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Thai Kimchi
08-15-2009, 03:31 PM
Insurers often complain that their critics don't understand their business practices. It would be hard to say that about Wendell Potter. Potter, whose name sounds like that of a character in a Frank Capra movie, worked in the health insurance industry for more than 20 years. He rose to be a senior executive at Cigna. He was on their calls, at their board meetings, in their books. And today, at a hearing before Sen. Jay Rockefeller's Commerce Committee, he testified against them.

What drove Potter from the health insurance business was, well, the health insurance business. The industry, Potter says, is driven by "two key figures: earnings per share and the medical-loss ratio, or medical-benefit ratio, as the industry now terms it. That is the ratio between what the company actually pays out in claims and what it has left over to cover sales, marketing, underwriting and other administrative expenses and, of course, profits."

Think about that term for a moment: The industry literally has a term for how much money it "loses" paying for health care.

The best way to drive down "medical-loss," explains Potter, is to stop insuring unhealthy people. You won't, after all, have to spend very much of a healthy person's dollar on medical care because he or she won't need much medical care. And the insurance industry accomplishes this through two main policies. "One is policy rescission," says Potter. "They look carefully to see if a sick policyholder may have omitted a minor illness, a pre-existing condition, when applying for coverage, and then they use that as justification to cancel the policy, even if the enrollee has never missed a premium payment."

And don't be fooled: rescission is important to the business model. Last week, at a hearing before the House Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigation, Rep. Bart Stupak, the committee chairman, asked three insurance industry executives if they would commit to ending rescission except in cases of intentional fraud. "No," they each said.

Potter also emphasized the practice known as "purging." This is where insurers rid themselves of unprofitable accounts by slapping them with "intentionally unrealistic rate increases." One famous example came when Cigna decided to drive the Entertainment Industry Group Insurance Trust in California and New Jersey off of its books. It hit them with a rate increase that would have left some family plans costing more than $44,000 a year, and it gave them three months to come up with the cash.

The issue isn't that insurance companies are evil. It's that they need to be profitable. They have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for shareholders. And as Potter explains, he's watched an insurer's stock price fall by more than 20 percent in a single day because the first-quarter medical-loss ratio had increased from 77.9 percent to 79.4 percent.

The reason we generally like markets is that the profit incentive spurs useful innovations. But in some markets, that's not the case. We don't allow a bustling market in heroin, for instance, because we don't want a lot of innovation in heroin creation, packaging and advertising. Are we really sure we want a bustling market in how to cleverly revoke the insurance of people who prove to be sickly?

If you'd like to read Potter's testimony in full.....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra klein/Potter%20Commerce%20Committee%20written%20testimon y%20-%2020090624-%20FINAL.pdf

Bill Cosby
08-15-2009, 10:11 PM
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Thai Kimchi
08-15-2009, 10:34 PM
That cartoon is fantastic.

Did you hear Elizabeth Edwards say that one out of every 700 dollars spent by the public for health insurance goes directly to one CEO, United Health Care's Hemsley?

Gee, think it's possible we might be wasting several hundred billion dollars of the consumer's hard-earned money, meant to insure they and their children could access health care, on summer palaces, huge yachts, trust funds for the kids, country club memberships, and whatever else the blood suckers can dream up? - nah, couldn't be. Doesn't make any sense.

Zebulon0351
08-15-2009, 11:41 PM
I find it interesting that some certain people have avoided this thread.

doctordog
08-15-2009, 11:49 PM
We have avoided because it is a capitalism bashing thread, it as if you think you have the right to dictate profits of a business. You little Hitlers have your fun.

586

Thai Kimchi
08-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Always amusing watching Right Wingers call lefites Nazi's.....lol

That's like Moe, Larry and Curly calling Buddhist monks violent.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 12:07 AM
Always amusing watching Right Wingers call lefites Nazi's.....lol

That's like Moe, Larry and Curly calling Buddhist monks violent.

You can claim that as it is laughable considering who we have for President.

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OBAMA CELEBRATES HITLER

President Barack Obama announced today that he is adding one more portrait to the White House, bringing the former chancellor of Germany, Adolf Hitler to the America for the very first time...
In a move sure to stun critics and supporters alike President Obama has decided to mark the birth of the Adolf Hitler, albeit 3 months late with a portrait to be hung in the White House lobby.

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs explained the decision in this morning's press conference, saying, "While some people like to focus only on Hitler's personal difficulties with members of his own people...the President understands that in order to move forward and make the right desicions in our own country we must all appreciate the positive aspects of the Chancellor's administration."

When pressed by reporters what those positive aspects could be Gibbs explained that as the Obama administration is trying to accomplish "Hitler had the most comprehensive health care and enviornmental initiatives of any leader of the 20th century."

Sam Donaldson, chief Washington Correspondent of Black Dog Press, then asked, "Did not those initiatives involve the systematic murder of more than 6 million Jews and countless others" to which Gibbs quipped, "Its not really about personal issues Sam. It's not about Hitler, it's celebrating what he did for this country in the 30's and 40's."

In a related story a drunken Sean Hannity was quoted outside the press room as saying, "Strike up another victory for the master race."

http://publiuspress.typepad.com/blackdogpress/2009/07/obama-celebrates-hitler.html

MintJulep
08-16-2009, 12:25 AM
We have avoided because it is a capitalism bashing thread, it as if you think you have the right to dictate profits of a business. You little Hitlers have your fun.

586:lmao2: :lmao2: funny

Thai Kimchi
08-16-2009, 12:28 AM
I saw Michelle in one of those black leather Nazi outfits in Cosmo - don't think the Obama's are exactly hiding this predilection.

Bill Cosby
08-16-2009, 12:45 AM
We have avoided because it is a capitalism bashing thread,

Is agreeing to break up of standard oil capitalism bashing???

Is not being for certain aspects of our society not up to the highest bidder or lowest denominator anti-capitalistic???

doctordog
08-16-2009, 12:59 AM
Is agreeing to break up of standard oil capitalism bashing???

Is not being for certain aspects of our society not up to the highest bidder or lowest denominator anti-capitalistic???

How many companies are you willing to break to reach your goals?

How many careers are you willing to destroy?

All in the name of UHC.

Bill Cosby
08-16-2009, 01:11 AM
I don't know the answer to that......

How many buggy whip manufacturers are to many??

These are smart & rich ppl....... I will shed a tear on their behalf...

If I loose my job I am sure they will shed one for me to......... & that will be about it....

I understand your point but I just don't agree that they are necessary..

On one hand you disagree w/ bailing out these fools on wallstreet then w/ the other you wanna keep the insurance guys employed....... :dunno:

doctordog
08-16-2009, 01:23 AM
I don't know the answer to that......

How many buggy whip manufacturers are to many??

These are smart & rich ppl....... I will shed a tear on their behalf...

If I loose my job I am sure they will shed one for me to......... & that will be about it....

I understand your point but I just don't agree that they are necessary..

On one hand you disagree w/ bailing out these fools on wallstreet then w/ the other you wanna keep the insurance guys employed....... :dunno:

Do you realize how big insurance is? I haven't looked it up but they could be 15% of our total employed nationwide.

Bill Cosby
08-16-2009, 01:52 AM
Do you realize how big insurance is? I haven't looked it up but they could be 15% of our total employed nationwide.

Yes I know it is pretty big... But keep in mind/perspective we are not talking all insurance......... Only healthcare............ Many of these companies are diversified as well.........

doctordog
08-16-2009, 01:53 AM
Yes I know it is pretty big... But keep in mind/perspective we are not talking all insurance......... Only healthcare............ Many of these companies are diversified as well.........

People like Aetna and Blue Cross won't survive

MintJulep
08-16-2009, 02:00 AM
People like Aetna and Blue Cross won't surviveNone of them would survive, BCBS, Aetna, United HC, Cigna, Humana.....

And everyone would be FORCED onto a govt SHITHOLE plan. :banghead:

I hate this administration.

mwillman
08-16-2009, 02:05 AM
More of your lies and armageddon scenarios.

Please go read another Stephen King novel if you can and leave the real world to people thats aren't quite so stupid.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:09 AM
More of your lies and armageddon scenarios.

Please go read another Stephen King novel if you can and leave the real world to people thats aren't quite so stupid.

More insults from the liberal trolly:hi:

mwillman
08-16-2009, 02:13 AM
ITs not an insult when its true.

You are stupid and you are a lost soul from the 80s who cant find his way back to the hay ride.

ROdger Right
08-16-2009, 02:19 AM
Im pretty sure its still an insult even if its true.

If it wasn't true then you might call it a false accusation.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:23 AM
ITs not an insult when its true.

You are stupid and you are a lost soul from the 80s who cant find his way back to the hay ride.

Now Willy please watch you mouth around the adults. I am sorry everyone for Willy's inappropriate behavior. His mother and I found out after he was home how bad he was abused over and over and over and over and over again while at juvey hall.:(

mwillman
08-16-2009, 02:30 AM
I see you are bringing family into it again.

I hear you and your mother-sister are still fighting
over your daddy-uncle's favors, I wont keep pointing out that all your inbreeding
has left you basically a banjo playing monkey boy.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:33 AM
I see you are bringing family into it again.

I hear you and your mother-sister are still fighting
over your daddy-uncle's favors, I wont keep pointing out that all your inbreeding
has left you basically a banjo playing monkey boy.

Since my mother is dead and I don't have any sisters, you need to tell your male friend to ease up as he is pushing the shit so hard it is blocking blood to your brain.:lmao2:

mwillman
08-16-2009, 02:36 AM
My guess is she got one look at you and dropped dead.

You say you dont have any sisters but you keep forgetting the one you keep locked up in your swamp pit.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:43 AM
My guess is she got one look at you and dropped dead.

You say you dont have any sisters but you keep forgetting the one you keep locked up in your swamp pit.

Internet Rambo(willy) is on the suds tonight and feeling good, reminds me of the some O brother where art thou?:lmao2: