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Life_Long_Dem!
08-14-2009, 03:14 PM
WASHINGTON — The stubborn yet false rumor that President Obama’s health care proposals would create government-sponsored “death panels” to decide which patients were worthy of living seemed to arise from nowhere in recent weeks.

Advanced even this week by Republican stalwarts including the party’s last vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, and Charles E. Grassley, the veteran Iowa senator, the nature of the assertion nonetheless seemed reminiscent of the modern-day viral Internet campaigns that dogged Mr. Obama last year, falsely calling him a Muslim and questioning his nationality.

But the rumor — which has come up at Congressional town-hall-style meetings this week in spite of an avalanche of reports laying out why it was false — was not born of anonymous e-mailers, partisan bloggers or stealthy cyberconspiracy theorists.

Rather, it has a far more mainstream provenance, openly emanating months ago from many of the same pundits and conservative media outlets that were central in defeating President Bill Clinton’s health care proposals 16 years ago, including the editorial board of The Washington Times, the American Spectator magazine and Betsy McCaughey, whose 1994 health care critique made her a star of the conservative movement (and ultimately, New York’s lieutenant governor).

There is nothing in any of the legislative proposals that would call for the creation of death panels or any other governmental body that would cut off care for the critically ill as a cost-cutting measure. But over the course of the past few months, early, stated fears from anti-abortion conservatives that Mr. Obama would pursue a pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia agenda, combined with twisted accounts of actual legislative proposals that would provide financing for optional consultations with doctors about hospice care and other “end of life” services, fed the rumor to the point where it overcame the debate.

On Thursday, Mr. Grassley said in a statement that he and others in the small group of senators that was trying to negotiate a health care plan had dropped any “end of life” proposals from consideration.

A pending House bill has language authorizing Medicare to finance beneficiaries’ consultations with professionals on whether to authorize aggressive and potentially life-saving interventions later in life. Though the consultations would be voluntary, and a similar provision passed in Congress last year without such a furor, Mr. Grassley said it was being dropped in the Senate “because of the way they could be misinterpreted and implemented incorrectly.”

The extent to which it and other provisions have been misinterpreted in recent days, notably by angry speakers at recent town hall meetings but also by Ms. Palin — who popularized the “death panel” phrase — has surprised longtime advocates of changes to the health care system.

“I guess what surprised me is the ferocity, it’s much stronger than I expected,” said John Rother, the executive vice president of AARP, which is supportive of the health care proposals and has repeatedly declared the “death panel” rumors false. “It’s people who are ideologically opposed to Mr. Obama, and this is the opportunity to weaken the president.”

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, by an outlet decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

In an editorial, the newspaper reminded its readers of the Aktion T4 program of Nazi Germany in which “children and adults with disabilities, and anyone anywhere in the Third Reich was subject to execution who was blind, deaf, senile, retarded, or had any significant neurological condition.”

Noting the “administrative predilections” of the new team at the White House, it urged “anyone who sees the current climate as a budding T4 program to win the hearts and minds of deniers.”

The editorial captured broader concerns about Mr. Obama’s abortion rights philosophy held among socially conservative Americans who did not vote for him. But it did not directly tie forced euthanasia to health care plans of Mr. Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress.

When the Democrats included money for family planning in a proposed version of the stimulus bill in January, the socially conservative George Neumayr wrote for the American Spectator: “Euthanasia is another shovel ready job for Pelosi to assign to the states. Reducing health care costs under Obama’s plan, after all, counts as economic stimulus, too — controlling life, controlling death, controlling costs.”

Ms. McCaughey, whose 1994 critique of Mr. Clinton’s plan was hotly disputed after its publication in The New Republic, weighed in around the same time.

She warned that a provision in the stimulus bill would create a bureaucracy to “monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost-effective,” was carried in a commentary she wrote for Bloomberg News that gained resonance throughout the conservative media, most notably with Rush Limbaugh and the Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck.

The legislation did not direct the coordinator to dictate doctors’ treatments. A separate part of the law — regarding a council set up to coordinate research comparing the effectiveness of treatments — states that the council’s recommendations cannot “be construed as mandates or clinical guidelines for payment, coverage or treatment.”

But Ms. McCaughey’s article provided another opportunity for others to raise the specter of forced euthanasia. “Sometimes for the common good, you just have to say, ‘Hey, Grandpa, you’ve had a good life,’ ” Mr. Beck said.

The syndicated conservative columnist Cal Thomas wrote, “No one should be surprised at the coming embrace of euthanasia.” The Washington Times editorial page reprised its reference to the Nazis, quoting the Aktion T4 program: “It must be made clear to anyone suffering from an incurable disease that the useless dissipation of costly medications drawn from the public store cannot be justified.”

The notion was picked up by various conservative groups, but still, as Mr. Obama and Congress remained focused on other matters, it did not gain wide attention. Former Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota, an advocate for the health care proposals, said he was occasionally confronted with the “forced euthanasia” accusation at forums on the plans, but came to see it as an advantage. “Almost automatically you have most of the audience on your side,” Mr. Daschle said. “Any rational normal person isn’t going to believe that assertion.”

But as Congress developed its legislation this summer, critics seized on provisions requiring Medicare financing for “end of life” consultations, bringing the debate to a peak. To David Brock, a former conservative journalist who once impugned the Clintons but now runs a group that monitors and defends against attacks on liberals, the uproar is a reminder of what has changed — the creation of groups like his — and what has not.

“In the 90s, every misrepresentation under the sun was made about the Clinton plan and there was no real capacity to push back,” he said. “Now, there is that capacity.”

Still, one proponent of the euthanasia theory, Mr. Neumayr, said he saw no reason to stop making the claim.

“I think a government-run plan that is administered by politicians and bureaucrats who support euthanasia is inevitably going to reflect that view,” he said, “and I don’t think that’s a crazy leap.”

Robert Pear contributed reporting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html?_r=1&no_interstitial=&pagewanted=print

SeniorChief
08-14-2009, 04:22 PM
Attention Dumbfuck - Aisle 3!

"False" Rumor?

Son, it was in the bill.

Senators caved and took it out.

Educate yourself son - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

Thai Kimchi
08-14-2009, 04:32 PM
Attention Dumbfuck - Aisle 3!

"False" Rumor?

Son, it was in the bill.

Senators caved and took it out.

Educate yourself son - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2


Thank god those Senators caved, Chief!

Heaven forbid we pay the tab for a citizens' patient/private doctor end-of-life counseling!

The horror!

deadnun
08-14-2009, 04:46 PM
Not everyone is convinced that the final bill will not have it,
Grassley does not have the final word, and come re-election,
he may not have a job. Think of the mileage the opponent can bring :)


OLBERMANN: As to this issue, Mr. Obama has spoken before of not making the mistakes the Clintons made. But here today, we saw Chuck Grassley bury a provision. He based it on a lie pushed by Sarah Palin but written originally by Betsy McCaughey, the same big pharma shill who's now discredited lies, got the first reform killed while the Clintons were in power.

How is Mr. Obama doing any better at this point?

DEAN: Well, first of all, I don't think Chuck Grassley has the power to bury anything. The way the Republicans are behaving, they are digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole. They are playing to their base and their base is all excited. The trouble is, their base is shrinking and nobody really cares if you're under 35 and you voted 63 percent for Barack Obama about what the Republicans have to say because they are becoming increasingly irrelevant.

So, I don't-you know, Chuck Grassley is probably not going to have a vote that matters at the end of this because the Republicans aren't going to play.

OLBERMANN: But are the end-of-life provisions going to be in this bill? Or is this just the first thing they cut out?

DEAN: No, they'll be in the bill because it has nothing do with death panels or any of that stuff. They're just making that up. And I think, at the end of the day, you got to have a decent bill and that's part of it.

OLBERMANN: Is this-I don't know if there's a word that characterize the last week and a half of death panelitis and the paranoia that has managed to damage something had a would benefit so many people who are there yelling about it as if it were a gunshot threat. I don't know what word describes that.

But is it-is it necessary to this process or was the correct move in retrospect taking some input from the GOP at the beginning and then writing a good bill and telling them vote for it or not, we're bringing it to a vote before this August dog and pony show can be conducted around the country?

DEAN: I don't think a dog and pony show is all bad. First of all, people really are angry. They're not just angry about health care. In fact, they-frankly, most of them don't know what's in the health care bill because what they have been told is totally untrue. But they are angry because there's a recession going on. I would venture to guess 90 percent of the people shaking their fists and shouting down congressmen didn't vote for Obama in first place. There's a generational change going on in this country and these are the folks who are very uncomfortable with it.

So, look, it's not Obama's fault. He tried to get the GOP to cooperate. They are not interested in cooperating. Chuck Grassley bragged that he's sending the bill to the bottom, and he's one of the guys supposedly.

So, this is-it's not going to work. We're going to have to pass this thing with a very big majority that the American people gave us, and this very vocal minority is going to have to custom itself to the change. And they will because an awful lot of them are already on a governor-run program. It's called Medicare and they like it.

OLBERMANN: We kept hearing what a brawler the chief of staff would be, Rahm Emanuel, in that position as he has been in so many others. Betsy McCaughey dragged his brother into this, the doctor, Dr. Emanuel into this.

So, why is there not more dukes up quality to this from the White House? The press secretary was very cautious about what he said today about Senator Grassley.

DEAN: I think-you know, I think these guys are digging themselves as deep hole and will encourage their base and their base will get all excitement. As I said before, their base is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. I think-you know, they are doing themselves enormous damage for their future. And, frankly, the smart thing do is step out of the way and let them keep doing this to themselves.

Nobody really, truthfully, except for the most faithful of the far-right, believes that there is a death panel in this bill. Nobody believes that. And the more they talk like this, the harder it's going to be to convince anybody that there's much substance to their proposals at all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32416300/


So the insane get to scream & shout for a few weeks
and think they won a battle when they are losing the war.

Independent Harry
08-14-2009, 08:22 PM
I love how end of life counseling turns into death panels...some people will believe any bullshit that is pushed on them. The fact is most people don't plan for their death and a lot of loose ends are left untied. End of life counseling is a growing industry. I know at least one lawyer that has dedicated his entire practice to it.