from the horses mouth..not from me
tis' true. sudden withdrawl from benzos can cause seizures - rare, but possible.

But their prolly abusing them to begin with.
I take a 2 mg. ONCE a DAY before bed for sleep only.

A few times I've skipped, maybe if i had a couple drinks, or whatever, never had any withdrawls symptoms.

If you take them like a PEZ dispenser, you're building up a tolerance, and changing your neuro-receptors.

with dope ( narcotics ) - it's a nasty withdrawl
( you know I was an addict), but i don't think it can be fatal.
You simply wish you were dead. ;)

[slowhand]

tis' true. sudden withdrawl from benzos can cause seizures - rare, but possible.

But their prolly abusing them to begin with.
I take a 2 mg. ONCE a DAY before bed for sleep only.

A few times I've skipped, maybe if i had a couple drinks, or whatever, never had any withdrawls symptoms.

If you take them like a PEZ dispenser, you're building up a tolerance, and changing your neuro-receptors.

with dope ( narcotics ) - it's a nasty withdrawl
( you know I was an addict), but i don't think it can be fatal.
You simply wish you were dead. ;)

I hear ya..These guys were playing Doctors for scipts, so they were taking enough to kill a horse

[MintJulep]

That is part of, but not all of the point

If a person with a non-addictive personality gets Rx a high dose of any Benzo, they then become dangerous, and yes, you will become addicted, the difference being, and addictive personality will make an occupation out of using them, where as the non-addictive personality may have some struggle, but will be able to wean off them eventually with differing degrees of successDoctors generally prescribe these only short-term. People who abuse them don't always get them from doctors.

[Mr, gone]

I do NOT have an addictive personallity, and have never taken any drugs before this (I have rarely even gotten drunk throughout my life). A life changing event brought on severe anxiety. I then was over prescribed xanax (6mg daily) for six years!

As Slowhand correctly indicates, this drug WILL become addictive to EVERYONE under these circumstances.

And without proper counseling regarding the dangers that Xanax exhibits, one can easily cause permanent damage to them when attemting to detox (as was the case with me).

Minty try taking Xanax for a few years at this dose, and then get back with me!

[Mr, gone]

When detoxing off an upper, one's blood pressure tends to drop. When doing the same off a downer (benzo's) the blood pressure will rise. This is the real danger presented with Xanax withdrawl beyond all the other unpleasentries! I only wish my hearing loss could be reversed, I am selling 10 grand worth vacum tube audio gear, as I am unable to extract much enjoyment from it anymore.:(

[CosmicRocker]

When detoxing off an upper, one's blood pressure tends to drop. When doing the same off a downer (benzo's) the blood pressure will rise. This is the real danger presented with Xanax withdrawl beyond all the other unpleasentries! I only wish my hearing loss could be reversed, I am selling 10 grand worth vacum tube audio gear, as I am unable to extract much enjoyment from it anymore.:(
really sorry that happened to you.

How many a day did you take?

It's a wonder you could get off the floor.

2mgs during the day, will knock one out like a horse tranquilzer.
You were taking 3 a day?

I'm sorry about the hearing loss, i love music too.
You're Dr. should be sued, not that it wopuld repair the damage

[slowhand]

I do NOT have an addictive personallity, and have never taken any drugs before this (I have rarely even gotten drunk throughout my life). A life changing event brought on severe anxiety. I then was over prescribed xanax (6mg daily) for six years!

As Slowhand correctly indicates, this drug WILL become addictive to EVERYONE under these circumstances.

And without proper counseling regarding the dangers that Xanax exhibits, one can easily cause permanent damage to them when attemting to detox (as was the case with me).

Minty try taking Xanax for a few years at this dose, and then get back with me!

Im sorry to hear that you went through that..6 mg is alot, and as I mentioned, I had to go into rehab for alcohol, cuz Ive got the addictive personality..I will never forget the two guys on my unit who were abusing xanax..I dont know how much they were taking, probably more than 6 mg daily, but they were in tough shape!..Worse than anyone else there, hands down, name the addiction

I have to be very careful when I have to take a narcodic of any kind, because they taste like more..I dont ever want to go through the hell that shit made out of my life ever again

Benzos are evil shit!

[Mr, gone]

Thanks Cosmic and Slowhand for the compassion. Yeah, 1 about every 5 hours, and often an Ambien to help me sleep. Funny thing is this dose was taken from day 1. A tolerance never seemed to develop with me.

The shrink that prescribed this stuff should have never had me on it for anywhere near this long. The idiot should probably be sued, as he also never mentioned to be careful when stopping the drug.

I took it upon myself to start slowly after feeling sick from missing only one dose. I was breaking off 1mg and then .5mg a few times a day for several months - then .5mg once for another before stopping.

It's been about three months since the last .5mg was taken. I guess the stress from prolonged elevated blood pressure finally took it's toll about midway through this detox process. A recent hearing test displayed 'normal', though my hearing sounds like I have a constant head cold.

[Mr, gone]

Slowhand, my story is obviously peanuts compared to the continous ordeal that PD must be putting you through. I guess some lifestyle choices we make out of ignoance, and others we inherit genetically. has your past addiction caused any agrivating factors or maybe pre-disposed you to getting PD?

[slowhand]

Thanks Cosmic and Slowhand for the compassion. Yeah, 1 about every 5 hours, and often an Ambien to help me sleep. Funny thing is this dose was taken from day 1. A tolerance never seemed to develop with me.

The shrink that prescribed this stuff should have never had me on it for anywhere near this long. The idiot should probably be sued, as he also never mentioned to be careful when stopping the drug.

I took it upon myself to start slowly after feeling sick from missing only one dose. I was breaking off 1mg and then .5mg a few times a day for several months - then .5mg once for another before stopping.

It's been about three months since the last .5mg was taken. I guess the stress from prolonged elevated blood pressure finally took it's toll about midway through this detox process. A recent hearing test displayed 'normal', though my hearing sounds like I have a constant head cold.

Unfortunately..there are shrinks who get people dependant on different drugs so they become dependant on the shrink..There are some heartless SOB's out there

[slowhand]

Slowhand, my story is obviously peanuts compared to the continous ordeal that PD must be putting you through. I guess some lifestyle choices we make out of ignoance, and others we inherit genetically. has your past addiction caused any agrivating factors or maybe pre-disposed you to getting PD?

Thank You for your thoughts..To be honest..Pd is a walk in the park compared to what I went through with addiction

Actually, there are a couple of studies that suggest the alcohol and nicotine will lessen the chances of getting pd...I also smoked heavily for 26 years as well..Some guys got all the luck

I was healthy when I was drinking, but I never felt good because I was always either drunk or hungover almost all the time, and life was a mess, and went from one crisis to another, of my own making..I havent had a drink, or any substance in 20 years..Even though I have pd, I enjoy my life for the most part..I have my days, when I cant get out of my own way, and I have days where I do ok, and get things done..Sometimes when I am having a decent day, I forget to take my meds on time because I feel so good, and have to do a few hours of catching up..I can still take are of business, walk, drive, work part time, so I cant complain..I always did want to retire at 50, but not this way :D Sometimes you have to be careful what you ask for

[CosmicRocker]

^ I guess everyone is different.
The prob is one can't simply take a Dr. at their word for drug treatment.
You have to learn the side effets, and evalute yourself if the side efffects are too
problematic

Ritalin for ADD i think is a very bad idea.
You are essentially stimulating the child into semi-catatonia.


I am a full fledged insomnic.
Maybe all the 72 hour LSD cycles back in the 70's destroyed my bio rythmns.

If I don't take a Xanax, chances are i'm gonna wake up for an hour or 2 during the night, and never really get into a long term deep REM cycle.

So they work for me, but i agree they are dangerous as all get out, and should be used for real insomnia, not " difficulty falling to sleep".


Anti-daytime anxietys also take their toll.
One is repressing a lot of psychic, and maybe phyicals activity.

Best thing for anxiety ( not necesarily depression) is to get involved in exercise, outside interests, and socializing.

If you treat anxiety with drugs, you are reducing your ability to be more extroverted and optimistic.
Your personality is affected by not using coping mechanisms, and relying on stuporfication.
Gotta get up on the horse as soon as possible after you fall.

[slowhand]

^ I guess everyone is different.
The prob is one can't simply take a Dr. at their word for drug treatment.
You have to learn the side effets, and evalute yourself if the side efffects are too
problematic

Ritalin for ADD i think is a very bad idea.
You are essentially stimulating the child into semi-catatonia.


I am a full fledged insomnic.
Maybe all the 72 hour LSD cycles back in the 70's destroyed my bio rythmns.

If I don't take a Xanax, chances are i'm gonna wake up for an hour or 2 during the night, and never really get into a long term deep REM cycle.

So they work for me, but i agree they are dangerous as all get out, and should be used for real insomnia, not " difficulty falling to sleep".


Anti-daytime anxietys also take their toll.
One is repressing a lot of psychic, and maybe phyicals activity.

Best thing for anxiety ( not necesarily depression) is to get involved in exercise, outside interests, and socializing.

If you treat anxiety with drugs, you are reducing your ability to be more extroverted and optimistic.
Your personality is affected by not using coping mechanisms, and relying on stuporfication.
Gotta get up on the horse as soon as possible after you fall.

Ive learned to always question Doctors..You have to be your own advocate..I guess its like anything else..There are Doc's who are good at what they do, and there are others who are not

[MintJulep]

I do NOT have an addictive personallity, and have never taken any drugs before this (I have rarely even gotten drunk throughout my life). A life changing event brought on severe anxiety. I then was over prescribed xanax (6mg daily) for six years!

As Slowhand correctly indicates, this drug WILL become addictive to EVERYONE under these circumstances.

And without proper counseling regarding the dangers that Xanax exhibits, one can easily cause permanent damage to them when attemting to detox (as was the case with me).

Minty try taking Xanax for a few years at this dose, and then get back with me!It's unusual for a doctor to prescribe Xanax for such a long term. Usually, they will try and put the pt on an antidepressant instead. I'm fully aware of the addiction potential and that's why I take such a low dose when I take it. .25 or .5 tops.

[MintJulep]

^ I guess everyone is different.
The prob is one can't simply take a Dr. at their word for drug treatment.
You have to learn the side effets, and evalute yourself if the side efffects are too
problematic

Ritalin for ADD i think is a very bad idea.
You are essentially stimulating the child into semi-catatonia.


I am a full fledged insomnic.
Maybe all the 72 hour LSD cycles back in the 70's destroyed my bio rythmns.

If I don't take a Xanax, chances are i'm gonna wake up for an hour or 2 during the night, and never really get into a long term deep REM cycle.

So they work for me, but i agree they are dangerous as all get out, and should be used for real insomnia, not " difficulty falling to sleep".


Anti-daytime anxietys also take their toll.
One is repressing a lot of psychic, and maybe phyicals activity.

Best thing for anxiety ( not necesarily depression) is to get involved in exercise, outside interests, and socializing.

If you treat anxiety with drugs, you are reducing your ability to be more extroverted and optimistic.
Your personality is affected by not using coping mechanisms, and relying on stuporfication.
Gotta get up on the horse as soon as possible after you fall.You need to get Ambien for sleep. Xanax is not a sleeping pill, it is for anxiety. And 2 mg is a LOT. You are probably addicted already and don't know it.

[lucytalk]

ya know ~ there is a real difference between candians and americans with scripts. probably because we have socialized medicine. but i'm just saying maybe. i dunno, we are not big pharma people. and maybe that starts at the doctors.

i'm not saying we don't have doctor shoppers/addicts but it's differnt here.

like out of all the drugs mentioned, i tried (but not thru a doctor) valium. i did not like it at all.

i did get addicted to demerol but i was in a hospital and in pain to warrant it. a 3 week addiction but enough to know what addiction means. (morphine scared me but wow what a high lol)

[Mr, gone]

It's unusual for a doctor to prescribe Xanax for such a long term. Usually, they will try and put the pt on an antidepressant instead. I'm fully aware of the addiction potential and that's why I take such a low dose when I take it. .25 or .5 tops.

Yeah, the quack tried that on me for about a month. All that it did was make my dick limp (no matter how much porn I watched). :D

[slowhand]

Yeah, the quack tried that on me for about a month. All that it did was make my dick limp (no matter how much porn I watched). :D

Now theres something I could never understand..How in the hell doesnt that situation bring someone out of a depression?

[slowhand]

ya know ~ there is a real difference between candians and americans with scripts. probably because we have socialized medicine. but i'm just saying maybe. i dunno, we are not big pharma people. and maybe that starts at the doctors.

i'm not saying we don't have doctor shoppers/addicts but it's differnt here.

like out of all the drugs mentioned, i tried (but not thru a doctor) valium. i did not like it at all.

i did get addicted to demerol but i was in a hospital and in pain to warrant it. a 3 week addiction but enough to know what addiction means. (morphine scared me but wow what a high lol)

What a high is right!..I was playing around with that shit, and heroin for a year before I finally quit everything..Morhine and heroin are almost the same..Talk about make the world go away :disbelief:

[CosmicRocker]

You need to get Ambien for sleep. Xanax is not a sleeping pill, it is for anxiety. And 2 mg is a LOT. You are probably addicted already and don't know it.
Ur an idiot.
I have very bad insomnia. Xanax is ROUTINELY presecribed for such
Here i am awake again in the middle of the night, after taking a 2mg Xanax.
Ambien is like taking an aspirin - it's useless for real insomniacs.

I know addictions, I've lived them. I'm not addicted, because I DON'T ABUSE THEM.

If I skip a dose, i dont withdrawl.
all of this was said by me before, and you drive by with your lack of knowledge and tell me what to do.

I've read PDR's from cover to cover - have you?

[CosmicRocker]

Diazapam ( Valium) is a better sleep inducer, but because of it's long half life
( metabolites) it leaves me groggy all day.

I prolly need Seconal ( Butibarbital) ; but Dr.s won't give out Reds,
unless you have the metabolism of a hampster.
And they won't prescribe long term

[MintJulep]

Diazapam ( Valium) is a better sleep inducer, but because of it's long half life
( metabolites) it leaves me groggy all day.

I prolly need Seconal ( Butibarbital) ; but Dr.s won't give out Reds,
unless you have the metabolism of a hampster.
And they won't prescribe long termValium is an old drug and more dangerous than Xanax because it can interfere and/or stop breathing. But I used to like Valium too. :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

Ur an idiot.
I have very bad insomnia. Xanax is ROUTINELY presecribed for such
Here i am awake again in the middle of the night, after taking a 2mg Xanax.
Ambien is like taking an aspirin - it's useless for real insomniacs.

I know addictions, I've lived them. I'm not addicted, because I DON'T ABUSE THEM.

If I skip a dose, i dont withdrawl.
all of this was said by me before, and you drive by with your lack of knowledge and tell me what to do.

I've read PDR's from cover to cover - have you?Look pal, I don't know how to tell you this, but if your doctor is prescribing a high dose of Xanax for sleep -- find a new doctor.

Once, for a short while, I had gotten into the habit of taking a .25 in the AM before I went to work. I noticed I was feeling funny on the weekends when I didn't take them and I knew I was getting addicted to them, so I stopped.

You are taking 8x as much as I was and I bet if you stopped, you would KNOW it. Ambien may not work for you, but there are other sleeping pills that will knock you out. Restoril is one. I've read PDRs and Xanax is not typically prescribed for sleep, it is for ANXIETY. Get a new doctor, asap. :lmao2:

[Marika]

Nonsense. They have to list the 'driving while asleep' crap as a side effect even if only 1 person did it.

I took Ambien for quite awhile because I couldn't sleep. It was great. You take it, and in 5 minutes you're asleep for the night.
I have a type A personality with a little obsessive disorder, I would hate to be completely asleep because of my fear of fire, burglars, my dogs choking...etc.
One of my nieces takes ambien and when she was in a motel room with her mom (my older sister)for our mother's funeral, she never heard her cries for help. That poor woman sat on the toilet for over two hours because it was so low she couldn't pull herself up.

Obviously the pills work though.

[CosmicRocker]

What? You think my Dr. just said " here take some Xanax to sleep?"

I've tried EVERYTHING, Ambien , restirvil, and wound up with valium.

Valium knocks me out, but the morning groginess wasn't worth it.

So my dr. prescribed 1 mg Xanax.
They made me drozy, but because I AM A CLINICALLY DIAGNOSED INSOMNIAC, they wern't enough to put me to sleep.

I went to 1.5 - not much change.

So I finally asked for and got 2's - bingo lights out.

Now I have been on these for awhile, and it's possible they are not doing the job, but MOST nights it's lights out, and I may wake up 1 time for a bathroom break.

Other than that, I sleep a full 8 hours, never need a daytime nap, and wake up refreshed -2 cups of coffe and i'm good to go all day long.

If my Dr. had simply started me on Xanas, then you might have a case, but i've been through everything else, and Xanax, though not perfect gives the est chance for sleep, without morning hangovers.

everyone is different. I would prefer not to be on these, but another sdie effect is I don't smoke any weed at night, or cigarettes.

I veg out, get sleepy, crawl into bed, and am ready to go.

I can wake up fine most of the times, and deal with idiots like you, without stress, work 40 hour work weeks.

[Marika]

Two opposite opinions
How to get your doctor to prescribe Zanax
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_get_prescribed_for_xanax
And how much they helped people who had insomnia
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/drugs-treatments/rating/xanax-for-insomnia

[CosmicRocker]

^ it just goes to show, that pharmacology acts different for different people.

One has to try the non-benzos first, see if you can avoid them.

But for those of us who simply cannot sleep, find themselves with night mares, or constant wakeing up, then benzo's are prolly helpful.

I'd prefer a secobarbital - the small ones, but they are impossible to get.

These do the job 90% of the time. I can live with that.

[Marika]

In the second link, it seemed like Zanax worked better than other sleeping aids which were tried first.

[CosmicRocker]

In the second link, it seemed like Zanax worked better than other sleeping aids which were tried first.
I think the moral here is , try the melatonin uptakers, try the Ambien , try what you have to - but first do you REALLY need any thing?

Or is it stress, or unresolved issues you're facing.
Would psycho therapy work?

In other words there IS NO BEST fit all answer.

You have to work with your physician, see what works for you.

[Marika]

I think the moral here is , try the melatonin uptakers, try the Ambien , try what you have to - but first do you REALLY need any thing?

Or is it stress, or unresolved issues you're facing.
Would psycho therapy work?

In other words there IS NO BEST fit all answer.

You have to work with your physician, see what works for you.
And to give Mint the benefit of the doubt, maybe she was only trying to help. It's not like she told you not to take anything, she actually suggested some.

[CosmicRocker]

And to give Mint the benefit of the doubt, maybe she was only trying to help. It's not like she told you not to take anything, she actually suggested some.
True.
She doesn't deserve the benefit of a doubt from her antics at RV;
but this isn't RV, so she gets the benefit of a doubt.

Like she cares what I think, or vice versa, but to be fair - yes.

[Marika]

True.
She doesn't deserve the benefit of a doubt from her antics at RV;
but this isn't RV, so she gets the benefit of a doubt.

Like she cares what I think, or vice versa, but to be fair - yes.
:D You're okay!

[Cookie]

I have a type A personality with a little obsessive disorder, I would hate to be completely asleep because of my fear of fire, burglars, my dogs choking...etc.
One of my nieces takes ambien and when she was in a motel room with her mom (my older sister)for our mother's funeral, she never heard her cries for help. That poor woman sat on the toilet for over two hours because it was so low she couldn't pull herself up.

Obviously the pills work though.

I can see your point, as I would sleep through thunderstorms without waking for the first time in my life. But, I woke up to use the bathroom as needed, so I must have been somewhat responsive.

It really helped me when I needed it, as I wasn't able to sleep at all without waking up constantly. Life was miserable without sleep.
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[MintJulep]

What? You think my Dr. just said " here take some Xanax to sleep?"

I've tried EVERYTHING, Ambien , restirvil, and wound up with valium.Find me one reputable medical source which shows Xanax is a treatment for insomnia.

The benzos recommended for insomnia do not include Xanax. It is for ANXIETY.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/insomnia-medications

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/understanding_insomnia_medications/page5_em.htm

[MintJulep]

True.
She doesn't deserve the benefit of a doubt from her antics at RV;
but this isn't RV, so she gets the benefit of a doubt.

Like she cares what I think, or vice versa, but to be fair - yes.What "antics"?

[chambers92]

Find me one reputable medical source which shows Xanax is a treatment for insomnia.

The benzos recommended for insomnia do not include Xanax. It is for ANXIETY.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/insomnia-medications

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/understanding_insomnia_medications/page5_em.htm


Doesn't mean it can't be used for sleep as well. Most benzos can be used for anxiety, insomnia or for both.

[Mr, gone]

I was so wired during my detox from Xanax, that frequently - I would pop a .5mg Xanax together with an Ambien just to sleep. Often times though, I would wake up with the TV on a different channel (a jesus one nonetheless) creepy!:eek:

[Marika]

I was so wired during my detox from Xanax, that frequently - I would pop a .5mg Xanax together with an Ambien just to sleep. Often times though, I would wake up with the TV on a different channel (a jesus one nonetheless) creepy!:eek:
:D I'm so sorry to laugh. It's just the way you phrased it, I had a visual.

[Marika]

Doesn't mean it can't be used for sleep as well. Most benzos can be used for anxiety, insomnia or for both.
When you read the inserts or look them up online, they will sometimes say your doctor may prescribe this drug for other conditions as well. So yes, just as Wellbutrin is used as a stop smoking drug, it was not the intention primarily.

http://www.drugs.com/misspellings/zanax.html
For example:Some doctors prescribe Xanax (Zanax) to treat alcohol withdrawal, fear of open spaces and strangers, depression, irritable bowel syndrome, and premenstrual syndrome.
http://www.drugs.com/xanax.html
Xanax may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication guide.
Even though it does not specifically state insomnia, it does leave the window open for the doctor to decide.
This one specifically addresses zanax and insomnia
http://www.sleepnet.com/insomnia29/messages/148.html

[slowhand]

Find me one reputable medical source which shows Xanax is a treatment for insomnia.

The benzos recommended for insomnia do not include Xanax. It is for ANXIETY.

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/insomnia-medications

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/understanding_insomnia_medications/page5_em.htm



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Xanax may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication guide.
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This article says xanax cases drowsiness, also insomnia..

I can see xanax being Rx for sleep because it can cause drowsiness

http://psyweb.com/Drughtm/DrughtmAdv/jsp/AdvXanax.jsp

[slowhand]

http://retrieverimages.lycos.com/images/c/l/o/clonazepam/i/001.jpg Clonazepam is in the class of medications known as benzodiazepines. This medication is most often indicated for patients who have seizures. Additionally, it is prescribed for patients who suffer from other conditions such as panic attacks, anxiety, depression and even cancer. It is a widely used medication. Benzodiazepine medications are a group of medicines that are used because of their sedative qualities. They can encourage sleep, relieve anxiety and muscle spasms, and even put a stop to the occurrence of different types of seizures

[John Galt]

^ it just goes to show, that pharmacology acts different for different people.

One has to try the non-benzos first, see if you can avoid them.

But for those of us who simply cannot sleep, find themselves with night mares, or constant wakeing up, then benzo's are prolly helpful.

I'd prefer a secobarbital - the small ones, but they are impossible to get.

These do the job 90% of the time. I can live with that.
You're just an old druggie from way back.

If you wanted to get back to normal, without the drugs, it's certainly possible.

But at least you admit that you "loves you some drugs"



Valium is derived from valerian root. Smells like puke, but it's cheap, and available at any vitamin counter. Likewise, there are a plethora of herbs that have a calming effect. You could grow many of them in your yard.


Your job doesn't give you any physical activity. You mentioned some light workouts once in a while, but if you busted your ass at a real workout on a regular basis, you'd clean out your system, and you'd sleep like a baby.



Drugs are much more fun, but you will live to regret using them.

At least you don't hide your intentions.

[MintJulep]

I can see xanax being Rx for sleep because it can cause drowsiness

Do you work for NASA?

[Marika]

You're just an old druggie from way back.

If you wanted to get back to normal, without the drugs, it's certainly possible.

But at least you admit that you "loves you some drugs"



Valium is derived from valerian root. Smells like puke, but it's cheap, and available at any vitamin counter. Likewise, there are a plethora of herbs that have a calming effect. You could grow many of them in your yard.


Your job doesn't give you any physical activity. You mentioned some light workouts once in a while, but if you busted your ass at a real workout on a regular basis, you'd clean out your system, and you'd sleep like a baby.



Drugs are much more fun, but you will live to regret using them.

At least you don't hide your intentions.
You are so blunt. It's what I admire about you:D

[CosmicRocker]

You're just an old druggie from way back.

If you wanted to get back to normal, without the drugs, it's certainly possible.

But at least you admit that you "loves you some drugs"



Valium is derived from valerian root. Smells like puke, but it's cheap, and available at any vitamin counter. Likewise, there are a plethora of herbs that have a calming effect. You could grow many of them in your yard.


Your job doesn't give you any physical activity. You mentioned some light workouts once in a while, but if you busted your ass at a real workout on a regular basis, you'd clean out your system, and you'd sleep like a baby.



Drugs are much more fun, but you will live to regret using them.

At least you don't hide your intentions.
I do regular workouts now, weights, body cords, and lots of cardio.
I've even been doing swimming, until the weather got cold last week.

Drugs are much more fun, but you will live to regret using them:lmao2: You're telling me about "drugs are fun, or living to regret them?
Amigo. I have long past been there and done that. :D

Don't you smoke weed? I'd bet you smoke more than I do.
I don't smoke it every day, and when I do, it's maybe - maybe a few hits.
No more than a bowl a day.

here's the deal - since inquiring minds wanna know.
I was one fat fuck, over 300 pounds.
I was a fat kid, and never really could control my weight. Runs in the family too.

One of the reasons my ex. broke up with me.

Now she's calling again, and there is a chance we might get back together.
But that was the "long distance romance" with the Boston Girl I wrote about at BM.

I'm not gonna discuss my sex life, but suffice to say, I've been around the neighborhood, nothing serious, but some... fun.

I've lost almost 70 pounds. muscled up, and almost ( except 2 a day) quit cigs too.
One of my problems since I AM a insomniac is night eating.
waking up, being unable to go back to sleep, and going to the refrigerator.

Between the daily exercise, the xanax, I've been able to stop that behavior.
Any downsides to Xanax,are more than compensated for a good nights sleep, proper diet and exercise.

My Dr. is well aware of my insomnia, and is very impressed I finally took ownership of my general health.
No morning coughs, no use of cigaretts whle I take phone calls.
Plenty of cardio, and I already had strong muscles from dragging the gut around,
but my continued weight/body cord, and cardio have me in the best shape of my life. Cholesterol (LDL) at 100 exactly

Like I said, one has to take the entire history of the individual.
Xanax are a plus for me - for you? i couldn't say.
My Dr. is more than willing to give them to me, as long as I continue to stay/improve my general health.

So there ya go peeps - tell me what i'm doing wrong here??

[John Galt]

So there ya go peeps - tell me what i'm doing wrong here??
You aren't doing anything wrong.

I'm well aware of your past weight issues, as well as that crazy bitch from Boston.

Now that you're slimming down, you're "good enough" for her?

Tell her I said she should eat a sandwich once in a while:lmao2:

That's your thing...you already know where that gig dead ends.

I was going to suggest a piece of ass now and then....nothing puts me to bed w/a smile on my face, like a good ole fashioned "throw down"...

Odd, because my GF says it wires her, afterward.


There is no such thing as a pharmaceutical that won't cost you dearly in the future.

No...I don't smoke more than you...of this I'm certain, unless you count your dry periods due to inaccessability.


I'm of the "God made weed, humans made pharmaceuticals....who do you trust?" school.

I'm loathe to take an advil, when my pains get to be unbearable, but that's the extent of my drug use.

You, like so many others, just like to use drugs. I'm merely suggesting that there are alternatives, if you choose to do the necessary work.

It's just easier to pop some pill, that will no doubt cost you dearly sometime down the road.




There will no doubt come a day, when I have no choice. Til then, I go kicking and screaming until I have no other options

[CosmicRocker]

You aren't doing anything wrong.

I'm well aware of your past weight issues, as well as that crazy bitch from Boston.

Now that you're slimming down, you're "good enough" for her?

Tell her I said she should eat a sandwich once in a while:lmao2:

That's your thing...you already know where that gig dead ends.

I was going to suggest a piece of ass now and then....nothing puts me to bed w/a smile on my face, like a good ole fashioned "throw down"...

Odd, because my GF says it wires her, afterward.


There is no such thing as a pharmaceutical that won't cost you dearly in the future.

No...I don't smoke more than you...of this I'm certain, unless you count your dry periods due to inaccessability.


I'm of the "God made weed, humans made pharmaceuticals....who do you trust?" school.

I'm loathe to take an advil, when my pains get to be unbearable, but that's the extent of my drug use.

You, like so many others, just like to use drugs. I'm merely suggesting that there are alternatives, if you choose to do the necessary work.

It's just easier to pop some pill, that will no doubt cost you dearly sometime down the road.




There will no doubt come a day, when I have no choice. Til then, I go kicking and screaming until I have no other options
Hey I agree with you.
I have access to heroin, Lortabs ( Hydrocodone ) and damn near any pill I want.
I won't touch them - been there done that, I really shouldn't even be alive with the pharmaceutical toxic waste dump my body was back in the daze.

Nothing steady in the "ass dept" right now, but like i mentioned, i do get around the neighborhood...fill in the blanks.

Where you might not have picked up on, is i prefer NOT to use drugs anymore.
Yes, I'm not gonna lie and say Xanax isn't an unpleasent experience-
but i use them AS PRESCRIBED.
NEVER any other time. I get stressed out? I work it out thru exercise now.

Proly in the best shape of my life, although the 2 cigs will have to go sooner or later.

All I can really say is they work for me.
Like we discussed earlier in this thread, everyone is different.
Any negatives from the use of Xanax, are far outweighed by the positive results I get.
Good nights sleep/no late night smoking /eating.
Muscled up, all I have now is the slight gut, and I've not been as vigorous in my diet as I should be, but it's vastly improved.

