Civil Discourse Possible with Conservatives?

[Independent Harry]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80721815/

It doesn't seem like it...

[MintJulep]

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[Independent Harry]

Big difference lady, she said what she had to say. Then sat down. They didn't keep him from being able to say anything or even get a word in edgewise. You see how she sat down after making a point. Not even close...

[MintJulep]

Those were only two of thousands of heavy-handed protests of Bush. You have no room to complain.

[Zebulon0351]

Those were only two of thousands of heavy-handed protests of Bush. You have no room to complain.

I think those people are lunatics as well. You have no room to make the comparison though. By pointing out ridiculous protests from the left to justify the ridiculous protests of the right... you are still acknowledging those yelling and screaming on the right are out of line.

[Bill Cosby]

LOL.........

Great point..... Good to see you back on the block.....

:banana:

[Frankg]

This msnbc goon doesn't even let this Peter Schiff finish a sentance.

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[Dale escondido]

I saw a documentary on roosevelt and they implyed he was mostly in bed waiting to die.
Then came the second war, it energized him and he had a reason to live.
Well the old folks are really motivated right now and they are going to be loud about it:lmao2:

[MintJulep]

I think those people are lunatics as well. You have no room to make the comparison though. By pointing out ridiculous protests from the left to justify the ridiculous protests of the right... you are still acknowledging those yelling and screaming on the right are out of line.No, it is all protected political speech. I didn't complain about the crap Bush had to put up with and now the left shouldn't be crying that everyone against their health plan should just "shut up" and accept it because Obama "said so". Let the Senators read the plan and give some substantiative answers to the questions or deal with their constituents.

[Bill Cosby]

Dale. WHy are they going to be loud about it???

Why should they care??? If someone is getting care???

It could/will benefit them in several ways.........

[Dale escondido]

This msnbc goon doesn't even let this Peter Schiff finish a sentance.

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Hard hitting informative and no bias here.

[Bill Cosby]

This msnbc goon doesn't even let this Peter Schiff finish a sentance.

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Hey but on the bright side he didn't get slapped once.... :lmao2: :lmao2:

Market forces............. :(

So are kidney transplants on sale next week???

Elbow surgery:o , act now & a get a coupon for 20% off that hip or lower extremity if you apply by sept 30th???

October is national amputation month....... So if leg surgery is not on sale the next month you will lose out..............???

What is the return policy????

This shit really makes me sick...

[MintJulep]

More hypocrisy...........

http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback-pelosi-tells-anti-war-protesters-im-a-fan-of-disruptors/

[deadnun]

This msnbc goon doesn't even let this Peter Schiff finish a sentance.

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So he's wanting to penalize people who still get
employer paid benefits, but nothing to help stop the
discrimination or help get health care for all.

Why? what are those taxes going to be used for?
He's not proposing to start a public option with it.

Nothing to stop insurance co's from dropping people
who have paid in and need the services?

That is not an acceptable answer. Greed has driven up the costs,
with the insurance co's wasting 30% and not providing care.

The whole reason government is getting involved is because
of the gap created by the free market.

He's another example of making the story fit his conclusion,
without reality & without solving problems.

[Zebulon0351]

Let the Senators read the plan and give some substantiative answers to the questions or deal with their constituents.

In some of these meeting they are not even giving the Senators the chance to give substantiative answers. So your point is moot.

[Smurf-Herder]

What substantive answers?

All they do is say whatever is asked about isn't true - without actually discussing the wording in the bill.

Does any of this matter, really?

I mean, no matter what comes of all this, in the early morning hours before any actual vote, somebody's going to insert 300 pages of amendments that totally change whatever anybody thought was in the bill.

That's the character of this "New Transparency"

[Zebulon0351]

What substantive answers?

All they do is say whatever is asked about isn't true - without actually discussing the wording in the bill.



Bullshit.. some of these town hall meetings won't even allow the Senator to say more than one or two sentences.

If you are there to hear him, listen, ask questions, and even criticize. But unorganized chaos achieves absolutely nothing. The Senator can't say more than a few words at a time and everyone in the crowd yells and screams over him/her.

