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doctordog
08-14-2009, 05:30 PM
The Bold paragraph below is my major push against this!


SOME OF OBAMA'S ASSERTIONS DEBATABLE

Some of the assertions that President Obama made about his health plan at Tuesday's town-hall meeting are open to argument:

• "Under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

Not necessarily. In an analysis of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that 10 million workers could lose employer-provided benefits and would have to find other insurance.

• "Insurance companies basically get $177 billion of taxpayer money to provide services that Medicare already provides."

About 10.2 million Medicare recipients are in Medicare Advantage. Under that program, the government pays insurers a set amount per Medicare beneficiary. Obama ridiculed it as costly and redundant, but the plan provides additional benefits, such as vision, dental and hearing, to seniors and helps coordinate health care for those with chronic conditions, says Robert Zirkelbach at the trade association, America's Health Insurance Plans.

• "The rumor that's been circulating a lot lately is this idea that somehow the House of Representatives voted for 'death panels' that will basically pull the plug on Grandma. ... (T)he intention. .. was to give people more information so that they could handle issues of end-of-life care when they're ready, on their own terms. ... (O)ne of the chief sponsors of this bill originally was a Republican ... (Sen.) Johnny Isakson from Georgia."

Isakson issued a press release saying Obama misused his name. A provision he attached to a Senate health care bill would allow seniors to obtain help in formulating a living will something Isakson said is different from House language. The House bill would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions, but it would not mandate that anyone use the benefit.

• "AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, OK?"

The AARP issued a press release to make it clear that it has not endorsed any particular health care proposal. "Indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate," AARP said.

— By Kathy Kiely

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-11-healthcare_N.htm?csp=34&loc=interstitialskip

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:33 PM
10 million workers that will could lose insurance with UHC and all I received was crickets from the left.:thumbsup:

Zebulon0351
08-16-2009, 02:36 PM
Bumping your own thread... you pissed off that nobody is paying attention to you?

doctordog
08-16-2009, 02:38 PM
Bumping your own thread... you pissed off that nobody is paying attention to you?

It was a simple comment, not a bump. I can understand since you have no argument boy.:thumbsup:

Zebulon0351
08-16-2009, 02:41 PM
Nah.. you bumped your own thread.

Smurf-Herder
08-16-2009, 02:59 PM
Nah.. you bumped your own thread.

Yeah, he bumped it. But you and I both brought it back up by responding.

No self-bumping, wayers.

I hate this rule. Originally I wanted it limited to a single bump being okay; but got over-ruled.

Zebulon0351
08-16-2009, 03:01 PM
Yeah, he bumped it. But you and I both brought it back up by responding.

No self-bumping, wayers.

I hate this rule. Originally I wanted it limited to a single bump being okay; but got over-ruled.

I couldn't give a shit either to tell you the truth.

Smurf-Herder
08-16-2009, 03:08 PM
I couldn't give a shit either to tell you the truth.

Yeah, I was originally thinking of it just in terms of being excessive. But I have to enforce the basics; and this is one of the basics now.

MintJulep
08-16-2009, 03:08 PM
Nah.. you bumped your own thread.We need a diaper change on aisle 9.

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Life_Long_Dem!
08-16-2009, 03:10 PM
We need a diaper change on aisle 9.

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wow...this from the woman that spews insurance talking points and glosses over facts that make her talking points false...such as the heavily debunked "death panel" bs

Smurf-Herder
08-16-2009, 03:28 PM
wow...this from the woman that spews insurance talking points and glosses over facts that make her talking points false...such as the heavily debunked "death panel" bs

This is what I get a kick out of. People who win on one particular aspect of an issue, then harp on it, like there's nothing else involved. IMO, that's just a diversion from discussing other aspects of an issue.

Zebulon0351
08-16-2009, 03:34 PM
This is what I get a kick out of. People who win on one particular aspect of an issue, then harp on it, like there's nothing else involved. IMO, that's just a diversion from discussing other aspects of an issue.

Or people who will take on particular aspect of an issue.. like death panels.. and beat that one aspect to death without having any knowledge whatsoever on anything else that was not reverberated by Coulter, Beck or Rush.

Smurf-Herder
08-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Or people who will take on particular aspect of an issue.. like death panels.. and beat that one aspect to death without having any knowledge whatsoever on anything else that was not reverberated by Coulter, Beck or Rush.

Notice I didn't participate in the "Death Panel" discussion. I was more concerned about the 27 member board to be appointed by Obama, who would decide what constitutes a payable benefit, under a public option plan. But I held of discussing it, until I saw how viable a public option would eventually be in a finished bill.

doctordog
08-16-2009, 05:27 PM
Bumping your own thread... you pissed off that nobody is paying attention to you?

just like you bump them when someone ignores you on any thread