So it's not like i'm popping pills for recreation anymore,
I'm happy with myself, have good self esteem, and get " the look" from women again, so this is a decent lifestyle if not ideal.

Smoke a bowl now and then during the day, but mostly just pack up a bowl, and it last all day long.

PS - I'll send her up a Subway sandwich coupon :lmao2:

[Marika]

Hey I agree with you.
I have access to heroin, Lortabs ( Hydrocodone ) and damn near any pill I want.
I won't touch them - been there done that, I really shouldn't even be alive with the pharmaceutical toxic waste dump my body was back in the daze.

Nothing steady in the "ass dept" right now, but like i mentioned, i do get around the neighborhood...fill in the blanks.

Where you might not have picked up on, is i prefer NOT to use drugs anymore.
Yes, I'm not gonna lie and say Xanax isn't an unpleasent experience-
but i use them AS PRESCRIBED.
NEVER any other time. I get stressed out? I work it out thru exercise now.

Proly in the best shape of my life, although the 2 cigs will have to go sooner or later.

All I can really say is they work for me.
Like we discussed earlier in this thread, everyone is different.
Any negatives from the use of Xanax, are far outweighed by the positive results I get.
Good nights sleep/no late night smoking /eating.
Muscled up, all I have now is the slight gut, and I've not been as vigorous in my diet as I should be, but it's vastly improved.

So it's not like i'm popping pills for recreation anymore,
I'm happy with myself, have good self esteem, and get " the look" from women again, so this is a decent lifestyle if not ideal.

Smoke a bowl now and then during the day, but mostly just pack up a bowl, and it last all day long.

PS - I'll send her up a Subway sandwich coupon :lmao2:


Hold the mayo:thumbsup:

[CosmicRocker]

Doesn't mean it can't be used for sleep as well. Most benzos can be used for anxiety, insomnia or for both.
I would prefer not to use benzos - but that is what Dr's prescribe for insomniacs now other than the " kid stuff". Ambien, etc.

Used to be Seconal - a better sleep inducer, and not the weird side effects associated with modern sleeping meds.

But the DEA is all over a Dr. if he's prescribing them INSTEAD of benzos.
I went to a croaker ( slang for Dr. that will write a Rx. for the money) and even asked him for seconal. ( before I started the bezo's w/ current Dr,)

He told me he'll give me valium, Xanax, anything, but barbiturates will bring the DEA down on him like a ton of bricks. wouldn't write it.

Didn't even bother to ask my current Dr. for barbs.
Theythink benzos are superior to barbs, but they're both addictive, and benzos do have some weird side effects.

" ooh ain't it good for you - that good old fashioned Medicated Goo" ( Traffic)

Dr.s get the hype from detail men, and the DEA controls their ability to prescribe, so no old fashioned medicated goo. anymore.

[slowhand]

Do you work for NASA?

You dont know anything because..........you dont read

Drowsy = Sleep........Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! !!!!!!!!!

[MintJulep]

You dont know anything because..........you dont read

Drowsy = Sleep........Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! !!!!!!!!!How do you know I "don't read"? Do you know me? No, I didn't think so.

Oh, Xanax makes you drowsy, so it must be a treatment for insomia? Morphine and Percodan can make you drowsy so they must be treatments for insomnia too. :rolleyes:

Gee, you are a board certified Forrest Gump.

[chambers92]

How do you know I "don't read"? Do you know me? No, I didn't think so.

Oh, Xanax makes you drowsy, so it must be a treatment for insomia? Morphine and Percodan can make you drowsy so they must be treatments for insomnia too. :rolleyes:

Gee, you are a board certified Forrest Gump.


Xanax is often prescribed for insomnia. So are other benzos like Ativan and Valium. Medications often have more than one use. For example....Trazedone, an older anti depessant is sometimes used for insomnia. Why are you having such a hard time understanding that.

If someone tells you they take Xanax for sleep, why do you need to argue with them about it?

Well guess what...I take Ativan for sleep...are you going to start telling me it's not prescribed for insomnia?

[chambers92]

I would prefer not to use benzos - but that is what Dr's prescribe for insomniacs now other than the " kid stuff". Ambien, etc.

.

I'd prefer not to use benzos for sleep either and I'm considerng trying to get off of them...... slowly.

[MintJulep]

Xanax is often prescribed for insomnia. So are other benzos like Ativan and Valium. Medications often have more than one use. For example....Trazedone, an older anti depessant is sometimes used for insomnia. Why are you having such a hard time understanding that.

If someone tells you they take Xanax for sleep, why do you need to argue with them about it?

Well guess what...I take Ativan for sleep...are you going to start telling me it's not prescribed for insomnia?Look, I don't give a rambling damn if he or you takes Propofol for insomnia. Just don't pretend it's the standard treatment for insomnia.

Xanax is for ANXIETY, not sleep. And it is not commonly prescribed for sleep disorders. Stating it is a common treatment for insomnia is a false rationalization.

[chambers92]

Look, I don't give a rambling damn if he or you takes Propofol for insomnia. Just don't pretend it's the standard treatment for insomnia.

Xanax is for ANXIETY, not sleep. And it is not commonly prescribed for sleep disorders. Stating it is a common treatment for insomnia is a false rationalization.

How do you know it's not commonly prescribed for insomnia? Are you a doctor. Or a pharmacist? People on this board are telling you we take benzos specifically for sleep.. Plus I know of lots of people who are prescribed them for sleep. I also used to be a therapist and had clients who were given it for sleep. I know people are often given benzos for sleep after a trauamatic event or major surgery. That's why I was intially put on it.... I couldn't sleep after having brain surgery.

Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not happening.. Ohter classes of meds are used as well for insomnia but many docs still prefer to prescribe benzos.

[Cookie]

How awful to suffer from insomnia. I have had it on and off for many years; that's why I used Ambien a few years ago. Had no trouble stopping the drug, just 2 nights of no sleep and I was fine. Several years ago, a divorce helped turn my sleepless nights into restful nights. :)

Now, I'm struggling with fragmented sleep; waking every 1-2 hours due to severe pain in my feet. I have been trying to endure this for over a year and a half, but I'm exhausted every minute of the day. Dr. thought it might be time to try Ambien again; we prefer that to taking an.....crap, I can't think.....they're opiates...for pain. Anyway, we have to do something as it's nearly impossible to function when I've been unable to sleep. I guess loss of sleep has a cumulative effect? It feels like it does.
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[Cookie]

How do you know it's not commonly prescribed for insomnia? Are you a doctor. Or a pharmacist? People on this board are telling you we take benzos specifically for sleep.. Plus I know of lots of people who are prescribed them for sleep. I also used to be a therapist and had clients who were given it for sleep. I know people are often given benzos for sleep after a trauamatic event or major surgery. That's why I was intially put on it.... I couldn't sleep after having brain surgery.

Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not happening.. Ohter classes of meds are used as well for insomnia but many docs still prefer to prescribe benzos.

Chambers, how is Ativan working for you? What exactly does it do?
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[Cookie]

Look, I don't give a rambling damn if he or you takes Propofol for insomnia. Just don't pretend it's the standard treatment for insomnia.

Xanax is for ANXIETY, not sleep. And it is not commonly prescribed for sleep disorders. Stating it is a common treatment for insomnia is a false rationalization.

Mint, that is what I thought too. But who am I to talk, because I take seizure medicine and an anti-depressant for chronic pain. Doesn't work very well though. Or else I've worn it out. :(
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[gOd]

Chambers, how is Ativan working for you? What exactly does it do?
Ativan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorazepam) (lorazepam) is pretty much a more potent substitute for Valium. I take it when my back goes out—which hasn't been for years now knock-on-wood. I'm not a big fan of pharmaceuticals.

[slowhand]

Look, I don't give a rambling damn if he or you takes Propofol for insomnia. Just don't pretend it's the standard treatment for insomnia.

Xanax is for ANXIETY, not sleep. And it is not commonly prescribed for sleep disorders. Stating it is a common treatment for insomnia is a false rationalization.

So is Clonazepam, and it is Rxed for sleep too ya fucking dope

[Mr, gone]

Now theres something I could never understand..How in the hell doesnt that situation bring someone out of a depression?

I don't get it either. An anti-depresant is suppose to improve one's mood. But the drug itself makes you impotent.:disbelief: Kind of counter productive... I was never depressed anyway (that is until taking the SSRI for about a month).

[slowhand]

How do you know I "don't read"? Do you know me? No, I didn't think so.

Oh, Xanax makes you drowsy, so it must be a treatment for insomia? Morphine and Percodan can make you drowsy so they must be treatments for insomnia too. :rolleyes:

Gee, you are a board certified Forrest Gump.


Its a documented fact that you respond without researching anything..Why would this be any different?

Morphine and Percodan are for pain you sandbox fucking Pharmacist

You like to argue just for the sake of being a ball breaking indifferent malcontent

You are a board certified "Girl Interruted".."Stupid is as stupid does"..Did you take your Thorazine today?

[slowhand]

I don't get it either. An anti-depresant is suppose to improve one's mood. But the drug itself makes you impotent.:disbelief: Kind of counter productive... I was never depressed anyway (that is until taking the SSRI for about a month).

Yes..sometimes the alleged "cure" is worse than the alleged "disease"..I know alot of people who have gotten suicidal on SSRI's..My Mom was on them for most of her life, and nothing ever worked long term..They changed her medication this one particular time, and she attempted suicide and had to be hospitailzed, and the problem was the new medication

For some folks those drugs are tools, and for others a curse

I think many times people are situationally depressed, and given a mental illness diagnosis..put on all kinds of anti depressants, when the answer to their problems lies within, and can be worked out with counceling, self discovery, spirituality, acceptance, etc

[slowhand]

Mint, that is what I thought too. But who am I to talk, because I take seizure medicine and an anti-depressant for chronic pain. Doesn't work very well though. Or else I've worn it out. :(

http://www.cymbalta.com/index.jsp

http://mentalhealth.about.com/od/psychopharmacology/a/cymbalta1.htm

http://osteoarthritis.about.com/b/2009/06/04/drugmaker-lilly-resubmits-application-for-approval-of-cymbalta-for-chronic-pain.htm

[MintJulep]

Its a documented fact that you respond without researching anything..Why would this be any different?

There is no reputable medical source showing Xanax is routinely prescribed for sleep, Forrest. It is prescribed for a crisis or something SHORT TERM.

I'd be still more literate than you if I were three sheets to the wind.

Now go back to crying about being banned from PG. "Woe is me!" :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

How do you know it's not commonly prescribed for insomnia? Are you a doctor. Or a pharmacist? People on this board are telling you we take benzos specifically for sleep.. Plus I know of lots of people who are prescribed them for sleep. I also used to be a therapist and had clients who were given it for sleep. I know people are often given benzos for sleep after a trauamatic event or major surgery. That's why I was intially put on it.... I couldn't sleep after having brain surgery.

Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not happening.. Ohter classes of meds are used as well for insomnia but many docs still prefer to prescribe benzos.Why isn't insomina listed as an indication on various medical sites and PDRs? Of course it doesn't mean is "isn't happening" but it is not ROUTINE.

[Marika]

Nobody said it was routine, they said a doctor uses his own discretion and the medication may be prescribed for other conditions other than what it is normally prescribed for. I take Vicodin for fibromyalgia..it isn't a drug for that condition, Lyrica with it's outrageous side effects is, yet Vicodin works like a charm and is prescribed by my physician explicitly for my fibro.

[CosmicRocker]

Why isn't insomina listed as an indication on various medical sites and PDRs? Of course it doesn't mean is "isn't happening" but it is not ROUTINE.
It depends on what you mean by ROUTINE.
No it's not the first course of treatment, and there are side effects claimed by some Dr's that Xanax deprives one of level 5 REM sleep.

But I dream deeply, and I sleep 8 hours.
I like 8 hours, i wake up completely refreshed, and don't get sleepy, or feel the need to nap.

I can exercise all day long, and take the 2 Mg's around 8:30, by 11:30 the SIDE EFFECT of drowsiness sets in, and I HAVE to go to sleep.

This is what the Dr's prescribe for CHRONIC INSOMNIA - if I said "routine" i took it out of context. This or Valium s the only med you're gonna get if you suffer from chronic insomnia like I do.

They don't prescribe barbiturates anymore, or rarely.
Seconal is the ideal answer, but it ain't happening.

[CosmicRocker]

Nobody said it was routine, they said a doctor uses his own discretion and the medication may be prescribed for other conditions other than what it is normally prescribed for. I take Vicodin for fibromyalgia..it isn't a drug for that condition, Lyrica with it's outrageous side effects is, yet Vicodin works like a charm and is prescribed by my physician explicitly for my fibro.
The Crazy Bitch in Boston ( as John G. has immortalized her)also has fibro -
it's a neuro-skeletal disorder, more often affecting women.

She is on Oxy's - Lyrica made her sick, she moved to something else -i forget.
1 Vicodin?? that's not much for a whole days pain. :disbelief:

[CosmicRocker]

There is no reputable medical source showing Xanax is routinely prescribed for sleep, Forrest. It is prescribed for a crisis or something SHORT TERM.

I'd be still more literate than you if I were three sheets to the wind.

Now go back to crying about being banned from PG. "Woe is me!" :lmao2:
Actually I looked it up,too.

You're correct to an extent it is a anti-anxiety agent as ALL benzo are.

But the SIDE EFFECTS ( drowsiness muscle relaxation) make it a "last resort" drug prescribed by Dr's for sleep.

AGAIN. the problem here is the unavailability of Seconal.
That used to be the standard drug for CHRONIC insomnia.

But like I said - even croakers won't give it out -which leaves benzo's as the default prescription.

[CosmicRocker]

Chambers, how is Ativan working for you? What exactly does it do?
It's daytime benzo (Lorazapam) - it doesn't have much sedative properties, but is a relaxant.
Not a muscle relaxant - a pychotropic anti-anxiety,) it just has very little sedative effects like valium or Xanax

[CosmicRocker]

How awful to suffer from insomnia. I have had it on and off for many years; that's why I used Ambien a few years ago. Had no trouble stopping the drug, just 2 nights of no sleep and I was fine. Several years ago, a divorce helped turn my sleepless nights into restful nights. :)

Now, I'm struggling with fragmented sleep; waking every 1-2 hours due to severe pain in my feet. I have been trying to endure this for over a year and a half, but I'm exhausted every minute of the day. Dr. thought it might be time to try Ambien again; we prefer that to taking an.....crap, I can't think.....they're opiates...for pain. Anyway, we have to do something as it's nearly impossible to function when I've been unable to sleep. I guess loss of sleep has a cumulative effect? It feels like it does.


Take the Pain Meds - you're in PAIN - that's what you ned, not anti-depressents, not benzo, you need relief.

( NOTE: counterindications are increased awareness along with pain control
most people nod off on narcotics, they energize me, and i run around housecleaning, or HAVING to move - so watch out for that)

[CosmicRocker]

So is Clonazepam, and it is Rxed for sleep too ya fucking dope "pins" ( street name) are REALLY nasty.

Stevie Nicks was addicted to them for years.