People go into the room not wanting to learn or discuss.. its all screaming matches.

Think we can act like adults for once?

[Smurf-Herder]

Bullshit.. some of these town hall meetings won't even allow the Senator to say more than one or two sentences.

If you are there to hear him, listen, ask questions, and even criticize. But unorganized chaos achieves absolutely nothing. The Senator can't say more than a few words at a time and everyone in the crowd yells and screams over him/her.

People go into the room not wanting to learn or discuss.. its all screaming matches.

Think we can act like adults for once?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe nobody trusts anything they have to say anymore, after all the lying and corruption coming out of DC?

[CosmicRocker]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe nobody trusts anything they have to say anymore, after all the lying and corruption coming out of DC?
ditto.
If my Congressman/Senator/or the Prez says " I got a million $$ for you"

The next thing he would say is " taxes on that are $1,000,001 "

[Zebulon0351]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe nobody trusts anything they have to say anymore, after all the lying and corruption coming out of DC?

Yeah.. I can see that.. too bad for you the liars and the corrupters are out of the White House.

[Smurf-Herder]

Yeah.. I can see that.. too bad for you the liars and the corrupters are out of the White House.

You see, that's the problem.

You ignore how it's still going on. BTW, in the context of the topic, we're talking about Congressmen, not the executive branch here.

[Zebulon0351]

You see, that's the problem.

You ignore how it's still going on. BTW, in the context of the topic, we're talking about Congressmen, not the executive branch here.

If you don't give the congressmen a chance to talk how can you say they are lying and corrupting?

[Smurf-Herder]

If you don't give the congressmen a chance to talk how can you say they are lying and corrupting?

This didn't happen at all the various town meetings around the country. Just the newsworthy ones, because of the sensationalism of the media. People went to express their outrage in some cases. BTW, not all those vocal were conservatives. Some liberals were expressing their anger over the health care bill not going far enough.

[doctordog]

This didn't happen at all the various town meetings around the country. Just the newsworthy ones, because of the sensationalism of the media. People went to express their outrage in some cases. BTW, not all those vocal were conservatives. Some liberals were expressing their anger over the health care bill not going far enough.


As well as many independents

[Bill Cosby]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe nobody trusts anything they have to say anymore, after all the lying and corruption coming out of DC?

Then it would appear their only purpose to attend is to shout him & other ppl down...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smurf-Herder]

Then it would appear their only purpose to attend is to shout him & other ppl down...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Town hall meetings also involve people expressing their sentiments to their representatives. Not just Q & A.

Like I said before, not all of the meetings went the same way. You ever been to a town hall meeting? You have all kinds of people there. And the only people who show up are those who really care about the issue they're there for.

[Bill Cosby]

Town hall meetings also involve people expressing their sentiments to their representatives. Not just Q & A.

Like I said before, not all of the meetings went the same way. You ever been to a town hall meeting? You have all kinds of people there. And the only people who show up are those who really care about the issue they're there for.

I have only been to a few local stuff.... & you are correct there is passion.... & I found often times misguided & perhaps twisted reasoning...........

They seemed a waste of time to me............:(

[disrupter]

Right wing traitor pundits, on Public Broadcast Air waves, call for murdering 'Liberals'

they are talking about murdering fellow Americans!

They are the traitor terror tyrannists who all patriots should eliminate, if they can not be recovered from insanity.

GLENN BECK:I'm thinking about

killing Michael Moore

and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out of him. Is this wrong?

RICK KARR: Michael Reagan, son of the former president, suggested that

people who claim that "9/11 was an inside job," a U.S. government conspiracy,

deserve to die.

MICHAEL REAGAN, THE MICHAEL REAGAN SHOW:

Take them out and shoot them.

They are traitors to this country, and shoot them. But anybody who would do that doesn't deserve to live. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullet.
. . .

there are a plethora of books which have labeled liberals as evil, unpatriotic, godless and treasonous.
. . .
One of the books has the title: "Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism and Liberalism."
. . .
One of the books police found in Adkisson's apartment was Michael Savage's "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder." In it, Savage calls liberals "the enemy within our country;" "an enemy more dangerous than Hitler"; "traitors" who are "dangerous to your survival" and who "should be placed in a straightjacket." Like Adkisson, Savage accuses liberals of "[tying] the hands of our military."http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07242009/transcript3.html

Keep in mind, these are people BROADCASTING on OUR PUBLIC AIRWAVES!

but dare i call them the IN FACT traitors they are & return their vile threats in this microscopic forum, & i get banned?

I repeat,
the right wing is a traitor to sanity, science & facts,

& they're poisoning free speech with terror by building up social pressures against it,

& their violent, destroying rhetoric & actions lead only to oblivion & death.

But when they are rabid mindless animals, sometimes one must fight fire with a backfire to shut them down so we may return to some kind of rational, hopefully inspired, discourse of options we can civilly, sanely discuss.

[kres24GT]

So funny to watch the sheep switch sides, too stupid to not even realize it.


Sheep A; Look at all the Sheep B's, they are blah blah blahing.

Sheep B: When Sheep Bs shepherds were in/out of power all the Sheep A's blah blah blahed.

Sheep A: That was total different, we yada ydada ydaded, not blah blah blahed.




The parties have done a great job dividing us while they destroy the country, and the sheep love it.

[Hog Trash]

This msnbc goon doesn't even let this Peter Schiff finish a sentance.

gRJ1oyhTZAQThis is what happens when an intelligent person attempts to have a conversation with an idiot.

Can you tell which is the intelligent person and which is the idiot?...Probably not if you're a liberal.

[CosmicRocker]

So funny to watch the sheep switch sides, too stupid to not even realize it.


Sheep A; Look at all the Sheep B's, they are blah blah blahing.

Sheep B: When Sheep Bs shepherds were in/out of power all the Sheep A's blah blah blahed.

Sheep A: That was total different, we yada ydada ydaded, not blah blah blahed.




The parties have done a great job dividing us while they destroy the country, and the sheep love it.so very true.
Partisian politics have made it impossible for Congress/ the Executive - even the SCOTUS is polarized.


I'm a life long Dem. I'll never be a Repub. but my allegience to ANY party is lacking now that both sides are more interested in aquring/keeping power than open negotiations with the other party.

One party rule under Bush was the same - shut out the Dems.
Now the Dem's are one party rule - shut out the Repubs.

Fuck 'em both. I'm so disgusted that I remain a registered Dem -
( Florida is a closed primry state, and if i vote in the primary, i'm more interested in the Dem's) -
but i really just consider myself a left leaning Independent.

I have absolutely no use for. or interest in party politics.

[John Galt]

So he's wanting to penalize people who still get
employer paid benefits, but nothing to help stop the
discrimination or help get health care for all.

Why? what are those taxes going to be used for?
He's not proposing to start a public option with it.

Nothing to stop insurance co's from dropping people
who have paid in and need the services?

That is not an acceptable answer. Greed has driven up the costs,
with the insurance co's wasting 30% and not providing care.

The whole reason government is getting involved is because
of the gap created by the free market.

He's another example of making the story fit his conclusion,
without reality & without solving problems.
I don't think Schiff should've been interrupted as much as he was, but he's got nothing to say.


He's the goddamn CEO of a brokerage firm...of course he likes things as they are.

I especially liked the "Insurance is only for catastrophies"...

Yea right...then why is every 3rd commercial for some drug that your doctor is going to ram down your throat?


Tax cuts....why doesn't that surprise me from a republican.










Minty....If, at this late hour, you can't admit that Bush deserved to have a few stray hecklers for his atrocities, then there's no talking to you.


The difference here, is that the public....read...non neocons...were shut out of every public appearance he made for most of his tenure.

In the final couple of years, people stood up to be heard. I didn't run the vids, but wasn't one of them at a citzenship/naturalization event? What better way to show how disgusting a president he was.


And...the few who voiced an opinion didn't do so because of some mass email campaign, that steers the faithful to disrupt meetings.

Bush deserved all the scorn he received....he earned it, in spades.