One of the reasons she didn't want Lindsy Lohan playing her part in an upcoming film
( i don't know the name - i saw her comment on the Fleetwood Mac messageboard)

She's completely drug free now, and doesn't want a current addict to play her part.

[slowhand]

There is no reputable medical source showing Xanax is routinely prescribed for sleep, Forrest. It is prescribed for a crisis or something SHORT TERM.

Dr MintJulep has spoken

Posted by Mr Gone

Fucking Xanax almost killed me!!! I was OVER prescribed this stuff for over five years after a truamatic loss of my career, and diagnosed with GAD (2mg bars three times a day)! I still functioned while on it, though my friends told me I always sounded drunk. (I am 5'9" and 165 Lbs).


This man was Rxed Xanax for five years..Is that what you consider "short term" Cybill?

I'd be still more literate than you if I were three sheets to the wind.

That would be six sheets in you case..You are at three sheets dry :lmao2:

Now go back to crying about being banned from PG. "Woe is me!" :lmao2:

Notice MintJulep and Wayers57 kissed dsolo's ass in the forgiveness thread, while slowhand was sitting behind his monitor laughing his motherfucking ass off after he got done barfing

I could almost hear the violins whining away in the background :lmao2:

[slowhand]

Nobody said it was routine, they said a doctor uses his own discretion and the medication may be prescribed for other conditions other than what it is normally prescribed for. I take Vicodin for fibromyalgia..it isn't a drug for that condition, Lyrica with it's outrageous side effects is, yet Vicodin works like a charm and is prescribed by my physician explicitly for my fibro.

Exactly..I take 300 mg of Amantadine daily for dystonia, and dykinesia

Amantadine is an old anti-viral drug, that just so happens to work on Parkinsons tremor, and the side effects from Levadopa, which are dystonia, and dyskenisia

[Marika]

The Crazy Bitch in Boston ( as John G. has immortalized her)also has fibro -
it's a neuro-skeletal disorder, more often affecting women.

She is on Oxy's - Lyrica made her sick, she moved to something else -i forget.
1 Vicodin?? that's not much for a whole days pain. :disbelief:
I take them four times a day. 7 1/2 mg. each. Works for me.

[CosmicRocker]

I take them four times a day. 7 1/2 mg. each. Works for me.
I was wonderin' !!!!! how you get by on 1.

That sounds reasonable, as you proly have a tolerance and need them every 4 hours, instead of 6.
Narcotics are msot effective from the post dose 1-3 hours after taking them.
they start to drop off quickly after 4 hours - by 6 they are gone.

[Marika]

I was wonderin' !!!!! how you get by on 1.

That sounds reasonable, as you proly have a tolerance and need them every 4 hours, instead of 6.
Narcotics are msot effective from the post dose 1-3 hours after taking them.
they start to drop off quickly after 4 hours - by 6 they are gone.
And the pain doesn't come back gradually after four hours, it comes back with a vengeance! Just like a faucet turning on full blast.

[chambers92]

It's daytime benzo (Lorazapam) - it doesn't have much sedative properties, but is a relaxant.
Not a muscle relaxant - a pychotropic anti-anxiety,) it just has very little sedative effects like valium or Xanax

Wrong.. Ativan does have sedative effects for some people. After all these years it still makes me very sleepy. I wouldn't be able to take it in the day.

I've take Valium before and MRI or when I fly and I don't feel as sedated on it as I do with Ativan. Valium makes me feel a little"drunk" for about 30 minutes after taking it and then I just feel relaxed.

[chambers92]

Chambers, how is Ativan working for you? What exactly does it do?

It makes me feel relaxed and very sleepy. I take it a few hours before I go to bed.

[CosmicRocker]

Wrong.. Ativan does have sedative effects for some people. After all these years it still makes me very sleepy. I wouldn't be able to take it in the day.

I've take Valium before and MRI or when I fly and I don't feel as sedated on it as I do with Ativan. Valium makes me feel a little"drunk" for about 30 minutes after taking it and then I just feel relaxed.
Odd, just goes to show as the point has been made that everyone reacts differently.

Valium knocks me out - but it takes a LONG time to do so, maybe 4+ hours.
It's half life seems like forever, so maybe the Ativan effects hit you quicker, and give you faster sedation.

[CosmicRocker]

And the pain doesn't come back gradually after four hours, it comes back with a vengeance! Just like a faucet turning on full blast.
Fibro is nasty business/
The Crazy Bitch didn't know she had it last time we were together.

If I so muched as hugged her, she would scream in agony.

I think her Dr. wants to do pain blocking surgery, but she won't do it.

so she lives on Oxy's, and something else I can't recall.

Nasty stuff. You have my best wishes dealing with it.

[Marika]

I have a whole bottle of flexeril, which I rarely take because although it allows me to sleep and yet wake up and fall back asleep easily, it cause extreme grogginess and I only need to take 1/2 of a 10mg. tab to be knocked on my ass.

[Marika]

Fibro is nasty business/
The Crazy Bitch didn't know she had it last time we were together.

If I so muched as hugged her, she would scream in agony.

I think her Dr. wants to do pain blocking surgery, but she won't do it.

so she lives on Oxy's, and something else I can't recall.

Nasty stuff. You have my best wishes dealing with it.
It's neurological and also is now being considered as an autoimmune disorder. In addition, REM is rarely achieved, but when it is, we don't stay in it long enough to receive quality sleep. Instead our brains have these burst like wakeful moments all night long. It's no wonder we're so tired and bitchy:D

[chambers92]

Odd, just goes to show as the point has been made that everyone reacts differently.

Valium knocks me out - but it takes a LONG time to do so, maybe 4+ hours.
It's half life seems like forever, so maybe the Ativan effects hit you quicker, and give you faster sedation.


Valium has a really long half life, 72 hours...much longer than Xanax or Ativan. In fact some docs prescribe it to people who want to get off of Ativan becasue of the longer half life. The idea is to replace the Ativan with Valium and then you start to taper it. Supposedly it makes tapering off of it easier.

When I have take Valium I initially feel "drunk" for about 20 minutes afterwards and then I feel normal. For some reason I don't feel sleepy on it.

[CosmicRocker]

Valium has a really long half life, 72 hours...much longer than Xanax or Ativan. In fact some docs prescribe it to people who want to get off of Ativan becasue of the longer half life. The idea is to replace the Ativan with Valium and then you start to taper it. Supposedly it makes tapering off of it easier.

When I have take Valium I initially feel "drunk" for about 20 minutes afterwards and then I feel normal. For some reason I don't feel sleepy on it.
Pretty much the same way for me.

I was up to 20mgs a night, and STILL had trouble sleeping, but when it DID kick in, i would pass out,
sometimes waking up drooling on the keyboard after 8 hours.

10 mg's don't affect me at all.

Freaking Benzo's -they are weird dope.
But the DEA just won't let Dr's prescribe "sleeping pills" for sleeping.
No -we have to rely on side effects.

I's toss them all in a heartbeat for some Seconal.

[CosmicRocker]

It's neurological and also is now being considered as an autoimmune disorder. In addition, REM is rarely achieved, but when it is, we don't stay in it long enough to receive quality sleep. Instead our brains have these burst like wakeful moments all night long. It's no wonder we're so tired and bitchy:D Understood, I saw the effects fisrthand, even though it was undiagnosed.

No deep sleep, constant pain - you got a right to bitch ! :D

[CosmicRocker]

I have a whole bottle of flexeril, which I rarely take because although it allows me to sleep and yet wake up and fall back asleep easily, it cause extreme grogginess and I only need to take 1/2 of a 10mg. tab to be knocked on my ass.
is Flexeril a muscle relaxer?

[CosmicRocker]

this whiole thing is giving me a headache!

anyone got any Fiorinal?

I had a few arond, but i used them up, because they were the best damn headache med. i ever had.

[Marika]

is Flexeril a muscle relaxer?
Yes. great for fibro, but so not worth it the next day.

[CosmicRocker]

Yes. great for fibro, but so not worth it the next day.
jeese. no good answers -huh?

[Marika]

jeese. no good answers -huh?
It's true the same medication works differently on everyone. For some, Vicodin kicks their asses and induces sleep, for me, it helps me function and doesn't make me sleepy in the least. Doctors know this, which is why they allow us to test and try different medications until we get one with satisfactory results. Zanax works for you, Slowhand's for him, Chamber's for her, Cookie's for her and mine for me:)

[chambers92]

It's true the same medication works differently on everyone. For some, Vicodin kicks their asses and induces sleep, for me, it helps me function and doesn't make me sleepy in the least. Doctors know this, which is why they allow us to test and try different medications until we get one with satisfactory results. Zanax works for you, Slowhand's for him, Chamber's for her, Cookie's for her and mine for me:)


Oh.. no... those meds can't be working for us because Dr Minty hasn't approved of their use. ;) Only Dr Minty knows when and how meds should be used.

[Marika]

Oh.. no... those meds can't be working for us because Dr Minty hasn't approved of their use. ;) Only Dr Minty knows when and how meds should be used.
Textbook info only, without the degree isn't worth squat.

[chambers92]

Pretty much the same way for me.

I was up to 20mgs a night, and STILL had trouble sleeping, but when it DID kick in, i would pass out,
sometimes waking up drooling on the keyboard after 8 hours.

10 mg's don't affect me at all.

Freaking Benzo's -they are weird dope.
But the DEA just won't let Dr's prescribe "sleeping pills" for sleeping.
No -we have to rely on side effects.

I's toss them all in a heartbeat for some Seconal.

There are really no good choices when it comes to sleep meds. Most meds prescribed for sleep have side effects and many are addictive and hard to get off of if used for more than a few weeks. None are recommended for long term use.

Docs have gone back and forth in their decision to prescribe benzos for sleep. I think they keep going back to using them because there aren't many other good choices. Even Ambien has proven to have problems, with side effects and addiction.

[chambers92]

Textbook info only, without the degree isn't worth squat.

Amen to that.:thumbsup:

[CosmicRocker]

It's true the same medication works differently on everyone. For some, Vicodin kicks their asses and induces sleep, for me, it helps me function and doesn't make me sleepy in the least. Doctors know this, which is why they allow us to test and try different medications until we get one with satisfactory results. Zanax works for you, Slowhand's for him, Chamber's for her, Cookie's for her and mine for me:)
There's always Mexico !!

Went to Cuidad Juarez about 10 years ago, walked into a pharmacia
and benzo were sold OTC.

prolly need a RX. for the narcotics, but like everything else in Mexico, all you REALLY need is some greenbacks ( money)

[slowhand]

It's true the same medication works differently on everyone. For some, Vicodin kicks their asses and induces sleep, for me, it helps me function and doesn't make me sleepy in the least. Doctors know this, which is why they allow us to test and try different medications until we get one with satisfactory results. Zanax works for you, Slowhand's for him, Chamber's for her, Cookie's for her and mine for me:)

So it is a fact that some drugs are successful in treating diseases that they werent originally invented for unlike Dr MintJulep claims

Wonder if I can sue her for malpractice? :lmao2:

[John Galt]

So it is a fact that some drugs are successful in treating diseases that they werent originally invented for unlike Dr MintJulep claims

:lmao2:
Yea...like Viagra, and RU486

[MintJulep]

This man was Rxed Xanax for five years..Is that what you consider "short term" Cybill? No Forrest. It was a poor and uncaring medical decision. This poor man wound up with a painful addiction which could have been prevented.

Notice MintJulep and Wayers57 kissed dsolo's ass in the forgiveness thread, while slowhand was sitting behind his monitor laughing his motherfucking ass off after he got done barfing Obviously you don't know the definition of asskissing. Agreeing w/a statement is not ass-kissing, which means fawning all over someone, usually for self-serving reasons.

[MintJulep]

Oh.. no... those meds can't be working for us because Dr Minty hasn't approved of their use. ;) Only Dr Minty knows when and how meds should be used.No I'm jealous my doctor won't prescribe them to me that easily. But at the same time, I'm glad I'm not addicted to them. He said, "you don't need to get addicted to Xanax".

[MintJulep]

Actually I looked it up,too.

You're correct to an extent it is a anti-anxiety agent as ALL benzo are.

That was my only point...

[doctordog]

Notice MintJulep and Wayers57 kissed dsolo's ass in the forgiveness thread, while slowhand was sitting behind his monitor laughing his motherfucking ass off after he got done barfing

Are you still throwing up monkey hairs? makes sense after all those years of swallowing on command.

[chambers92]

No I'm jealous my doctor won't prescribe them to me that easily. But at the same time, I'm glad I'm not addicted to them. He said, "you don't need to get addicted to Xanax".


So then you do admit that benzos can be used to treat insomnia?

You're probably better off with a doc who doesn't give them out like candy. I wish my doc had been more like that.

[chambers92]

Are you still throwing up monkey hairs? makes sense after all those years of swallowing on command.


For shit's sake....do you have to ruin every fucking thread? This thread isn't about you. Stay out of threads if you can't be civil.

[doctordog]

For shit's sake....do you have to ruin every fucking thread? This thread isn't about you. Stay out of threads if you can't be civil.

Can you not fucking read? I wouldn't have entered if that motherfucker could give me a rest for even one day.

I guess you didn't read the wayers and minty comment he made today, shit.

[MintJulep]

So then you do admit that benzos can be used to treat insomnia?

You're probably better off with a doc who doesn't give them out like candy. I wish my doc had been more like that.It can be on a short-term basis, like in a crisis, but is not the drug of choice to treat insomia. Anything more will lead to a serious addiction. I wanted them for actual anxiety, but my doctor feels very strongly about their addictive properties and tried to get me to take Lexapro instead, so I just forgot about it.

I can get prescriptions on an occasional basis, but nothing with refills. I've never abused them but I do like to have them for an as-needed basis.

[gOd]

For shit's sake....do you have to ruin every fucking thread? This thread isn't about you. Stay out of threads if you can't be civil.
He prefers to ruin entire message boards.

[gOd]

It can be on a short-term basis, like in a crisis, but is not the drug of choice to treat insomia. Anything more will lead to a serious addiction. I wanted them for actual anxiety, but my doctor feels very strongly about their addictive properties and tried to get me to take Lexapro instead, so I just forgot about it.

I can get prescriptions on an occasional basis, but nothing with refills. I've never abused them but I do like to have them for an as-needed basis.
I don't take anything for my insomnia. I just stay up until I get tired which is usually around 7am. Then, I get 2-3 hours of REM time. Being self-employed has its advantages in this department. I try not schedule morning meetings.

[CosmicRocker]

It can be on a short-term basis, like in a crisis, but is not the drug of choice to treat insomia. Anything more will lead to a serious addiction. I wanted them for actual anxiety, but my doctor feels very strongly about their addictive properties and tried to get me to take Lexapro instead, so I just forgot about it.

I can get prescriptions on an occasional basis, but nothing with refills. I've never abused them but I do like to have them for an as-needed basis.
All sleep aids that have addictive qualities are OBVIOUSLY not recommened for long term use.
The longer you use them, the more addicted one becomes.
Not just chemically, but also "psychologically" ( habituated).

Personally. I don't give a flying fuck. That's just me.
I've been addicted to benzo's before, barbiturates, heroin, the list is endless -
except alcohol.

I know what addictions are. I know how to kick them.
I know how to deal with the various symptomatic conditions that come with each unique withdrawl.

Then there is the school of thought I subscribe to:
If I'm addicted, but the supply is endless, and it improves my life -
then my addiction is not per se' a problem.

Most drug addictions do NOT improve one's quality of life.
This one does, so fine.
Another junkie day -'er night in this case. So be it.

Like the years I was on methadone, i finally got sick and tired
( as all junkies eventually do if they don't die) of having to put up with it, and weaned myself off it.
Learned my lesson, and stay off narcotics now.

Pppl FREAK OUT ! OMG ! I'm addicted !!!

so fucking what? you can always get unaddicted, and you have a steady supply, and it's helping you, what's the big deal?

The Dr's never could answer that one for me - it blows their mind that one can be addicted, and well and happy. :D

[doctordog]

He prefers to ruin entire message boards.

Just like you.

[gOd]

Just like you.
You really need to ask your doctor if there's something he can prescribe for you multiple personality disorder.

[doctordog]

You really need to ask your doctor if there's something he can prescribe for you multiple personality disorder.

If I was weak like you I would, however, I do not need a crutch to be accept the hand that life deals us, however, I do realize some have little or no other choice in order to cope.

[gOd]

If I was weak like you I would, however, I do not need a crutch to be accept the hand that life deals us, however, I do realize some have little or no other choice in order to cope.
A crutch? Do you mean the once-a-month pot I smoke when one of my friends offers it to me? That's not a crutch. That's a party.

[chambers92]

It can be on a short-term basis, like in a crisis, but is not the drug of choice to treat insomia. Anything more will lead to a serious addiction. I wanted them for actual anxiety, but my doctor feels very strongly about their addictive properties and tried to get me to take Lexapro instead, so I just forgot about it.

I can get prescriptions on an occasional basis, but nothing with refills. I've never abused them but I do like to have them for an as-needed basis.

I don't know what the drug of choice for insomnia is because all drugs used for it can have problems. Ambien didn't end up to be the perfect drug they thought it would be. The trick is to not be on any of those drugs long term.

[chambers92]

Just like you.

No...god contributes positively to theads where as you stink them up with all your bullshit.

[chambers92]

I don't take anything for my insomnia. I just stay up until I get tired which is usually around 7am. Then, I get 2-3 hours of REM time. Being self-employed has its advantages in this department. I try not schedule morning meetings.


That's how I used to be before I had brain surgery. I've had insomnia since I've been a kid and never needed much sleep. After my brain surgery which led to other health issues I needed more sleep and that's when my insomnia became a problem.

[CosmicRocker]

I don't know what the drug of choice for insomnia is because all drugs used for it can have problems. Ambien didn't end up to be the perfect drug they thought it would be. The trick is to not be on any of those drugs long term.
Or knowing that you gotta kick it one day, if the supply runs out.

Other than that, a vice becomes a habit, becomes an addiction.

It's not pleasent to kick, but it's not the end of the world either.
As long as you know what you're gonna go thru, and can take the time to do it.

I've kicked benzo's before. High anxiety, a couple of weeks to change one's sleep pattern. No biggie.

You got to pay the piper, when the song is over.
as long as you're willing and able,"turn on" the music.

[doctordog]

No...god contributes positively to theads where as you stink them up with all your bullshit.

Actually you are the only spouting bullshit, and you have the option to leave so STFU.

[gOd]

That's how I used to be before I had brain surgery. I've had insomnia since I've been a kid and never needed much sleep. After my brain surgery which led to other health issues I needed more sleep and that's when my insomnia became a problem.
I've had insomnia since I was a kid as well. I get it from my mom.

[CosmicRocker]

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[Marika]

My doctor gave me Lexapro once..I tried it and at first I felt so calm, but it seemed to take just a little too long to answer anyone when they spoke to me. And I felt like the floor wasn't quite meeting my feet..you know what I mean? Then after about two weeks, I found myself becoming really edgy, so we then dropped those from my list of tried and didn't work medications.

[Marika]

I've had insomnia since I was a kid as well. I get it from my mom.
I have never slept more than five hours a night. I still wake myself tossing and turning all night long so there is no sleep to be had.

[slowhand]

No Forrest. It was a poor and uncaring medical decision. This poor man wound up with a painful addiction which could have been prevented.

Him and many others

Obviously you don't know the definition of asskissing. Agreeing w/a statement is not ass-kissing, which means fawning all over someone, usually for self-serving reasons.

Wasnt long ago you and your asshole buddy were throwing everything in the book at dsolo..Then shit went south at RV..Now you're both sucking up..Pa-fucking-thetic

[chambers92]

I've had insomnia since I was a kid as well. I get it from my mom.

Same thing. And she got it from her mom.

[chambers92]

Or knowing that you gotta kick it one day, if the supply runs out.

Other than that, a vice becomes a habit, becomes an addiction.

It's not pleasent to kick, but it's not the end of the world either.
As long as you know what you're gonna go thru, and can take the time to do it.

I've kicked benzo's before. High anxiety, a couple of weeks to change one's sleep pattern. No biggie.

You got to pay the piper, when the song is over.
as long as you're willing and able,"turn on" the music.

I'm not sure if Ativan is messing with some of my other health issues. At some point I'm going to attempt to get off of it.

[MintJulep]

I don't know what the drug of choice for insomnia is because all drugs used for it can have problems. Ambien didn't end up to be the perfect drug they thought it would be. The trick is to not be on any of those drugs long term.I agree....

[MintJulep]

I don't take anything for my insomnia. I just stay up until I get tired which is usually around 7am. Then, I get 2-3 hours of REM time. Being self-employed has its advantages in this department. I try not schedule morning meetings.Sounds like a sweet schedule you got there. Luckily, I have no problems sleeping either. Getting up is another story.

[MintJulep]

All sleep aids that have addictive qualities are OBVIOUSLY not recommened for long term use.
The longer you use them, the more addicted one becomes.
Not just chemically, but also "psychologically" ( habituated).

Personally. I don't give a flying fuck. That's just me.
I've been addicted to benzo's before, barbiturates, heroin, the list is endless -
except alcohol.

I know what addictions are. I know how to kick them.
I know how to deal with the various symptomatic conditions that come with each unique withdrawl.

Then there is the school of thought I subscribe to:
If I'm addicted, but the supply is endless, and it improves my life -
then my addiction is not per se' a problem.

Most drug addictions do NOT improve one's quality of life.
This one does, so fine.
Another junkie day -'er night in this case. So be it.

Like the years I was on methadone, i finally got sick and tired
( as all junkies eventually do if they don't die) of having to put up with it, and weaned myself off it.
Learned my lesson, and stay off narcotics now.

Pppl FREAK OUT ! OMG ! I'm addicted !!!

so fucking what? you can always get unaddicted, and you have a steady supply, and it's helping you, what's the big deal?

The Dr's never could answer that one for me - it blows their mind that one can be addicted, and well and happy. :DRight, but Xanax withdrawal can include seizures, and I'm sorry but that just scares the shit out of me. Don't get me wrong, I do love them. I just never abuse them. A seizure is the last thing I want to have...

[MintJulep]

My doctor gave me Lexapro once..I tried it and at first I felt so calm, but it seemed to take just a little too long to answer anyone when they spoke to me. And I felt like the floor wasn't quite meeting my feet..you know what I mean? Then after about two weeks, I found myself becoming really edgy, so we then dropped those from my list of tried and didn't work medications.Yes, that was my option when my Xanax request was denied. :D

I refuse to take anti-depressants because I understand they can permanently alter the chemical make-up of your brain.

[MintJulep]

Him and many others And?

Wasnt long ago you and your asshole buddy were throwing everything in the book at dsolo..Then shit went south at RV..Now you're both sucking up..Pa-fucking-thetic And, your point? The difference between me and you is I get over things and use them for attention for yourself.

What "went South"? Agreeing with a statement is not sucking up. Why does it bother you so that I agreed with something dsolo said?

[doctordog]

And?

And, your point? The difference between me and you is I get over things and use them for attention for yourself.

What "went South"? Agreeing with a statement is not sucking up. Why does it bother you so that I agreed with something dsolo said?

He must not believe in forgiveness, that is too bad, as it appears he has a huge heart when he chooses.

[chambers92]

Right, but Xanax withdrawal can include seizures, and I'm sorry but that just scares the shit out of me. Don't get me wrong, I do love them. I just never abuse them. A seizure is the last thing I want to have...

The seizure part of benzo withdrawl scares me as well. That's why it's important to taper them really slowly. I think being on a benzo right after I had the brain surgery prevented me from having a post surgery seizure. But anyone can have a seizure when trying to withdraw from them.

[slowhand]

And?

Xanax is Rxed for anxiety..(short term)..anxiety disorder..(long term)



And, your point? The difference between me and you is I get over things and use them for attention for yourself.

What "went South"? Agreeing with a statement is not sucking up. Why does it bother you so that I agreed with something dsolo said?

My point is, you are a lying hypocrite..Go back and read what you've posted about dsolo, Eric, and PG in general..

You are given a second chance at RV, but you cant get along with anybody, so it then becomes convenient for you, to critisize my critisism of PG, after you cheered me on to the bitter end and shot your big mouth off, and dissed dsolo in the Welcome thread..Ya see Minty..heres the deal..When you get bootted from PG, you come to RV, and when you get deleted from RV you go back to PG ad infinitum..You are a friend of the person who is sitting next to you at your convenience..You have no principles, and you have no dignity

I got banned from PG for having the balls to say what alot of people over there past and present were thinking, but never expressed, for whatever reason..Some people just dont wanna rock the boat, and thats fine..And still others dont think the boat needs to be rocked..Their business..My business was done over there, and I was well aware, that after what I said, there was no turning back..That was a conscious decision, followed by action on my part..So, cut the fucking bullshit that Im whining cuz I got banned..I knew full well I was gonna get banned, and I didnt give a fuck then, and I dont give a fuck now..He dared to ban me, so I told him to "go fuck his mother"..If I gave two shits about getting banned, do you think I would have said that?..No..I would have said "Yes Master..Can I shine your shoes Master?".."Please dont ban me Master..I'll be good..I promise"..Is that in simple enough english for you to comprehend?

My position on PG is final..I will not try to sneak in there with a new usename..I will not go back there if the ban is lifted..I will not go back there if invited..I will not go back there if begged..And finally, I will not go back there if paid

That Ms Julep is the "difference between you and I"

[Cookie]

Yes, that was my option when my Xanax request was denied. :D

I refuse to take anti-depressants because I understand they can permanently alter the chemical make-up of your brain.

Really? That scares me, I've been on them for over a decade. :eek: :scared1:
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[MintJulep]

Xanax is Rxed for anxiety..(short term)..anxiety disorder..(long term) No one has argued Xanax is not dispensed for anxiety, least of all, me.

My point is, you are a lying hypocrite..Go back and read what you've posted about dsolo, Eric, and PG in general.. Yes, I'm fully aware of what I've written. I was banned at PG and I was angry about it. I'm mature enough to move on and set the hate down. My harboring a grudge, whining and crying over it for the next several years is going to harm no one but me.

Maybe you should try it some time. Or, at least stop whining about it, for fucks sake.

You are given a second chance at RV, but you cant get along with anybody, so it then becomes convenient for you, to critisize my critisism of PG, after you cheered me on to the bitter end and shot your big mouth off, and dissed dsolo in the Welcome thread..Ya see Minty..heres the deal..When you get bootted from PG, you come to RV, and when you get deleted from RV you go back to PG ad infinitum..You are a friend of the person who is sitting next to you at your convenience..You have no principles, and you have no dignity You're a clueless imbecile who doesn't know WTF you're talking about. And I'll just leave it at that.

I got banned from PG for having the balls to say what alot of people over there past and present were thinking, but never expressed, for whatever reason..Some people just dont wanna rock the boat, and thats fine..And still others dont think the boat needs to be rocked..Their business..My business was done over there, and I was well aware, that after what I said, there was no turning back..That was a conscious decision, followed by action on my part..So, cut the fucking bullshit that Im whining cuz I got banned..I knew full well I was gonna get banned, and I didnt give a fuck then, and I dont give a fuck now..He dared to ban me, so I told him to "go fuck his mother"..If I gave two shits about getting banned, do you think I would have said that?..No..I would have said "Yes Master..Can I shine your shoes Master?".."Please dont ban me Master..I'll be good..I promise"..Is that in simple enough english for you to comprehend? What you did was nothing heroic. You were performing for an audience. Simply put, you are a yes man who won't rock the apple cart. You had me so fooled and sucked into your pity party I was actually defending you. I've seen how gutless you are now. You won't dare go against the grain if it won't get you approval and accolades from the hyenas standing behind you.

I see through you like glass, you compliant chickenshit.

My position on PG is final..I will not try to sneak in there with a new usename..I will not go back there if the ban is lifted..I will not go back there if invited..I will not go back there if begged..And finally, I will not go back there if paid

That Ms Julep is the "difference between you and I" Good for you. Am I supposed to be impressed? The difference between you and me is I simply don't give a fuck what anyone "thinks" about where I post. My choices are mine and in no way reflect any weakness on my part. I know who I am. I don't need a brigade of braying hyenas to tell me that.

[slowhand]

No one has argued Xanax is not dispensed for anxiety, least of all, me.

The topic is Xanax..Long term?..Short term?..Get with the program!

Yes, I'm fully aware of what I've written. I was banned at PG and I was angry about it. I'm mature enough to move on and set the hate down. My harboring a grudge, whining and crying over it for the next several years is going to harm no one but me.

Here we fucking go again!!..Why does every other fucking thread end up about fucking PG?..You are the one whos fucking whining, and you've been whining for one hell of a long time..Did you already forget?

The first fucking post dated July 15, 2008..and you made peace with dsolo when?..A fucking week ago?..Ya hypocritical fucking douchebag!!!

http://www.rumblevillains.com/showthread.php?t=2112

Maybe you should try it some time. Or, at least stop whining about it, for fucks sake.

See above

You're a clueless imbecile who doesn't know WTF you're talking about. And I'll just leave it at that.

And you've got the spine of a jellyfish too

What you did was nothing heroic. You were performing for an audience. Simply put, you are a yes man who won't rock the apple cart. You had me so fooled and sucked into your pity party I was actually defending you. I've seen how gutless you are now. You won't dare go against the grain if it won't get you approval and accolades from the hyenas standing behind you.

Those accollades are the people who I call friends..They have credibility, integrity..I trust them..How can I trust someone who lies cronically, and is asshole buddies with the likes of dog?..No thanks..Check please!!

I see through you like glass, you compliant chickenshit.

The glass you should be looking through is your own...We cant have a civil fucking dicussion about medications, and our experiences with them, without you making a partisan fucking drama out of it, and dragging fucking PG into it

Good for you. Am I supposed to be impressed? The difference between you and me is I simply don't give a fuck what anyone "thinks" about where I post.

Good, then dont bring it up anymore, because I sick of talking about it


My choices are mine and in no way reflect any weakness on my part. I know who I am. I don't need a brigade of braying hyenas to tell me that.

Good for you!..Maybe theres hope we can get back on topic again

Ive said all I am going to say about this bullshit..The next post that contains any PG rhetoric will be ignored, because you throw it at me when put your foot in your mouth, and have nothing else to defend yourself with, so you throw that crap at me..And I nor anyone else here gives a fuck about it..So find some new material

[CosmicRocker]

Right, but Xanax withdrawal can include seizures, and I'm sorry but that just scares the shit out of me. Don't get me wrong, I do love them. I just never abuse them. A seizure is the last thing I want to have...
I know. I stated it earlier.
1 2mg tab at bed, is very unlikely ( I've withdrawn from more before),
if I skip a dose now, i don't have any problems, other than getting to sleep.

Damn things are unpredictable though - last night I fell over in 2 hours.
Other nights it's almost like a placebo.

[MintJulep]

Here we fucking go again!!..Why does every other fucking thread end up about fucking PG?..You are the one whos fucking whining, and you've been whining for one hell of a long time..Did you already forget? YOU brought PG into it with your post whining about my reply to dsolo. Yes, I wrote it. I meant it. Get the hell over it.

Those accollades are the people who I call friends..They have credibility, integrity..I trust them..How can I trust someone who lies cronically, and is asshole buddies with the likes of dog?..No thanks..Check please!! Then you admit you've done nothing heroic. Performing for your feces bandwagon took no "bravery". Acknowledging my post in front of that same shit bandwagon would have taken courage -- and we see how you handled that. Like a spineless wuss.

The glass you should be looking through is your own...We cant have a civil fucking dicussion about medications, and our experiences with them, without you making a partisan fucking drama out of it, and dragging fucking PG into it

..and you made peace with dsolo when?..A fucking week ago?..Ya hypocritical fucking douchebag!!! I'm having a civil discussion, except w/you.

I agreed with dsolo in a thread, if you don't like it, too bad. I meant it. I have moved on and am not carrying a grudge against him. I can forgive, but not forget -- as most intelligent people can do. Right now, he is okay in my book and much more mature than you. Saying that takes more bravery than all of your whining and movies combined, yet I don't need to sport an avatar of a pistol packing mama to know that.

Ive said all I am going to say about this bullshit..The next post that contains any PG rhetoric will be ignored, because you throw it at me when put your foot in your mouth, and have nothing else to defend yourself with, so you throw that crap at me..And I nor anyone else here gives a fuck about it..So find some new materialQuite the contrary, you LOVE talking about it and portraying yourself as some type of badass along the lines of Al Pacino in Scarface. Puleeze. Don't make me laugh. You are a yes-man afraid to go against the grain. You and your instigating sister, who you hold up as some bastion of the perfect poster, was in reality, the biggest instigator to ever grace that board.

[MintJulep]

I know. I stated it earlier.
1 2mg tab at bed, is very unlikely ( I've withdrawn from more before),
if I skip a dose now, i don't have any problems, other than getting to sleep.

Damn things are unpredictable though - last night I fell over in 2 hours.
Other nights it's almost like a placebo.I enjoy them too much being awake to waste being on them when I'm asleep. lol. But they will put me to sleep, no doubt about it.

[CosmicRocker]

I enjoy them too much being awake to waste being on them when I'm asleep. lol. But they will put me to sleep, no doubt about it.
I won't take them during the day, that would def. lead to habituation, if not addiction.
If I need to calm down, a bowl of weed works fine.

I prefer a weed high to the Xanax, cause i do loose some motor controls w/ Xanax

[Marika]

Really? That scares me, I've been on them for over a decade. :eek: :scared1:
You're okay:D Don't worry. Anti-depressants restore serotonin in the brain (the feel good receptors) Some people have very low levels before taking SSRI's and after a few months of treatment may be permanently cured. The problem lies in patients being placed on several SSRI's which cause an overstimulation. This can lead to the fatal condition called serotonin syndrome.

[slowhand]

No one has argued Xanax is not dispensed for anxiety, least of all, me.

Yes, I'm fully aware of what I've written. I was banned at PG and I was angry about it. I'm mature enough to move on and set the hate down. My harboring a grudge, whining and crying over it for the next several years is going to harm no one but me.

Maybe you should try it some time. Or, at least stop whining about it, for fucks sake.

You're a clueless imbecile who doesn't know WTF you're talking about. And I'll just leave it at that.

What you did was nothing heroic. You were performing for an audience. Simply put, you are a yes man who won't rock the apple cart. You had me so fooled and sucked into your pity party I was actually defending you. I've seen how gutless you are now. You won't dare go against the grain if it won't get you approval and accolades from the hyenas standing behind you.

I see through you like glass, you compliant chickenshit.

Good for you. Am I supposed to be impressed? The difference between you and me is I simply don't give a fuck what anyone "thinks" about where I post. My choices are mine and in no way reflect any weakness on my part. I know who I am. I don't need a brigade of braying hyenas to tell me that.

Here is where the 'civility" went south

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=144281&postcount=80


And here is the first whiney fucking ass post about PG, authored by guess fucking who?

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=144456&postcount=102


If you took the time to fucking READ ANYTHING, you would know who said what/when

This was a civil discussion until you started flapping your fucking pie hole, as usual..You think you know it all..You dont know Jack Shit about Diddly Fucking Squat

Gather the facts before you spew your fucking swill imbicile

[slowhand]

There is no reputable medical source showing Xanax is routinely prescribed for sleep, Forrest. It is prescribed for a crisis or something SHORT TERM.

I'd be still more literate than you if I were three sheets to the wind.

Now go back to crying about being banned from PG. "Woe is me!" :lmao2:

There it is dumbass, incase you're too lazy to click on the link

[Cookie]

You're okay:D Don't worry. Anti-depressants restore serotonin in the brain (the feel good receptors) Some people have very low levels before taking SSRI's and after a few months of treatment may be permanently cured. The problem lies in patients being placed on several SSRI's which cause an overstimulation. This can lead to the fatal condition called serotonin syndrome.

This hasn't been the case with me. I've tried 4 different kinds of AD's and none of them have worked. I think I would need a daisy-cutter sized pill to kill my depression. I know alot of it is related to the ungodly pain in my feet.

Woe is me. :tired: :melodramatic:
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[CosmicRocker]

This hasn't been the case with me. I've tried 4 different kinds of AD's and none of them have worked. I think I would need a daisy-cutter sized pill to kill my depression. I know alot of it is related to the ungodly pain in my feet.

Woe is me. :tired: :melodramatic:
wel; then - that should tell you something - no?

the AD's aren't helpful .
you have UNGODLY PAIN
so the answer is not AD's it is PAIN MEDS.

[CosmicRocker]

GENERIC NAME: tramadol
BRAND NAME: Ultram
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Tramadol is a man-made (synthetic) analgesic (pain reliever). Its exact mechanism of action is unknown but similar morphine. Like morphine, tramadol binds to receptors in the brain (opioid receptors) that are important for transmitting the sensation of pain from throughout the body to. Tramadol, like other narcotics used for the treatment of pain, may be abused. Tramadol is not a nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drug (NSAID) and does not have the increased risk of stomach ulceration and internal bleeding that can occur with NSAIDs.

PRESCRIPTION: Yes

GENERIC AVAILABLE: Yes

PREPARATIONS: Tablets (immediate release): 50 mg. Tablets (extended release): 100, 200, and 300 mg.

STORAGE: Store at room temperature, 15-30°C (59-86°F). Store in a sealed container.

PRESCRIBED FOR: Tramadol is used in the management of moderate to moderately severe pain. Extended release tablets are used for moderate to moderately severe chronic pain in adults who require continuous treatment for an extended period.

DOSING: The recommended dose of tramadol is 50-100 mg (immediate release tablets) every 4-6 hours as needed for pain. The maximum dose is 400 mg/day. To improve tolerance patients should be started at 25 mg/day, and doses may be increased by 25 mg every 3 days to reach 100 mg/day (25 mg 4 times daily). Thereafter, doses can be increased by 50 mg every 3 days to reach 200 mg day (50 mg 4 times daily). Tramadol may be taken with or without food.

Recommended dose for extended release tablets is 100 mg daily which may be increased by 100 mg every 5 days but not to exceed 300 mg /day. Extended release tablets should be swallowed whole and not crushed or chewed.

DRUG INTERACTIONS: Carbamazepine reduces the effect of tramadol by increasing its inactivation in the body. Quinidine (Quinaglute, Quinidex) reduces the inactivation of tramadol, thereby increasing the concentration of tramadol by 50%-60%. Combining tramadol with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (for example, Parnate) or selective serotonin inhibitors [(SSRIs, for example, fluoxetine (Prozac)] may result in severe side effects such as seizures or a condition called serotonin syndrome.

Tramadol may increase central nervous system and respiratory depression when combined with alcohol, anesthetics, narcotics, tranquilizers or sedative hypnotics.

PREGNANCY: The safety of tramadol during pregnancy has not been established.

NURSING MOTHERS: The safety of tramadol in nursing mothers has not been established.

SIDE EFFECTS: Tramadol is generally well tolerated, and side effects are usually transient. Commonly reported side effects include nausea, constipation, dizziness, headache, drowsiness, and vomiting. Less commonly reported side effects include itching, sweating, dry mouth, diarrhea, rash, visual disturbances, and vertigo. Some patients who received tramadol have reported seizures. Abrupt withdrawal of tramadol may result in anxiety, sweating, insomnia, rigors, pain, nausea, diarrhea, tremors, and hallucinations.

[Cookie]

GENERIC NAME: tramadol
BRAND NAME: Ultram
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Tramadol is a man-made (synthetic) analgesic (pain reliever). Its exact mechanism of action is unknown but similar morphine. Like morphine, tramadol binds to receptors in the brain (opioid receptors) that are important for transmitting the sensation of pain from throughout the body to. Tramadol, like other narcotics used for the treatment of pain, may be abused. Tramadol is not a nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drug (NSAID) and does not have the increased risk of stomach ulceration and internal bleeding that can occur with NSAIDs.

PRESCRIPTION: Yes

GENERIC AVAILABLE: Yes

PREPARATIONS: Tablets (immediate release): 50 mg. Tablets (extended release): 100, 200, and 300 mg.

STORAGE: Store at room temperature, 15-30?C (59-86?F). Store in a sealed container.

PRESCRIBED FOR: Tramadol is used in the management of moderate to moderately severe pain. Extended release tablets are used for moderate to moderately severe chronic pain in adults who require continuous treatment for an extended period.

DOSING: The recommended dose of tramadol is 50-100 mg (immediate release tablets) every 4-6 hours as needed for pain. The maximum dose is 400 mg/day. To improve tolerance patients should be started at 25 mg/day, and doses may be increased by 25 mg every 3 days to reach 100 mg/day (25 mg 4 times daily). Thereafter, doses can be increased by 50 mg every 3 days to reach 200 mg day (50 mg 4 times daily). Tramadol may be taken with or without food.

Recommended dose for extended release tablets is 100 mg daily which may be increased by 100 mg every 5 days but not to exceed 300 mg /day. Extended release tablets should be swallowed whole and not crushed or chewed.

DRUG INTERACTIONS: Carbamazepine reduces the effect of tramadol by increasing its inactivation in the body. Quinidine (Quinaglute, Quinidex) reduces the inactivation of tramadol, thereby increasing the concentration of tramadol by 50%-60%. Combining tramadol with monoamine oxidase inhibitors (for example, Parnate) or selective serotonin inhibitors [(SSRIs, for example, fluoxetine (Prozac)] may result in severe side effects such as seizures or a condition called serotonin syndrome.

Tramadol may increase central nervous system and respiratory depression when combined with alcohol, anesthetics, narcotics, tranquilizers or sedative hypnotics.

PREGNANCY: The safety of tramadol during pregnancy has not been established.

NURSING MOTHERS: The safety of tramadol in nursing mothers has not been established.

SIDE EFFECTS: Tramadol is generally well tolerated, and side effects are usually transient. Commonly reported side effects include nausea, constipation, dizziness, headache, drowsiness, and vomiting. Less commonly reported side effects include itching, sweating, dry mouth, diarrhea, rash, visual disturbances, and vertigo. Some patients who received tramadol have reported seizures. Abrupt withdrawal of tramadol may result in anxiety, sweating, insomnia, rigors, pain, nausea, diarrhea, tremors, and hallucinations.


Holy crap! this scares the beejeezus out of me!

I'm taking Cymbalta (an AD) for the neuropathy pain in my feet. It's not working.
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[Marika]

Holy crap! this scares the beejeezus out of me!

I'm taking Cymbalta (an AD) for the neuropathy pain in my feet. It's not working.
ASK your doctor for Vicodin..

[MintJulep]

Here is where the 'civility" went south

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=144281&postcount=80


And here is the first whiney fucking ass post about PG, authored by guess fucking who?

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=144456&postcount=102 You've been whining about my post to dsolo a week as of tomorrow, and every day since.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143186&postcount=49

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143314&postcount=135

Now, if it bothers you dsolo and I can have a civil exchange, too bad. If you haven't noticed, I dance to my own drumbeat. My decisions and opinions aren't choreographed and approved by a board bully or a hyena bandwagon. If anyone else, like you, has negative sentiments for me because of this change of heart, then they're not worth much to start with, so nothing lost there.

So, we've established you've done nothing courageous, you're not an Al Pacino incarnate and are basically, a whining crybaby.

Check...

If you took the time to fucking READ ANYTHING, you would know who said what/when

This was a civil discussion until you started flapping your fucking pie hole, as usual..You think you know it all..You dont know Jack Shit about Diddly Fucking Squat

Gather the facts before you spew your fucking swill imbicileSee above, crybaby.

[doctordog]

You've been whining about my post to dsolo a week as of tomorrow, and every day since.

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143186&postcount=49

http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143314&postcount=135

Now, if it bothers you dsolo and I can have a civil exchange, too bad. If you haven't noticed, I dance to my own drumbeat. My decisions and opinions aren't choreographed and approved by a board bully or a hyena bandwagon. If anyone else, like you, has negative sentiments for me because of this change of heart, then they're not worth much to start with, so nothing lost there.

So, we've established you've done nothing courageous, you're not an Al Pacino incarnate and are basically, a whining crybaby.

Check...

See above, crybaby.


:lmao2: :lmao2:

[CosmicRocker]

Holy crap! this scares the beejeezus out of me!

I'm taking Cymbalta (an AD) for the neuropathy pain in my feet. It's not working.
Standard PDR type warning languages.
You'll no doubt find similiar cautions on the meds you take now.
google a drug name for drug description, and this is the language that comes up.

If you have any doubt -talk to a pharmacist first.
I've found out they know more about drugs, side effects, etc. than Dr's do.

Then if you ask your dr. about the pescription, you'll know what type of questions you might want to ask.

Question is: why you're NOT on an opioid, rather than AD's?
You're depression/symptoms seem to be more pain related than neuro-chemical ( seritonin and such)

PS. stay off the ibuprophen, and acetaminophens, as you prolly already know.
They kill your liver.

PPS. The Tramadol ( Ultram) has no APAP buffers in it, like Vic's or Percosets do. It's also a lower Schedule # - 3 i think, if hydro/oxycicodone are 2's
Anyways - it's easier for a Dr. to prescribe than codones.

They have less potential for addcition and abuse, but they're still an opiod, so you can get dependent.

I watch it, onlty takewhen I need it, which is pretty much every morning, cause my bicept is fucked up froma tear, and I have to sleep on one side.

Sometimes I need them in the afternoon too - depending on what I'm doing.

[Cookie]

ASK your doctor for Vicodin..

I definitely will check into it. I have to change doctors because mine is leaving his practice. I'll see her for the first time on Nov. 6 and we'll try and figure out how I can get some relief.

Can you drive without impairment on this medication? It's important to maintain my ability to manage my life. I don't want to become a spacey old broad (more than I already am, lol.)
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[Cookie]

Standard PDR type warning languages.
You'll no doubt find similiar cautions on the meds you take now.
google a drug name for drug description, and this is the language that comes up.

If you have any doubt -talk to a pharmacist first.
I've found out they know more about drugs, side effects, etc. than Dr's do.

Then if you ask your dr. about the pescription, you'll know what type of questions you might want to ask.

Question is: why you're NOT on an opioid, rather than AD's?
You're depression/symptoms seem to be more pain related than neuro-chemical ( seritonin and such)

PS. stay off the ibuprophen, and acetaminophens, as you prolly already know.
They kill your liver.

PPS. The Tramadol ( Ultram) has no APAP buffers in it, like Vic's or Percosets do. It's also a lower Schedule # - 3 i think, if hydro/oxycicodone are 2's
Anyways - it's easier for a Dr. to prescribe than codones.

They have less potential for addcition and abuse, but they're still an opiod, so you can get dependent.

I watch it, onlty takewhen I need it, which is pretty much every morning, cause my bicept is fucked up froma tear, and I have to sleep on one side.

Sometimes I need them in the afternoon too - depending on what I'm doing.


Wow Cosmic~you are a fount of information!! You should become a pharmacist! Seriously!

I appreciate the helpful advice. As I told Ref, I'm changing doctors soon and hope to see some new pain management results.

Thanks man!
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[MintJulep]

Standard PDR type warning languages.
You'll no doubt find similiar cautions on the meds you take now.
google a drug name for drug description, and this is the language that comes up.

If you have any doubt -talk to a pharmacist first.
I've found out they know more about drugs, side effects, etc. than Dr's do.

Then if you ask your dr. about the pescription, you'll know what type of questions you might want to ask.

Question is: why you're NOT on an opioid, rather than AD's?
You're depression/symptoms seem to be more pain related than neuro-chemical ( seritonin and such)

PS. stay off the ibuprophen, and acetaminophens, as you prolly already know.
They kill your liver.

PPS. The Tramadol ( Ultram) has no APAP buffers in it, like Vic's or Percosets do. It's also a lower Schedule # - 3 i think, if hydro/oxycicodone are 2's
Anyways - it's easier for a Dr. to prescribe than codones.

They have less potential for addcition and abuse, but they're still an opiod, so you can get dependent.

I watch it, onlty takewhen I need it, which is pretty much every morning, cause my bicept is fucked up froma tear, and I have to sleep on one side.

Sometimes I need them in the afternoon too - depending on what I'm doing.Is Tramadol one of the non-narcotic painkillers? I think I'm familiar with it.

[doctordog]

I didn't realize that so many drugs were prescribed until starting to follow this thread, damn, no wonder people are screaming for healthcare.

[Cookie]

I didn't realize that so many drugs were prescribed until starting to follow this thread, damn, no wonder people are screaming for healthcare.

I'm not screaming but I sure would like mine left the hell alone. I've got a pretty good policy where the stuff I need is mostly covered. I don't want the government mucking around in my healthcare business.
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[doctordog]

I'm not screaming but I sure would like mine left the hell alone. I've got a pretty good policy where the stuff I need is mostly covered. I don't want the government mucking around in my healthcare business.

Why so many, if that is not too personal? I have pain from motorcycle incidents but the pain management clinic taught me how to deal with it versus the drugs.

[Parade Rain]

I'm not screaming but I sure would like mine left the hell alone. I've got a pretty good policy where the stuff I need is mostly covered. I don't want the government mucking around in my healthcare business.

I, I, me, my.

Yes, you got yours, so fuck the other 40-plus million. Got it. :banghead:

[Marika]

I definitely will check into it. I have to change doctors because mine is leaving his practice. I'll see her for the first time on Nov. 6 and we'll try and figure out how I can get some relief.

Can you drive without impairment on this medication? It's important to maintain my ability to manage my life. I don't want to become a spacey old broad (more than I already am, lol.)
Yes, it allows me to get out of bed and function like any healthy person for at least four hours or until the next pill.

[Marika]

Is Tramadol one of the non-narcotic painkillers? I think I'm familiar with it.
Tramadol sucks..in my opinion.

[CosmicRocker]

Is Tramadol one of the non-narcotic painkillers? I think I'm familiar with it.
It is an opiod -therefore a "narcotic" by definition.
But because the design doesn't bind so closely
( i can't desribe it to you in more medical terms - beyond my ability) to the neuroreceptors;
it offers the pain management beyond NSAID's, but not as well as the more potent codones.

From a patients p.o.v. - it mostly works on modrate body aches, the kind beyond what 2 aspirin will help, but less than a codone.

It also doesn't alter one's conscousness, or produce stupor, or the classic effects of the Schedule 2's codones.
Particurally useful in sports medicine, or for older folks like me who just have aches and pains, but not to an extent that a codone would require.

[CosmicRocker]

Tramadol sucks..in my opinion.
It's not anywhere enough pain relief for fibro, or severe disbling pains, but it's a good bridge beyond what NSAID's offer.

[CosmicRocker]

Wow Cosmic~you are a fount of information!! You should become a pharmacist! Seriously!

I appreciate the helpful advice. As I told Ref, I'm changing doctors soon and hope to see some new pain management results.

Thanks man!
LOL well I have been busted for PLAYING a Dr. and writing my own Rx's. LOL

Prescription fraud.

[Cookie]

I, I, me, my.

Yes, you got yours, so fuck the other 40-plus million. Got it. :banghead:

All you have is the will to believe the worst about a person because they aren't liberal. Maybe you ought to ask me, "Cookie, what about the uninsured 40 million?" What do you propose for them?

It's not as if I haven't already made my posn. known about this, but I will repeat it again just for you:

I would have the government insure those who cannot insure themselves. Whether it is by private or public means, I don't care. But I want those folks covered. I also want coverage for people who have pre-existing conditions, and if or when something catastrophic occurs, I want it illegal for insurers to drop them.

And....here's the biggie....I am willing to pay more in taxes if necessary to make all of this a reality.

Now, say you're sorry. :talktothehand:
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[Cookie]

LOL well I have been busted for PLAYING a Dr. and writing my own Rx's. LOL

Prescription fraud.

Oh my. Years ago, a pharmacology professor was hauled out of our dept. in handcuffs for writing his own scripts - and filling them.
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[Parade Rain]

All you have is the will to believe the worst about a person because they aren't liberal. Maybe you ought to ask me, "Cookie, what about the uninsured 40 million?" What do you propose for them?

It's not as if I haven't already made my posn. known about this, but I will repeat it again just for you:

I would have the government insure those who cannot insure themselves. Whether it is by private or public means, I don't care. But I want those folks covered. I also want coverage for people who have pre-existing conditions, and if or when something catastrophic occurs, I want it illegal for insurers to drop them.

And....here's the biggie....I am willing to pay more in taxes if necessary to make all of this a reality.

Now, say you're sorry. :talktothehand:

In order to say I'm sorry, I have to actually *be* sorry, and I'm not.

Your position puts corporate profits above The People. The "public option" is a sorry-ass negotiating point that's being frittered away into meaninglessness because the most important aspect of how the health care problem is solved is to figure out how to SAVE the health insurance INDUSTRY.

Unless and until you idiots figure that out, nothing will change. Too bad that so many of this country's great unwashed retards have become perfectly OKAY with the notion that the poor don't "deserve" as good of health care as rich people do.

That is a SHAMEFUL position to hold.

[Cookie]

Why so many, if that is not too personal? I have pain from motorcycle incidents but the pain management clinic taught me how to deal with it versus the drugs.

Are you asking why so many drugs? I'm only taking 2 for neuropathy, because one alone isn't effective. Now, both are ineffective on most days.

I'm doin' the best I can man ~~~~~
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[doctordog]

I, I, me, my.

Yes, you got yours, so fuck the other 40-plus million. Got it. :banghead:

That is no different than you saying fuck the 85% that have it and let's risk it to cover the 15% without.

[doctordog]

Are you asking why so many drugs? I'm only taking 2 for neuropathy, because one alone isn't effective. Now, both are ineffective on most days.

I'm doin' the best I can man ~~~~~

Oh, I have lost track with all the different names mentioned here/

[slowhand]

You've been whining about my post to dsolo a week as of tomorrow, and every day since.

You stupid fucking bitch..That link below was posted by me, because you wont shut your fucking pie hole about me allegedly whining about getting banned

HEAR THIS DUMBASS..I DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT I GOT BANNED..WTF DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

You've been whining about it over a fucking year now you dumb bitch!!!!!!


http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143314&postcount=135

Now, if it bothers you dsolo and I can have a civil exchange, too bad. If you haven't noticed, I dance to my own drumbeat. My decisions and opinions aren't choreographed and approved by a board bully or a hyena bandwagon.

That would be fine if it were sincere, but its not..Its like this..You and I dont get along, and you dont get along with most people at RV..You go there to stir up shit..You did the same fucking thing at PG..You go from one board to the other..All that sucking up to dsolo was nothing more than attempting to bait me, and a few other people at dsolo's expense, cuz, when they turn you loose at PG, you are going to do the same thing over there that you are now doing at RV..TROLLING LIBERALS..Its what you do

Then you somehow get the impression that it "bothers" me because you and dsolo are being civil toward each other..I dont care about that..Im just pointing out your hypocracy

If anyone else, like you, has negative sentiments for me because of this change of heart, then they're not worth much to start with, so nothing lost there.

Break out the violins! :lmao2:

So, we've established you've done nothing courageous, you're not an Al Pacino incarnate and are basically, a whining crybaby.

Check...

See above, crybaby.


Fawk joo muddafawk!!!!!!!! :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

Maybe you ought to ask me, "Cookie, what about the uninsured 40 million?" What do you propose for them?

It's not as if I haven't already made my posn. known about this, but I will repeat it again just for you:

I would have the government insure those who cannot insure themselves. Whether it is by private or public means, I don't care. But I want those folks covered. I also want coverage for people who have pre-existing conditions, and if or when something catastrophic occurs, I want it illegal for insurers to drop them.

And....here's the biggie....I am willing to pay more in taxes if necessary to make all of this a reality.Cookie, this is my position as well. The correct number of uninsured is, I believe, around 20 million. Surely there is a way to cover this small % of people besides destroying the quality of our entire system.

[Cookie]

In order to say I'm sorry, I have to actually *be* sorry, and I'm not.

Your position puts corporate profits above The People. The "public option" is a sorry-ass negotiating point that's being frittered away into meaninglessness because the most important aspect of how the health care problem is solved is to figure out how to SAVE the health insurance INDUSTRY.

Unless and until you idiots figure that out, nothing will change. Too bad that so many of this country's great unwashed retards have become perfectly OKAY with the notion that the poor don't "deserve" as good of health care as rich people do.

That is a SHAMEFUL position to hold.

It is true I'm not a card carrying socalist or communist, a position people who are should be ashamed of. To deny people the freedom of self-determination is a crime imo. Aside from that, I don't think you understood my post.

Corporate profits were certainly not the focus of my point, as I want it illegal to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and to drop people who are faced with illness while insured. That surely would put a big dent in corporate profits, as it most certainly puts the people's interests first. I also mentioned getting people coverage for those who cannot afford it themselves. Once again...people before profits even if the government has to pay for it.

As for making this happen, you ought to direct your outrage toward the democrats who are whispering behind closed doors. They are the ones who have left the people out of the negotiation process for healthcare reform.

Remember, they are first beholden to those same insurance companies who contributed mightily to their campaigns for re-election.
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[Parade Rain]

It is true I'm not a card carrying socalist or communist, a position people who are should be ashamed of. To deny people the freedom of self-determination is a crime imo. Aside from that, I don't think you understood my post.

Corporate profits were certainly not the focus of my point, as I want it illegal to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and to drop people who are faced with illness while insured. That surely would put a big dent in corporate profits, as it most certainly puts the people's interests first. I also mentioned getting people coverage for those who cannot afford it themselves. Once again...people before profits even if the government has to pay for it.

As for making this happen, you ought to direct your outrage toward the democrats who are whispering behind closed doors. They are the ones who have left the people out of the negotiation process for healthcare reform.

Remember, they are first beholden to those same insurance companies who contributed mightily to their campaigns for re-election.

Don't worry, Cookie - I despise the Democrats, too - I just don't wish a long, suffering death for them like I do the Republicans. A heart attack for each of them would suit me just fine. :D

[Cookie]

Cookie, this is my position as well. The correct number of uninsured is, I believe, around 20 million. Surely there is a way to cover this small % of people besides destroying the quality of our entire system.

Exactly. From your lips and fingertips to God's ears. And 20 million is a much more realistic number than 40 million. :thumbsup:
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[Cookie]

Don't worry, Cookie - I despise the Democrats, too - I just don't wish a long, suffering death for them like I do the Republicans. A heart attack for each of them would suit me just fine. :D


I'm glad you are infuriated by this recent closed door theatrics.

Wouldn't it be a much better world if the politicians didn't have to worry about pleasing the campaign contributors when making policy?
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[Parade Rain]

I'm glad you are infuriated by this recent closed door theatrics.

Wouldn't it be a much better world if the politicians didn't have to worry about pleasing the campaign contributors when making policy?

They don't. That's a CHOICE they make, and one that People facilitate, by being too fucking LAZY and MISINFORMED to demand otherwise. If these scumbags were actually there to work FOR US, rather than greasing palms and taking bribes for advancing their political careers and personal bank accounts, we wouldn't be here. CORPORATE power runs Washington. It's called FASCISM, and it's been this way for a LONG time.

[MintJulep]

You stupid fucking bitch..That link below was posted by me, because you wont shut your fucking pie hole about me allegedly whining about getting banned

HEAR THIS DUMBASS..I DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT I GOT BANNED..WTF DONT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

You've been whining about it over a fucking year now you dumb bitch!!!!!!


http://www.dcjunkies.com/showpost.php?p=143314&postcount=135 Yet another meltdown. YOU are the one who has been complaining about my one reply to dsolo for a solid WEEK. And you do care that you got banned. Otherwise you wouldn't be here right now melting down and crying about it.

That would be fine if it were sincere, but its not..Its like this..You and I dont get along, and you dont get along with most people at RV..You go there to stir up shit..You did the same fucking thing at PG..You go from one board to the other..All that sucking up to dsolo was nothing more than attempting to bait me, and a few other people at dsolo's expense, cuz, when they turn you loose at PG, you are going to do the same thing over there that you are now doing at RV..TROLLING LIBERALS..Its what you do I don't go from one board to another. I been banned ONCE at both places, you idiot. Agreeing with dsolo is not sucking up, you imbecile. I guess you are jealous that I am not banned and you and "Red", aka 'The Instigator' are still banned. How fucking funny is that? :lmao2:

Then you somehow get the impression that it "bothers" me because you and dsolo are being civil toward each other..I dont care about that..Im just pointing out your hypocracy Ohhh, it's more than an impression, it is an obvious FACT you can't stand that I am not crying about PG and dsolo anymore. Call it hypocrisy or whatever you choose. It makes little difference to me because I can own it.

Fawk joo muddafawk!!!!!!!! I think a more fitting AV for you would be Hello Kitty. "Woe is me!" "I'm banned from PG!" :lmao2:

Here's slowhand doing a drive-by.

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg

[slowhand]

Yet another meltdown. YOU are the one who has been complaining about my one reply to dsolo for a solid WEEK. And you do care that you got banned. Otherwise you wouldn't be here right now melting down and crying about it.

I don't go from one board to another. I been banned ONCE at both places, you idiot. Agreeing with dsolo is not sucking up, you imbecile. I guess you are jealous that I am not banned and you and "Red", aka 'The Instigator' are still banned. How fucking funny is that? :lmao2:

Ohhh, it's more than an impression, it is an obvious FACT you can't stand that I am not crying about PG and dsolo anymore. Call it hypocrisy or whatever you choose. It makes little difference to me because I can own it.

I think a more fitting AV for you would be Hello Kitty. "Woe is me!" "I'm banned from PG!" :lmao2:

Here's slowhand doing a drive-by.

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg

The topic is Xanax 2 mg's

[MintJulep]

The topic is Xanax 2 mg's"Scuse me?"

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg

[slowhand]

"Scuse me?"

http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg

The topic is Xanax 2 mg's

[MintJulep]

"Woe is me!!"


http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg

[slowhand]

"Woe is me!!"


http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg


The topic is Xanax 2 mg's

[Cookie]

"Woe is me!!"


http://i-love-cartoons.com/snags/clipart/Hello-Kitty/Hello-Kitty-blue-car-1.jpg


Okay this picture is funny! :lmao2:
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[slowhand]

http://i37.tinypic.com/rlguo7.jpg


WOE IS ME SLOWHAND YOU PRICK!! :lmao2: :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

http://i37.tinypic.com/rlguo7.jpg


WOE IS ME, PG BANNED ME!! Ah, you made it into a self portrait. Nice touch.:thumbsup:

[slowhand]

Ah, you made it into a self portrait. Nice touch.:thumbsup:

Wrong..That is for you and your girlfriend chao..You can share it

[MintJulep]

Wrong..That is for you and your girlfriend chao..You can share it
Now, why on earth would chao or I want a picture of a crybaby who whines 24/7 about being banned from PG? Poor, poor widdle baby. LMAO

[slowhand]

Now, why on earth would chao or I want a picture of a crybaby who whines 24/7 about being banned from PG? Poor, poor widdle baby. LMAO

Here's how long you've been whining


http://www.rumblevillains.com/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 07-15-2008, 01:24 PM
MintJulep
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http://www.rumblevillains.com/images/icons/icon13.gif Will the REAL MintJulep Please Stand Up?
He called me a capitalist whore last night, so everything is going well for me there. http://www.rumblevillains.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif The more I hear, the more I get the feeling this is one insecure, impotent little person who feels "powerful" hiding behind his mask on the net.

Don't waste your energy on that loser. It's not worth it. You should start posting over there just for shits and giggles! http://www.rumblevillains.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

[MintJulep]

Here's how long you've been whining
Psssst. Tell you what. If I ever run into dsolo at PG, I'll share how devastated you are about the banning and ask him to please, please, please reinstate you. Okay, widdle baby? Now stop the whining about PG, for fuck's sake! :D

[slowhand]

Psssst. Tell you what. If I ever run into dsolo at PG, I'll share how devastated you are about the banning and ask him to please, please, please reinstate you. Okay, widdle baby? Now stop the whining about PG, for fuck's sake! :D


07-15-2008, 01:24 PM
MintJulep
Guest
Posts: n/a


July 15, 2008..This shit sells itself

[MintJulep]

Lame. Weak. Hello Kitty weak.

[slowhand]

Lame. Weak. Hello Kitty weak.

One year..Three months..Eight days

Thats alot of whining..Do the math

[doctordog]

http://i37.tinypic.com/saz6a1.jpg

[Murdah777]

I've been on medication for hepatitis C for 48 weeks. I couldn't have made it without this drug. With the drug therapy I was on, I had thoughts of killing myself, long bouts of depression, endless sleepless nights, nightsweats, violent behavior, an all round terrible person to be around. Xanax (Alprazolam) (http://www.xanaxalprazolam.net) saved my life and my marriage. Xanax helped me calm all of my xanax side effects (http://www.xanaxalprazolam.net/xanax-side-effects.htm).

[slowhand]

I love Xanax.

Is that wrong? I hope not. Because I have no plans to give it up. And don't you try to make me, either.

I would hardly say my usage is yet at the criminal level; when it's high stress around here (deadlines mounting; two year old channeling the devil), I tend to wake up in the night and can't get back to sleep due to the relentless, throbbing vision of my rather robust to-do list. The remedy, then: I pad into the bathroom, break a pill in half, break one of the halves in half, then use my teeth to break one of the half-halves in half because at that point hands are too big and hammy to do the job and I'm not about to go get a razor blade and a cutting board.

Then I down that tiny shaving, that dusting, that 1/8th of a low-dose pill. And within 20 minutes I'm asleep for the rest of the night. Oh sure, in the morning I have a distant, dull ache in my head as if someone had my skull in a vice grip for the night (which essentially they did), but so what? It's a small price to pay. I'm busy; I can't afford to not sleep through the night.

Of course, my inner priss-priss culls through popular culture from the 60s, 70s and 80s and hurls images at me to make me feel bad. Needless to say, scenes from the movie Valley of the Dolls ricochet around in my head. Those talented ladies and their "dolls" (translation: old-time-y sedatives like Demerol, Seconol, Nembutol), flinging their heads about and screaming as they run their lives into the ground. Next: The scene from Trainspotting where a baby dies in the crib because its basic needs are not being met by its heroin-shooting mom. Then, the line from David Sedaris's piece "Seasons Greetings," about a neighbor: "She's on pills, everyone knows that."

Well, everyone wouldn't know that about me if I didn't tell them. But I do tell them. All of them. I feel I owe them that. What kind of friend would I be if didn't help people get to sleep at night? So I not only take Xanax, I try to ensure that my loved ones do as well.

It was the mid-1990s when drugs like this first entered my consciousness (but not yet my mouth). My dear pal had procured an engagement ring for his recently ultimatum-issuing girlfriend. He loved her, he had the ring, it was time to go -- and yet, he couldn't. He walked around for weeks stuck, arrested by fear. He popped a few Ativan he had lying around from a previous panic attack, then easily popped the question. They have been married 10 happy years. The sedative is to be thanked.

I dont begrudge anyone of using drugs to get through what they need to get through..When used as a tool, they can be a blessing, when abused they become a nightmare..Benzo's or any narcodic sedatives, are to be used with humility, understanding, knowledge, and respect

I understand where you're at..I have to take sleep meds too, or I cant function

I recently was Rx-ed valium..If I knew back then, what I know now, I would have taken them years ago..I guess you dont know, what you dont know, untill you've experienced it

[CosmicRocker]

narcodic sedativesnarcotics are opiates.
sedatives are benzo's, there is no such thing as a "narcotic sedative"

One can "nod off" with opiates, but that is a side effect ( like junkies in a stupor).

I wish REAL sleeping pilss were still around,i'm becoming immune to benzo's ( 3 years now)

I'd kill for some reds (Seconal)

[Trinnity]

I recently was Rx-ed Valium..If I knew back then, what I know now, I would have taken them years ago..I guess you don't know, what you don't know, until you've experienced it.It's not working. You're still a PITA. Double the dose. :thumbsup:

[Sephiri]

I dont use them...When I was in treatment, there were two guys there who were strung out on xanax, and they were in worse shape than the junkies and crackheads..They were also on a 6 month taper schedule because of the danger of sudden withdrawal..You can cold turkey on herion, you'll be on the floor for three days, but it wont kill you..That was from the horses mouth..not from me

you are a 1000% correct. Herion(nor Cocaine) withdrawal is not fatal. Ever.
alcohol and benzo withdrawal are (or can be) fatal without treatment. A very common misunderstanding.

[Sephiri]

narcotics are opiates.
sedatives are benzo's, there is no such thing as a "narcotic sedative"

One can "nod off" with opiates, but that is a side effect ( like junkies in a stupor).

I wish REAL sleeping pilss were still around,i'm becoming immune to benzo's ( 3 years now)

I'd kill for some reds (Seconal)


They are all narcotics Cosmic. SH is right, benzo's are just as dangerous as Herion, you might "kick" three days with herion, but you can be in Benzo withdrawal, (kicking) for months...it's the difference in the receptors. ETOH and Benzos use similar receptors which also regulate seizure activity. hence the huge danger.

[CosmicRocker]

They are all narcotics Cosmic. SH is right, benzo's are just as dangerous as Herion, you might "kick" three days with herion, but you can be in Benzo withdrawal, (kicking) for months...it's the difference in the receptors. ETOH and Benzos use similar receptors which also regulate seizure activity. hence the huge danger.
Some people define narcotics as substances that bind at opiate receptors (cellular membrane proteins activated by substances like heroin or morphine) while others refer to any illicit substance as a narcotic.
From a legal perspective, narcotic refers to opium, opium derivatives, and their semi-synthetic substitutes

agreed the term is used generally, originally anything that relieved pain, or caused a stupor.

I know about withdrawl, I never hide the fact I am an ex -junkie.
Yes most any drug has some type of withdrawls - the symptoms and effects are all different.

Even weed can be habituated.

I can use any drug, but not opiates, if I do the craving sets up instantly.

[slowhand]

It's not working. You're still a PITA. Double the dose. :thumbsup:

Any available at the Fab 5 bar and grill? :p :lmao2:

And I will continue to be a PITFA..God Bless America!! :lmao2:

[CosmicRocker]

you are a 1000% correct. Herion(nor Cocaine) withdrawal is not fatal. Ever.
alcohol and benzo withdrawal are (or can be) fatal without treatment. A very common misunderstanding.
this is true, but with heroin wihdrawl youjust WANT to die, it's 2 days of total misery.
Temperature's rising,
Fever is high,
Can't see no future,
Can't see no sky.

My feet are so heavy,
So is my head,
I wish I was a baby,
I wish I was dead.

Cold turkey has got me on the run.

My body is aching,
Goose-pimple bone,
Can't see no body,
Leave me alone.

My eyes are wide open,
Can't get to sleep,
One thing I'm sure of,
I'm in the deep freeze.

Cold turkey has got me on the run.
Cold turkey has got me on the run.

Thirty-six hours,
Rolling in pain,
Praying to someone,
Free me again.

Oh I'll be a good boy,
Please make me well,
I promise you anything,
Get me out of this hell.

Cold turkey has got me on the run.
Oh-, oh-, oh--, oh... ( John Lennon)

[Bill Cosby]

IEnNEIVR9EM

[Bill Cosby]

narcotics are opiates.
sedatives are benzo's, there is no such thing as a "narcotic sedative"

One can "nod off" with opiates, but that is a side effect ( like junkies in a stupor).

I wish REAL sleeping pilss were still around,i'm becoming immune to benzo's ( 3 years now)

I'd kill for some reds (Seconal)

How are things working now for you???

Not heard you say much about it lately??

[CosmicRocker]

How are things working now for you???

Not heard you say much about it lately??
still on 2 mg's @ night.
Seems to be effective again, sometimes no luck - max dose is 3 mgs but im not going that high.

quit weed and cigs -no more smoking -period

[MintJulep]

quit weed and cigs -no more smoking -periodGood for you. Nicotine is like crack for me. It's some wicked stuff.

[Bill Cosby]

Cos did you go cold turkey on the nicotine??

Yea, Mint is it as addictive as crack, heroin etc........... Very very bad stuff........

Did you ever try the gum???

[Bill Cosby]

still on 2 mg's @ night.
Seems to be effective again, sometimes no luck - max dose is 3 mgs but im not going that high.

quit weed and cigs -no more smoking -period

Why is it not consistent?? If I may ask??

[CosmicRocker]

Cos did you go cold turkey on the nicotine??

Yea, Mint is it as addictive as crack, heroin etc........... Very very bad stuff........

Did you ever try the gum???
Cold Turkey has the highest failure rate, it's quick, but almost impossible to do.( like the crack addict suddenly stopping).

I used a combinaton of methods.

1. Identify how much you smoke a day on average - I was 3/4 pack.
2. every 3rd day ( this is variable) cut back on 1 cigarette.
So in the first week you have cut back 2 for each day.

continue to folow this -if you CANT CUT BACK when you get to a certain point -just stay there for awhile.
NEVER increase the amount of cigs.

You actually have to count out how many each day (your daily ration), and LOCK the pack away - once you count them out -you cant cheat.


What happens is you gradually increase the time between cigs.
Instead of mindlessly reaching for one -say like when you make a phone call - you know you only have a certain amount for that day.
So you postponethe IMPULSE smoking, just mindlessly smokng without even trying not to.Smoke whenl you start to go crazy for a cig.

I also stuffed an empty pen with cotton, so I could suck on it, when I just had an oral fixation, or got nervous by not having one in my hand.
The behavior is ritualistic, like any drug.
Tapping the cig out of the pack, rolling it in you hand. reaching for the lighter, and finally lighting up, and holding it in your hand.
You are literally acting like a drug addict (because you ARE) with a "needle and a spoon"

So by NOT having them in a pack, gradually cutting back - by putting more time between each cig, and slowly cuting down the total numbers, your entire ritualistic behavior, as well as the actual nicotne craving gradualy
"extinguishes"**" until you get down to about 2/3 a day, then you pick a non-stressful day, and that is the day you stop.
That's how I did it -and I STILL get a craving now and then, but they are less and less frequent - but like any addict starting back up would have m right back.

If you stay off them long enough -your lungs clear, sense of smell is beter, etc. You pick up weight too -dammit -but i'm hitting the stationary bike for that.

When I smell my friend walking down the street with her dog -I can smell her a mile away - the tobacco is sickening -she is up to pack a day, and I've tried to help her, but she's not made up her mind to quit.

Make up your mind, make up a plan, follow the plan then never go back.Pretty much the same way I quit dope too.

** ( Extinguish is an actual behavioral psychological term for cessation of destructive behavior.)

[Roger from Ohio]

I quit about 8 years ago.... I had always played games with myself..... one good way to cut down is have your pack across the room..... when you cant just reach for one you wont smoke as many.... you have to make an effort.

To be honest I smoked pot back then.... tobacco was hampering my lung capacity which got in the way of my pot.... so I just stopped.... it was tough at first.... but when Id get a craving, Id just take a hit off the bowl.... it worked quite well..... the key is wanting to quit.... when you really want it then quitting isnt as tough.

Quitting pot was no effort at all..... I still dont drink..... yep.... all this ranting I do is sober :lmao2: :lmao2:

Just remember.... if you want to quit smoking.... after 3 days your body doesnt need nicotine any more..... after 3 days it is all mental..... you just have to retrain yourself.