Obama is getting attacked, because the right is angry that they lost. We'd be halfway to Iran right now, if your party won in Nov..



There's a big difference between righteous indignation, and blatant disruption of the legislative process.

[Dale escondido]

Imagine if people had to go to the polls and the ballots didnt denote party affiliations of the candidates, just a name there:disbelief: they be totally lost.

[kres24GT]

Imagine if people had to go to the polls and the ballots didnt denote party affiliations of the candidates, just a name there:disbelief: they be totally lost.


Most here would not be able to vote.

[Binky]

In some of these meeting they are not even giving the Senators the chance to give substantiative answers. So your point is moot.


The way I understand it, judging from what one senator said awhile back, was that none of them had even been allowed to see what was in that bill. Maybe they have seen parts of it by now, I don't know. But if not, how could they make comments on what was in it anyway? I believe it's being pushed through as quickly as possible before the public actually discovers what's in it. Too late then.

[MintJulep]

Minty....If, at this late hour, you can't admit that Bush deserved to have a few stray hecklers for his atrocities, then there's no talking to you.

The difference here, is that the public....read...non neocons...were shut out of every public appearance he made for most of his tenure.

In the final couple of years, people stood up to be heard. I didn't run the vids, but wasn't one of them at a citzenship/naturalization event? What better way to show how disgusting a president he was.

And...the few who voiced an opinion didn't do so because of some mass email campaign, that steers the faithful to disrupt meetings.

Bush deserved all the scorn he received....he earned it, in spades.

Obama is getting attacked, because the right is angry that they lost. We'd be halfway to Iran right now, if your party won in Nov..

There's a big difference between righteous indignation, and blatant disruption of the legislative process.Of course I know the difference.

You minimize the actions if you "like" the politician and call it 'disruption' if you don't like the pol. The rest is your opinion. IMO, Bush did not deserve the loony shit sent his way from 2001 on. If you think he did, good for you. I think Obama more than deserves it. To-may-to, To-mah-to....See how that works?

[doctordog]

I don't think Schiff should've been interrupted as much as he was, but he's got nothing to say.


He's the goddamn CEO of a brokerage firm...of course he likes things as they are.

I especially liked the "Insurance is only for catastrophies"...

Yea right...then why is every 3rd commercial for some drug that your doctor is going to ram down your throat?
Tax cuts....why doesn't that surprise me from a republican.
Minty....If, at this late hour, you can't admit that Bush deserved to have a few stray hecklers for his atrocities, then there's no talking to you.


The difference here, is that the public....read...non neocons...were shut out of every public appearance he made for most of his tenure.

In the final couple of years, people stood up to be heard. I didn't run the vids, but wasn't one of them at a citzenship/naturalization event? What better way to show how disgusting a president he was.


And...the few who voiced an opinion didn't do so because of some mass email campaign, that steers the faithful to disrupt meetings.

Bush deserved all the scorn he received....he earned it, in spades.

Obama is getting attacked, because the right is angry that they lost. We'd be halfway to Iran right now, if your party won in Nov..



There's a big difference between righteous indignation, and blatant disruption of the legislative process.

Obama is getting attacked because he is risking the future of every working American with insurance coverage now to keep a campaign promise of UHC for the uninsured made up of many that could have it just by changing their lifestyle. Many of his policies discriminate against the working class and the working class have had enough. These protest are not just right wingers anymore, there are many independents and moderates attending with some leading democrats that are nervous about their own futures.

[MintJulep]

Obama is getting attacked because he is risking the future of every working American with insurance coverage now to keep a campaign promise of UHC for the uninsured made up of many that could have it just by changing their lifestyle. Many of his policies discriminate against the working class and the working class have had enough. These protest are not just right wingers anymore, there are many independents and moderates attending with some leading democrats that are nervous about their own futures.He practices class warfare. Reward the lazy and penalize the productive, or IOW-

Ass backwards.

[Hog Trash]

Imagine if people had to go to the polls and the ballots didnt denote party affiliations of the candidates, just a name there:disbelief: they be totally lost.Hmmm?...Let's see?...any-many-myny-mo!:woohoo: