Eman Has Arrived

[Environment Man]

I think my Political Groove purchase is going to be one of my best acquisitions ever.

I'm expecting a 400 percent return.

[MintJulep]

Don't play games E. You know damn well I was referring to why did you lie about K?:banghead:Binky, why are you so upset about that lying asshole Kande Ass? He's a grade A prick.

[Environment Man]

Binky, why are you so upset about that lying asshole Kande Ass? He's a grade A prick.

She is just sensitive that way Mint.

I find it endearing. Though misguided.

What happens if you ignore a bully?

What happens if a nation is not prepared for an aggressive invader?

What happens if you are passive in the face of aggression?

[MintJulep]

She is just sensitive that way Mint.

I find it endearing. Though misguided.

What happens if you ignore a bully?

What happens if a nation is not prepared for an aggressive invader?

What happens if you are passive in the face of aggression? You empower the aggressor.

With a bully, you just smack 'em between the eyes. :D

[Environment Man]

You empower the aggressor.

With a bully, you just smack 'em between the eyes. :D

Exactly. And then THEY END UP DOING THE WHINING.

[CosmicRocker]

I can't play chess anymore.
Maybe cause I got Ca. Budz, and always wind up getting buzzed and psyched to play a game.

I played stoned last night - and it was pitiful.
Advanced players tore me apart - i usually hold my own at least.

Damned blitz chess - i need some real time games, migft actually go to a club for some live games.
Moribund is the term -useless moves.

[MintJulep]

Exactly. And then THEY END UP DOING THE WHINING.Always. It's as predictable as the sun rising.

[Environment Man]

I can't play chess anymore.
Maybe cause I got Ca. Budz, and always wind up getting buzzed and psyched to play a game.

I played stoned last night - and it was pitiful.
Advanced players tore me apart - i usually hold my own at least.

Damned blitz chess - i need some real time games, migft actually go to a club for some live games.
Moribund is the term -useless moves.

Blitz chess is the best. Life is short.

You are just challenging yourself Cos.

You are a brilliant chess player.

So like a rock star who has played his main hit 1,000 times, you need a challenge to keep it interesting.

That is also one interesting component of marriage.

Its a hit. But you have to play it all the time.

[Environment Man]

Always. It's as predictable as the sun rising.

I got the greatest kick out of watching my son prove that true when he was about 7 or 8.

[Environment Man]

Hmmmmm.

DC Junkies sure is a very nice chat board.

Hmmmmm.

[Binky]

Binky, why are you so upset about that lying asshole Kande Ass? He's a grade A prick.

Because both are acting like a couple of stupid five year olds..... You and E have more experience dealing with him than I....I have not dealt with him as you have. We've only chatted four of five times. That isn't enough to get a bead on someone..... I know K's been in here several times stirring up trouble. But I also know E. loves the chaos of it and keeps stirring that shit pot. It all just seems ignorant to me.... That's my take on it....

[Environment Man]

Because both are acting like a couple of stupid five year olds..... You and E have more experience dealing with him than I....I have not dealt with him as you have. We've only chatted four of five times. That isn't enough to get a bead on someone..... I know K's been in here several times stirring up trouble. But I also know E. loves the chaos of it and keeps stirring that shit pot. It all just seems ignorant to me.... That's my take on it....

See what he did? Now Bink is cross with me.

What am I to do Binky when a bully stalks me into my own thread?

I am incapable of eating someone's bullshit. Or ignoring their challenges.

But you are right. I do enjoy opening a can of whip ass.

[slowhand]

Only one precondition: nobody can go back in warring with Eric. I still have him running the place and its in our contract.

Thanks, but no thanks

[Environment Man]

Thanks, but no thanks

Why do you want to war with Eric Slow?

There is so much else to do.

He will not pursue you. I know that.

He never pursued me.

And I made much more noise than you.

[slowhand]

Why do you want to war with Eric Slow?

There is so much else to do.

He will not pursue you. I know that.

He never pursued me.

And I made much more noise than you.

I am done playing war with him..Matter of fact Im done with him peroid

End of story

[Binky]

See what he did? Now Bink is cross with me.

What am I to do Binky when a bully stalks me into my own thread?

I am incapable of eating someone's bullshit. Or ignoring their challenges.

But you are right. I do enjoy opening a can of whip ass.


I understand that E. and I agree, but did you have to drag it on so long? Oh well....it's your thread. I just don't understand why each of you love getting called names and tossing them back......

[Environment Man]

I am done playing war with him..Matter of fact Im done with him peroid

End of story

Well its a big board Slow.

And I need you man.

Have I EVER hassled you in any way brother?

[Environment Man]

I understand that E. and I agree, but did you have to drag it on so long? Oh well....it's your thread. I just don't understand why each of you love getting called names and tossing them back......

I can go all day and all night and all day again and all night.

I am geared for combat even though it is relaxing sport here.

It is partially a male thing too Bink. And I am sure you are familiar with that.

But he comes up in Eman's house talking shit, I gotta open the can.

[slowhand]

Well its a big board Slow.

And I need you man.

Have I EVER hassled you in any way brother?

No, that is not the point..The point is, is that I dont subscribe to Eric's quirks, and I have no desire to be on the same turf as him..For me to go back there for me, sends the message that I tolerate and support his agenda, and that would be hypocracy on my part..I dont go where Im not wanted

[Environment Man]

No, that is not the point..The point is, is that I dont subscribe to Eric's quirks, and I have no desire to be on the same turf as him..For me to go back there for me, sends the message that I tolerate and support his agenda, and that would be hypocracy on my part..I dont go where Im not wanted

I respectfully disagree.

You should have been there for the Unmoderated Section.

Eric was STRICTLY hands off. His view was fight it out but don't include him.

The new paradigm will be that way.

He created the other section because he knew he overplayed his hand and ran off too many people.

Again, you don't have to deal with Eric at all.

During all of my posting there, he and I have had minimal contact.

And that is because he knows he would ban me and I know I would get banned by him.

Just like you. So we know to stay away from each other.

Why can't you do that?

Your insights and input back in the day were invaluable.

[Binky]

I can go all day and all night and all day again and all night.

I am geared for combat even though it is relaxing sport here.

It is partially a male thing too Bink. And I am sure you are familiar with that.

But he comes up in Eman's house talking shit, I gotta open the can.

I do understand why you have to fire back. I just don't get why it lasts so long....But I guess it's because you both love to battle it out.....Oh yeah, I know all about men and their manly man bullpucky....

[Environment Man]

I do understand why you have to fire back. I just don't get why it lasts so long....But I guess it's because you both love to battle it out.....Oh yeah, I know all about men and their manly man bullpucky....

It is why men war.

Men are crazy agents of Satan.

Completely unable to control their testosterone.

I am a weak man in that regard Binky. Pray for me.

[slowhand]

I respectfully disagree.

You should have been there for the Unmoderated Section.

Eric was STRICTLY hands off. His view was fight it out but don't include him.

The new paradigm will be that way.

He created the other section because he knew he overplayed his hand and ran off too many people.

Again, you don't have to deal with Eric at all.

During all of my posting there, he and I have had minimal contact.

And that is because he knows he would ban me and I know I would get banned by him.

Just like you. So we know to stay away from each other.

Why can't you do that?

Your insights and input back in the day were invaluable.

I made it a point to stay away from him when I was active there..He did alot of things to people that irritated me..But I kept it to myself untill he banned Galt..That was the last straw, and thats where I drew the line in the sand ..He did unfair things to people I never agreed with..Bornright was one of them, but I respect bornright for telling Eric to shove it, and never looking back

[Environment Man]

I made it a point to stay away from him when I was active there..He did alot of things to people that irritated me..But I kept it to myself untill he banned Galt..That was the last straw, and thats where I drew the line in the sand ..He did unfair things to people I never agreed with..Bornright was one of them, but I respect bornright for telling Eric to shove it, and never looking back

Oh Slow stop it.

Everybody has their quirks. And Eric has his. So what.

It is his board and we all had lots of fun there. Give the man his quirks.

He puts in a lot of free time there just as they do here to provide a platform for us to play.

You act like you didn't have any fun.

But if you have your mind completely made up, I guess I understand.

Unfortunately you rob other people of your unique perspective on things when you stay away though.

You were one of my favorite posters there.

Get your steam back man. I mean the most Eric can do is ban you.

But now he has to answer to me.

[slowhand]

Oh Slow stop it.

Everybody has their quirks. And Eric has his. So what.

It is his board and we all had lots of fun there. Give the man his quirks.

He puts in a lot of free time there just as they do here to provide a platform for us to play.

You act like you didn't have any fun.

But if you have your mind completely made up, I guess I understand.

Unfortunately you rob other people of your unique perspective on things when you stay away though.

You were one of my favorite posters there.

Get your steam back man. I mean the most Eric can do is ban you.

But now he has to answer to me.

Thank You for the compliments, but I cant go back there

[Environment Man]

Thank You for the compliments, but I cant go back there

Well be comforted to know that if he gets too far out of line I will fire him.

And then I think you will come back.

[Environment Man]

Wow. Everybody goes back to work on Monday.

What will 2010 bring?

It already brought me PG.

Maybe DC Junkies is next. We'll see.

A year goes by so quickly now.

[MintJulep]

Because both are acting like a couple of stupid five year olds..... You and E have more experience dealing with him than I....I have not dealt with him as you have. We've only chatted four of five times. That isn't enough to get a bead on someone..... I know K's been in here several times stirring up trouble. But I also know E. loves the chaos of it and keeps stirring that shit pot. It all just seems ignorant to me.... That's my take on it....KandiAss started this. You can't expect Eman not to defend himself.

[Environment Man]

Let us analyze Mint's signature.

"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." -Ayn Rand

First it isn't very romantic.

A couple, particularly a married couple, should completely surrender themselves to each other.

Selflessly.

Yet you are not living your life FOR the other person, but WITH the other person.

Within that context though, one DOES live for the sake of the other person.

It is the giving between the two that is the merger into one unit.

Being one.

Ayn Rand was strange anyway. Really strange and selfish.

I saw a C-SPAN discussion about her by two professors.

And that quote captures her perfectly.

[Kanadesaga]

KandiAss started this. You can't expect Eman not to defend himself.

No, I didn't, he did by posting sexually degrading posts about my mother.

[Environment Man]

No, I didn't, he did by posting sexually degrading posts about my mother.

Are you still singing that old song.

I have moved on from your slurs. You should move on too.

[Kanadesaga]

Binky, why are you so upset about that lying asshole Kande Ass? He's a grade A prick.

coming from you, the greatest of compliments.:thumbsup:

[Kanadesaga]

Are you still singing that old song.

I have moved on from your slurs. You should move on too.

Nope. you lied.

[Kana]

Ayn Rand was strange anyway. Really strange and selfish.


I'm sure she would have taken that as a compliment. The point of her philosophy was that selfishness is not a bad thing.

[Environment Man]

Nope. you lied.

Nope. You demonstrate yourself to me all the time.

Who you are in relation to me.

That is not a lie. It is the truth.

And it is why I have responded so vehemently to you.

But you cannot see that.

Because people like you insist on telling people like me what racism is.

[Environment Man]

I'm sure she would have taken that as a compliment. The point of her philosophy was that selfishness is not a bad thing.

Correct.

She was quite eccentric.

And totally self absorbed.

My Eman character identifies with her. But not the real me.

I think she was a bit insane.

[Kanadesaga]

Nope. You demonstrate yourself to me all the time.

Who you are in relation to me.

That is not a lie. It is the truth.

And it is why I have responded so vehemently to you.

But you cannot see that.

Because people like you insist on telling people like me what racism is.

You said lies about me, then you posted vile things about my mother. Unprovoked. except for the delusions in your little warped mind.

[Environment Man]

You said lies about me, then you posted vile things about my mother. Unprovoked. except for the delusions in your little warped mind.

Mainly because of your slinging slurs around. Mainly.

Note how I don't do that with anybody who does not start slinging slurs.

You're just sneaky about it. Same thing to me though.

But the one clear signal to me that someone is racist, or at least inclined to racist acts, is their willingness to use that vile term in any context.

And I respond accordingly. And unapologetically.

[Kanadesaga]

Mainly because of your slinging slurs around. Mainly.

Note how I don't do that with anybody who does not start slinging slurs.

You're just sneaky about it. Same thing to me though.

But the one clear signal to me that someone is racist, or at least inclined to racist acts, is their willingness to use that vile term in any context.

And I respond accordingly. And unapologetically.


Really? then you should read what your girl minty has written @ rumble, she throws the word around like she is very comfortable with it. exactly what you accuse me of. But I'm sure you'll have a different standard for her.

Oh, and the thread in question has been restored, so everyone can judge for themselves. I have screenshots, if you want, I can post them.

[Environment Man]

Really? then you should read what your girl minty has written @ rumble, she throws the word around like she is very comfortable with it. exactly what you accuse me of. But I'm sure you'll have a different standard for her.

Oh, and the thread in question has been restored, so everyone can judge for themselves. I have screenshots, if you want, I can post them.

You care about that link shit. I don't give a shit.

Well all whites have used it at one time or another. We all have our own racial feelings.

And she has not used it towards me ever in any fashion.

Yet you go out of your way to do it. And I respond accordingly.

But you run along with your LINK obsession and post it anyway.

You think we're producing some sort of thesis here I guess.

[Kanadesaga]

You care about that link shit. I don't give a shit.

Well all whites have used it at one time or another. We all have our own racial feelings.

And she has not used it towards me ever in any fashion.

But you run along with your LINK obsession and post it anyway.

You think we're producing some sort of thesis here I guess.

It's called a "consensus'. And I value the truth.

I never used the word "at you" either, but I said you'd have a different standard for her.

[Environment Man]

It's called a "consensus'. And I value the truth.

I never used the word "at you" eitherm but I said you'd have a different standard for her.

You went out of your way to 'present' it to me.

And you know it. I responded accordingly. With no regrets.

Good luck trying to turn me against Mint.

And yes I do have a different standard for her.

You try to present yourself as a 'good' liberal.

But I know you don't have to scratch a liberal too deeply to reveal the real person.

You are my proof of that on these boards.

[John Galt]

I'm sure she would have taken that as a compliment. The point of her philosophy was that selfishness is not a bad thing.
As the resident Ayn Rand aficionado...I wouldn't quite agree with this.


She never professed selfishness, rather...egotism. Two different things.

She did say selflessness is a bad thing. She didn't recognize altruism as a good thing.

Her theory was that if everyone acted solely to benefit themselves, they would do the best possible job. She fantasized about a society of uber competent individuals, who all worked toward a common goal....that of eradicating incompetence.

That doesn't necessarily mean she supported an 'every man for himself' attitude, as seen by her fictional secret society in Atlas Shrugged.


The vast majority of the righties who hold her up as a hero, don't have a clue as to what she actually attempted to say.

Best to view her as an amazing author, with an unmatched vocabulary. Her stories certainly had their faults...but fiction is fiction.

I never viewed her as a savior....just my favorite author.

[MintJulep]

Really? then you should read what your girl minty has written @ rumble, she throws the word around like she is very comfortable with it. exactly what you accuse me of. But I'm sure you'll have a different standard for her.

Oh, and the thread in question has been restored, so everyone can judge for themselves. I have screenshots, if you want, I can post them.I used it in one thread to describe what you called Eman - and you did. All the denials and protestation in the world doesn't change what you've said.

I saw the thread at PG where you teabagged Eric and cried you are being abused here and even brought up how you "defended Eric when I said he was abusing dogs". Gawd, your ass licking knows no bounds.

[MintJulep]

Her theory was that if everyone acted solely to benefit themselves, they would do the best possible job. That's common sense. No one with a functioning brain will work their ass off to benefit someone else.

[John Galt]

That's common sense. No one with a functioning brain will work their ass off to benefit someone else.
Not necessarily true.

We've seen planned obsolescence in many products over the years.

One who takes pride in his/her life's work, would choose to do the best job that is humanly possible, or build the best product possible. This benefits everyone.

It benefits everyone, when we all strive to reach our fullest potential.

When Ayn Rand wrote the bulk of her work, there were no social programs like we have today. Her biggest gripe was against a concept....altruism.

She saw no sense in 'giving'...as in the church....with the hope of salvation in return. She preferred to focus on the individual. If everyone adopted her theory, we wouldn't need to 'give of oneself' to those in supposed need.

Everyone would have a strong work ethic, and this concept of 'striving for oneself' would effect every aspect of their life...including the creation of a family that one could afford to support.


By today's standards, it's a tough concept to grasp.

[Environment Man]

As the resident Ayn Rand aficionado...I wouldn't quite agree with this.


She never professed selfishness, rather...egotism. Two different things.

Isn't that a distinction without a difference?

Rand was a selfish egotist. How's that? Such always leads to an eccentric.

Just add drugs and you have a bonafide nut.

A smart nut. But a nut nontheless.

She did say selflessness is a bad thing. She didn't recognize altruism as a good thing.

Clearly she rejected Christianity in favor of worshipping her own ideas.

For me she is a standard self worshipper and worshipper in the perfectability of man.

She is actually quite scary. Thank God she never achieved any real political power.

She actually reminds me of Hitler.

Her theory was that if everyone acted solely to benefit themselves, they would do the best possible job. She fantasized about a society of uber competent individuals, who all worked toward a common goal....that of eradicating incompetence.

Damn this sounds very Nazi to me.

I bet she would also favor genetic engineering of humans to come up with the 'best' human.

And I would also be willing to bet that such human in her view would be blond haired and blue eyed.

You know, sometimes great intelligence can be a very dangerous thing.

And this is why emphathy is so important. Even sympathy. She respects neither.

Moreover, any consideration of either would only be in the context of what she considers to be virtue.

Unfortunately, she does not see empathy and sympathy as virtues.

What manner of cold love did she practice?

That doesn't necessarily mean she supported an 'every man for himself' attitude, as seen by her fictional secret society in Atlas Shrugged.

But she clearly DID support every man for himself.

In fact that is the core of her philosophy.

Clearly she probably favored masturbation over making love with another person.

The vast majority of the righties who hold her up as a hero, don't have a clue as to what she actually attempted to say.

Well as a conservative, I like her private market views and excellence is a requirement for success for the righteous business person.

Yet the religious conservative would reject her worship of man's mind.

Objectivity and rational self interest stop at Jesus' door.

For instance, on its face there is nothing objective or rational to the purely scientific mind about the Second Coming of Jesus and his resurrection of all Earth's dead.

Rand would love my belief in pure market based capitalism.

But she would hate my religious belief.

Best to view her as an amazing author, with an unmatched vocabulary. Her stories certainly had their faults...but fiction is fiction.

Agreed. The shifty eyed, gapped toothed cigarette smoker would probably be a good to party with and debate.

I never viewed her as a savior....just my favorite author.

Good conclusion.

[Kana]

As the resident Ayn Rand aficionado...I wouldn't quite agree with this.


She never professed selfishness, rather...egotism. Two different things.

She did say selflessness is a bad thing. She didn't recognize altruism as a good thing.

Her theory was that if everyone acted solely to benefit themselves, they would do the best possible job. She fantasized about a society of uber competent individuals, who all worked toward a common goal....that of eradicating incompetence.

That doesn't necessarily mean she supported an 'every man for himself' attitude, as seen by her fictional secret society in Atlas Shrugged.


The vast majority of the righties who hold her up as a hero, don't have a clue as to what she actually attempted to say.

Best to view her as an amazing author, with an unmatched vocabulary. Her stories certainly had their faults...but fiction is fiction.

I never viewed her as a savior....just my favorite author.

She did use the word "selfishness" regularly in her non-fiction, even titling one of her essays on ethics, "The Virtue of Selfishness" (http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/texts/text%201/rand.html). I think she used the word precisely because it was provocative and challenging to the prevailing altruistic world view.

She did, however, stress the point that she used the word differently from the common understanding. Most people think of selfishness as simple greed or instantaneous gratification. She put forward a ethical system based on forward-thinking, rational selfishness. Rationality was the key, because rationality was just as important to Rand's philosophy as the rejection of altruism.

Like many libertarians, I've dabbled in Objectivism. I think I even called myself an Objectivist for about two minutes. Some of the more fanatical Randians put me off, though.

[Environment Man]

I used it in one thread to describe what you called Eman - and you did. All the denials and protestation in the world doesn't change what you've said.

I saw the thread at PG where you teabagged Eric and cried you are being abused here and even brought up how you "defended Eric when I said he was abusing dogs". Gawd, your ass licking knows no bounds.

He will never get it Mint.

Because he does not want to get it.

For him it is too much to ask to not use that term in any manner to me.

To reject the use of the 'n-word' instead as a respectful way to recognize the trespasses of the past by one's ancestors.

So it is an attitude in addition to the willingness to use.

And it is then combined with an insistence that I respect HIS parameters of what represents 'respect.'

And I am inclined to meet blind aggression WITH blind aggression.

Consistently and insistently.

There are no rules in war. But I will never fire the first shot.

[Environment Man]

Not necessarily true.

We've seen planned obsolescence in many products over the years.

One who takes pride in his/her life's work, would choose to do the best job that is humanly possible, or build the best product possible. This benefits everyone.

It benefits everyone, when we all strive to reach our fullest potential.

Unfortunately not all are motivated and 'smart.'

Some are weak, lazy and dumb.

What would Rand do with these people if she had power?

When Ayn Rand wrote the bulk of her work, there were no social programs like we have today. Her biggest gripe was against a concept....altruism.

She saw no sense in 'giving'...as in the church....with the hope of salvation in return. She preferred to focus on the individual. If everyone adopted her theory, we wouldn't need to 'give of oneself' to those in supposed need.

I think the suburbs are Rand's idea of perfection. Isolated boxes of self interest with virtually no altruism per community.

I hate the suburbs.

I love the village life of New York. Give me the subway over a limo any day.

Everyone would have a strong work ethic, and this concept of 'striving for oneself' would effect every aspect of their life...including the creation of a family that one could afford to support.

But everybody does not have a strong work ethic.

Some people hate paper work.

Rand was an intellectual snob. She would be hated by common folk.

Just as I am sure she hated common folk.

I agree with Rand's concept of being the best you can be.

But her rejection of altruism is her fatal flaw.

By today's standards, it's a tough concept to grasp.

Well Big Government is NOT altruist or objective in the final analysis.

It is just stupid.

[Environment Man]

She did use the word "selfishness" regularly in her non-fiction, even titling one of her essays on ethics, "The Virtue of Selfishness" (http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/texts/text%201/rand.html). I think she used the word precisely because it was provocative and challenging to the prevailing altruistic world view.

She did, however, stress the point that she used the word differently from the common understanding. Most people think of selfishness as simple greed or instantaneous gratification. She put forward a ethical system based on forward-thinking, rational selfishness. Rationality was the key, because rationality was just as important to Rand's philosophy as the rejection of altruism.

Like many libertarians, I've dabbled in Objectivism. I think I even called myself an Objectivist for about two minutes. Some of the more fanatical Randians put me off, though.

My complaint is when they start establishing their own morality based on their own objectivism.

The human mind is too fickle to trust with the establishment of a man-created morality.

In my humble and altruist opinion, secular progressivism leads to chaos the ultimate undoing of a civilization.

[John Galt]

She did use the word "selfishness" regularly in her non-fiction, even titling one of her essays on ethics, "The Virtue of Selfishness" (http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/texts/text%201/rand.html). I think she used the word precisely because it was provocative and challenging to the prevailing altruistic world view.

She did, however, stress the point that she used the word differently from the common understanding. Most people think of selfishness as simple greed or instantaneous gratification. She put forward a ethical system based on forward-thinking, rational selfishness. Rationality was the key, because rationality was just as important to Rand's philosophy as the rejection of altruism.

Like many libertarians, I've dabbled in Objectivism. I think I even called myself an Objectivist for about two minutes. Some of the more fanatical Randians put me off, though.
Good point...I've read all her stuff....T.V.O.S included. And yes...she certainly did use the word to her own liking.

I think it's important to keep her works in the proper place in society. She wrote fantasies, that allowed her to put forth her (valid, IMO) theories.

However, I don't believe there is anyone here that would grant Howard Roark the right to blow up the building he designed, solely because he didn't agree with the implementation of same. Say nothing of believing that he'd be acquitted in a court of law!


Some of her social commentary from the 40's and 50's, especially w/respect to the incompetence of the govt., came to a rather spooky fruition under Bushco.

There are some sound theories in Libertarianism, as there are in Socialism, and Democracy as well. For some reason, none of these systems function to full capacity.


What you often find with the fanatical Randians, is that they aren't familiar with her work. They pluck soundbites from various 'bandwagon' Neo Libertarian sites.

Again...she's an author....dammit. I found her private meetings to be somewhat contrary to her theory of individualism.

[Kana]

What you often find with the fanatical Randians, is that they aren't familiar with her work. They pluck soundbites from various 'bandwagon' Neo Libertarian sites.

Again...she's an author....dammit. I found her private meetings to be somewhat contrary to her theory of individualism.

My experience with radical Randians is that when you ask them what think about a particular issue, they will reply, "Ayn Rand said..." They don't give their own thoughts; they simply regurgitate hers. And if you dare disagree with any item of Objectivist philosophy, they will tell you go read her books. If you tell them you already have, then they will usually respond that you must have been too stupid to understand them, because no one could possibly have any informed disagreements with Saint Ayn.

That's when they have crossed the line between philosophy and religion.

My feelings about Objectivism are much like my feelings about Christianity. I find a lot to like in both Rand and Christ, but their followers give me the willies, sometimes.

[Environment Man]

Again...she's an author....dammit. I found her private meetings to be somewhat contrary to her theory of individualism.

For instance: she had to know that smoking was irrational.

Yet she did it anyway.

[Environment Man]

My feelings about Objectivism are much like my feelings about Christianity. I find a lot to like in both Rand and Christ, but their followers give me the willies, sometimes.

See: Eman

And note that Rand's private life was a mess. Almost completely irrational.

One wonders why she married at all. I guess to please herself.

[slowhand]

My experience with radical Randians is that when you ask them what think about a particular issue, they will reply, "Ayn Rand said..." They don't give their own thoughts; they simply regurgitate hers. And if you dare disagree with any item of Objectivist philosophy, they will tell you go read her books. If you tell them you already have, then they will usually respond that you must have been too stupid to understand them, because no one could possibly have any informed disagreements with Saint Ayn.

That's when they have crossed the line between philosophy and religion.

My feelings about Objectivism are much like my feelings about Christianity. I find a lot to like in both Rand and Christ, but their followers give me the willies, sometimes.

Sounds exactly like Palinmania teabaggers

[MintJulep]

Sounds exactly like Palinmania teabaggersI don't believe homosexuals were big Palin supporters........

[Environment Man]

Sounds exactly like Palinmania teabaggers

What's wrong with Palinmania teabaggers?

They are right that government is out of control.

Almost completely undisciplined at this point.

Big government feeds the beast that has grown 'too big to fail.'

Let the dinosaurs die.

[MintJulep]

He will never get it Mint.

Because he does not want to get it.

For him it is too much to ask to not use that term in any manner to me.

To reject the use of the 'n-word' instead as a respectful way to recognize the trespasses of the past by one's ancestors.

So it is an attitude in addition to the willingness to use.

And it is then combined with an insistence that I respect HIS parameters of what represents 'respect.'

And I am inclined to meet blind aggression WITH blind aggression.

Consistently and insistently.

There are no rules in war. But I will never fire the first shot. He's said it and condoned some of the most foul racist displays ever set forth over at PG. All of his denials ring hollow. But to run to mods and admins like a thumb sucking crybaby when anyone calls him out? Jeeez. He would have NEVER survived at the BM board.

[CosmicRocker]

Good point...I've read all her stuff
There are some sound theories in Libertarianism, as there are in Socialism, and Democracy as well. For some reason, none of these systems function to full capacity.

Never read her - never tried.

You just hit the nail on the head though -no one idelology fits all equations.

One can't make 1 philosophy fir all situations - that's the whole concept about being NON ideological.
Just look at the issue - figure out the best solution ( tricky -but doable) without preconceptions.

voila' ! The Independent Mindset !

[Environment Man]

I don't believe homosexuals were big Palin supporters........

Rand had no respect for the institution of marriage because of her rejection of religion.

She only respected herself and her own needs.

I would bet money that she preferred a dildo to a penis.

[Environment Man]

He's said it and condoned some of the most foul racist displays ever set forth over at PG. All of his denials ring hollow. But to run to mods and admins like a thumb sucking crybaby when anyone calls him out? Jeeez. He would have NEVER survived at the BM board.

The race war with him was but a repeat of same I had at the BM board.

The result was the same too. I got banned.

But I'm up for it any day: Butch Eman & The Mint Julep Kid.

Let's rock.

[John Galt]

Never read her - never tried.

You just hit the nail on the head though -no one idelology fits all equations.

One can't make 1 philosophy fir all situations - that's the whole concept about being NON ideological.
Just look at the issue - figure out the best solution ( tricky -but doable) without preconceptions.

voila' ! The Independent Mindset !
Check your pm's at RV

[Environment Man]

Never read her - never tried.

You just hit the nail on the head though -no one idelology fits all equations.

One can't make 1 philosophy fir all situations - that's the whole concept about being NON ideological.
Just look at the issue - figure out the best solution ( tricky -but doable) without preconceptions.

voila' ! The Independent Mindset !

Sounds like Buddhism at work to me.

Practical.

Rand was a literary rock star.

One should not look to rock stars to establish life lessons or rules though.

[Environment Man]

Was Rand's affair rational?

Was the break up of the affair rational?

[John Galt]

For instance: she had to know that smoking was irrational.

Yet she did it anyway.
As well, it was a virtual requirement that her followers smoke too. Of course, the facts were still being hidden about cancer back then.

Interesting as well, she rejected the modern Libertarian movement.

It's easy to understand the basic premise of 'self' over 'the whole', when discussing Rand.

She immigrated from Russia, and loved the ability to express oneself in this country.

[Environment Man]

As well, it was a virtual requirement that her followers smoke too. Of course, the facts were still being hidden about cancer back then.

She should not have needed external confirmation to rationally conclude that sucking weed smoke down into one's lungs is unhealthy.

Even before it was ruled as such, most people more than suspected that smoking was not healthy.

It probably ultimately led to her untimely demise.

Interesting as well, she rejected the modern Libertarian movement.

Probably because at the end of the day, any political philosophy runs into disagreement about the definition of what liberty happens to be over some particular issue that is important to two different people for two different reasons.

In a vote among 3 individuals of the Randian persuasion, one will probably be unhappy when outvoted.

It's easy to understand the basic premise of 'self' over 'the whole', when discussing Rand.

Yet one cannot separate the self from the whole and have an organized society.

There is a self and a whole and to the maximum extent practicable, the two should hopefully coexist peacefully.

Note how much trouble humans have always had with this simply fact.

She immigrated from Russia, and loved the ability to express oneself in this country.

Like many who move from the country to the city. Lots of energy compared to those already there.

Well she REALLY expressed herself.

My guess is that she did not like the way she looked though.

So how could she reconcile that with herself?

I guess one way was intellectual intimidation.

[slowhand]

I don't believe homosexuals were big Palin supporters........

I didnt say anything about homosexuals

[slowhand]

What's wrong with Palinmania teabaggers?

They are right that government is out of control.

Almost completely undisciplined at this point.

Big government feeds the beast that has grown 'too big to fail.'

Let the dinosaurs die.

The real question is, what is right with them?

[Environment Man]

The real question is, what is right with them?

Advocating for smaller government, particularly via less spending.

[John Galt]

Advocating for smaller government, particularly via less spending.
The question nobody wishes to answer...

Where were these people hiding for the last 8 years?

[John Galt]

.





Yet one cannot separate the self from the whole and have an organized society.




Precisely. Which is why I draw the line in the Rand:lmao2: at excellent author.

Certainly, not a well thought out philosophy, if you attempt strict adherence.

[Environment Man]

The question nobody wishes to answer...

Where were these people hiding for the last 8 years?

They are hypocrites and more interested in power than solving problems.

The main problem with the American political system right now.

One can have one's political beliefs and parties, but 'power' is more important than principle.

[Environment Man]

Precisely. Which is why I draw the line in the Rand:lmao2: at excellent author.

This made me laugh out loud.

Certainly, not a well thought out philosophy, if you attempt strict adherence.

Rand was a literary rock star philosopher of her day.

And you have her in the right perspective.

To think that Alan Greenspan was one of her groupies is somewhat disturbing.

[slowhand]

Advocating for smaller government, particularly via less spending.

They are already bitching about Obama's inexperience, why would they want Palin in his place?..That is hypocritical insanity!

[Environment Man]

They are already bitching about Obama's inexperience, why would they want Palin in his place?..That is hypocritical insanity!

I already admitted their hypocrisy. But that is not the point.

They only seek to exploit Obama's inexperience in order to undermine him so they can get the power back.

The left does the same thing to Palin.

The competition for political power, which is now economic power, has become perverse.

And hypocrisy is but one symptom.

[CosmicRocker]

Check your pm's at RV
replied to it

[slowhand]

I already admitted their hypocrisy. But that is not the point.

They only seek to exploit Obama's inexperience in order to undermine him so they can get the power back.

The left does the same thing to Palin.

The competition for political power, which is not economic power, has become perverse.

And hypocrisy is but one symptom.

Of course..There are those who would love to see Obama fail, even at the expense of bringing the country down with him..That is as about as un-American as one can get

Im not exactly thrilled with his performance so far, but he entered office with phenomenal obstacles in his path, a finanacial disaster..Bush's transition into office was smooth in comparison

But Palin isnt the answer, never was, never will be

[Environment Man]

Of course..There are those who would love to see Obama fail, even at the expense of bringing the country down with him..That is as about as un-American as one can get.

Absolutely correct. I am up close and personal watching the partisanship and one upsmanship for the sake of power.

And there is a lot of power at stake.

If inner city thugs kill each other over drug crumbs, imagine what powerful people will do for fortunes.

Our system is at risk from within. America is now second to our own desires for political and economic power in the name of the party we pledge allegiance to.

"Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you."

Im not exactly thrilled with his performance so far, but he entered office with phenomenal obstacles in his path, a finanacial disaster..Bush's transition into office was smooth in comparison.

Bush signaled the enormity of the problems when he went against his own priniciples in supporting the TARP.

He had no choice. Just as Obama has not had a choice.

To let Fannie and Freddie go under is probably not possible now.

So they have been given a blank check.

So these beasts should have never been created. Now they devour us in a sea of red ink.

Same with GM.

Yet I know that if we had the discipline to let the dinosaurs die, more efficient and effective systems would replace them.

But Palin isnt the answer, never was, never will be

Maybe she could be. If she would slay the beast, then she is qualified.

But not even Ronald Reagan could slow the beast down.

[CosmicRocker]

Absolutely correct. I am up close and personal watching the partisanship and one upsmanship for the sake of power.

And there is a lot of power at stake.

If inner city thugs kill each other over drug crumbs, imagine what powerful people will do for fortunes.

Our system is at risk from within. America is now second to our own desires for political and economic power in the name of the party we pledge allegiance to.

"Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you."



Bush signaled the enormity of the problems when he went against his own priniciples in supporting the TARP.

He had no choice. Just as Obama has not had a choice.

To let Fannie and Freddie go under is probably not possible now.

So they have been given a blank check.

So these beasts should have never been created. Now they devour us in a sea of red ink.

Same with GM.

Yet I know that if we had the discipline to let the dinosaurs die, more efficient and effective systems would replace them.



Maybe she could be. If she would slay the beast, then she is qualified.

But not even Ronald Reagan could slow the beast down. The red ink is our Beast of Burden ( Stones), Nice post.

[CosmicRocker]

I already admitted their hypocrisy. But that is not the point.

They only seek to exploit Obama's inexperience in order to undermine him so they can get the power back.

The left does the same thing to Palin.

The competition for political power, which is not economic power, has become perverse.

And hypocrisy is but one symptom.
Man you ARE on a roll !!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

I could not agree with you more - like 110% of what you are saying.

Partisian Politics are poisoning the US -this is as bad or worse than I've seen it since the 60's

At least the 60's were about changing society/ideas -
now it's ALL about aquiring and maintaining power.

The prime motivator -forget " the ppl" -all DC cares about is power politics.

[Environment Man]

The red ink is our Beast of Burden ( Stones), Nice post.

The Stones are a great blues band.

Beast of Burden was their successful attempt to get a hit out of the blues/rock fusion.

I bet if they felt they could please their fans, they would much prefer to do entire blues sets now.

Alas, they have to live up to expectations of the fans now.

And one can only hold so many tunes in one's head.

It might be fun to get a new name and play small venues as a blues band though.

I mean they have enough money.

[MintJulep]

I didnt say anything about homosexualsTeabaggers are homosexuals. Was that a Freudian slip?

[Environment Man]

Man you ARE on a roll !!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

I could not agree with you more - like 110% of what you are saying.

Partisian Politics are poisoning the US -this is as bad or worse than I've seen it since the 60's

At least the 60's were about changing society/ideas -
now it's ALL about aquiring and maintaining power.

The prime motivator -forget " the ppl" -all DC cares about is power politics.

Fortunately Obama understands what is going on.

He mastered the game long ago. But events can overtake even a brilliant mind or performer.

Carter was much smarter than Reagan, but events overtook Carter.

Plus Carter's response to the hostage crisis was tepid at best.

I accept that we are a socialist/capitalist country now.

I accept that Fannie and Freddie have a blank check.

I accept that the debt and deficit are irrevelant.

Fortunately, so far, the internet has reestablished frontier adventurism.

[MintJulep]

The race war with him was but a repeat of same I had at the BM board.

The result was the same too. I got banned.

But I'm up for it any day: Butch Eman & The Mint Julep Kid.

Let's rock.He is over at RV crying about it and denying it.

The same thing happened to another black conservative at the BM board named jrock. The white sheets came out so fast it would make your head spin.

[Environment Man]

Teabaggers are homosexuals. Was that a Freudian slip?

Hey Mint.

Everybody had an opinion about your signature except you.

Did you see the discussion?

[Environment Man]

He is over at RV crying about it and denying it.

The same thing happened to another black conservative at the BM board named jrock. The white sheets came out so fast it would make your head spin.

It is baffling to me how liberal whites condemn white conservatives as racist, yet give themselves permission to practice racism on black conservatives.

Don't they get it. They are just like those they seek to condemn.

Racism is racism. Regardless of one's own party affiliation.

I don't hate liberals or go all racist on them just because they are liberal whites.

At a minimum, I expect the same consideration.

The liberal's propensity for paternalism towards me just makes me want to puke.

And then the demand that I think their way or they will 'go racist' always lets me know that 'race battle' is coming.

Then when I tear them a new asshole, they run whining about WHAT I SAID.

[MintJulep]

Hey Mint.

Everybody had an opinion about your signature except you.

Did you see the discussion?Yep. I saw it. There were so many posts about it I only commented on the other posts. My sig has nothing to do with romance or marriage -- it means no one will work their hardest for the benefit of others. I know I certainly won't. I've read a book of Ayn Rand's, but am no expert on her. I like her philosophy about individualism though.

[MintJulep]

It is baffling to me how liberal whites condemn white conservatives as racist, yet give themselves permission to practice racism on black conservatives.

Don't they get it. They are just like those they seek to condemn.

Racism is racism. Regardless of one's own party affiliation.

I don't hate liberals or go all racist on them just because they are liberal whites.

At a minimum, I expect the same consideration.

The liberal's propensity for paternalism towards me just makes me want to puke.

And then the demand that I think their way or they will 'go racist' always lets me know that 'race battle' is coming.

Then when I tear them a new asshole, they run whining about WHAT I SAID.lucytalk "gets" it and she made a remark about exactly what you're saying directed to Kandi Ass at RV. She said she has seen it done to you at PG and mentioned jrock from BM. lucy is not your typical spineless lockstep lemming and that's why I've always liked her.

[Environment Man]

Yep. I saw it. There were so many posts about it I only commented on the other posts. My sig has nothing to do with romance or marriage -- it means no one will work their hardest for the benefit of others. I know I certainly won't. I've read a book of Ayn Rand's, but am no expert on her. I like her philosophy about individualism though.

She had an affair with a married man with the approval of her spouse and the spouse of the married man.

When the other married man cheated on her with another woman who was not his wife, she ended the affair and cut off the friendship with the wife of the married man because the wife hid the extramarital infidelity too.

[slowhand]

Absolutely correct. I am up close and personal watching the partisanship and one upsmanship for the sake of power.

And there is a lot of power at stake.

If inner city thugs kill each other over drug crumbs, imagine what powerful people will do for fortunes.

Our system is at risk from within. America is now second to our own desires for political and economic power in the name of the party we pledge allegiance to.

"Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country can do for you."


Power corrupts..It thrives on the vulnerability of the human condition, and manifests itself in the demoralization of moral human fiber


Bush signaled the enormity of the problems when he went against his own priniciples in supporting the TARP.

He had no choice. Just as Obama has not had a choice.

To let Fannie and Freddie go under is probably not possible now.

So they have been given a blank check.

So these beasts should have never been created. Now they devour us in a sea of red ink.

Same with GM.

Yet I know that if we had the discipline to let the dinosaurs die, more efficient and effective systems would replace them.

I think Bush and Obama threw tax dollars into the wind when they bailed out these failing institutions, in lieu of standing by and doing nothing

In the case of GM, it was redundant to bail out an institution that was manufacturing a product that consumers could not afford to buy..The root of the problem was not the failure of GM's finanacial stability..GM was the victim of a failed economy..IMO, if there was a need for a bailout, it was the people who needed to be bailed out..By bailing out GM, they had the cart before the horse, and ultimately GM went to China looking for a solution to their financial woes..That federal bailout money suplimented GM's payroll for an extended period of time, and was a temporary bandaid applied to a cut that needed stitches

Maybe she could be. If she would slay the beast, then she is qualified.

But not even Ronald Reagan could slow the beast down.

Maybe, but she is not there yet..

[slowhand]

Teabaggers are homosexuals. Was that a Freudian slip?

I said "Palinmania teabaggers"..How did you get homosexuality out of that?

[MintJulep]

She had an affair with a married man with the approval of her spouse and the spouse of the married man.

When the other married man cheated on her with another woman who was not his wife, she ended the affair and cut off the friendship with the wife of the married man because the wife hid the extramarital infidelity too.Okay. LOL. I didn't know that. Weird. I don't know much about her personal life but I do agree with some of the things she's written.

[MintJulep]

I said "Palinmania teabaggers"..How did you get homosexuality out of that?Because teabaggers are gay?

[slowhand]

Because teabaggers are gay?

News to me..........

[Environment Man]

lucytalk "gets" it and she made a remark about exactly what you're saying directed to Kandi Ass at RV. She said she has seen it done to you at PG and mentioned jrock from BM. lucy is not your typical spineless lockstep lemming and that's why I've always liked her.

Lucy has torn me a new asshole on more than one occassion when she felt that I trespassed against her.

[Environment Man]

Power corrupts..It thrives on the vulnerability of the human condition, and manifests itself in the demoralization of moral human fiber

Unfortunately I was so glad when Gore lost because the same crowd would have been in power.

And they had become so drunk with power. People like Carol Browner.

I think Bush and Obama threw tax dollars into the wind when they bailed out these failing institutions, in lieu of standing by and doing nothing

In the case of GM, it was redundant to bail out an institution that was manufacturing a product that consumers could not afford to buy..The root of the problem was not the failure of GM's finanacial stability..GM was the victim of a failed economy..IMO, if there was a need for a bailout, it was the people who needed to be bailed out..By bailing out GM, they had the cart before the horse, and ultimately GM went to China looking for a solution to their financial woes..That federal bailout money suplimented GM's payroll for an extended period of time, and was a temporary bandaid applied to a cut that needed stitches

The politician cannot let these big beasts fail though because so many jobs are at risk downstream.

And those are voters.

Ideally you have to let something that does not work fail. Then a better brand will emerge.

We are beyond that now though with these large institutions.

Maybe, but she is not there yet..

Doesn't matter who it is. Now the government and the private sector are complete partners.

The President. Congress. The Supreme Court. And Corporate America.

The 4 branches of American government and private sector performance.

[MintJulep]

Lucy has torn me a new asshole on more than one occassion when she felt that I trespassed against her.She has torn me a new asshole many times in the past too.

And she is tearing Kandi Ass a new one too. She said that while she didn't see him write it, she wouldn't be surprised if he did because she's seen him participate in gang-bang attacks. She also said he isn't a real liberal because a real liberal wouldn't be using racial slurs like that.

She is spunky. I like her.

[slowhand]

Unfortunately I was so glad when Gore lost because the same crowd would have been in power.

And they had become so drunk with power. People like Carol Browner.

I am not familiar with Browner



The politician cannot let these big beasts fail though because so many jobs are at risk downstream.

And those are voters.

Ideally you have to let something that does not work fail. Then a better brand will emerge.

We are beyond that now though with these large institutions.

It's a catch 22 situation..Damned if you do, and damned if you dont..I think they should have devised other methods of incentives for the people, other than cash for clunkers



Doesn't matter who it is. Now the government and the private sector are complete partners.

The President. Congress. The Supreme Court. And Corporate America.

The 4 branches of American government and private sector performance.

True that, and that is the problem with both parties..That take precedence over everything

[Environment Man]

I am not familiar with Browner

Bill Clinton EPA Administrator.

It's a catch 22 situation..Damned if you do, and damned if you dont..I think they should have devised other methods of incentives for the people, other than cash for clunkers

Right. But ultimately the market will adjust to meet the needs of the people.

I mean you can go to the Moon, but then what?

True that, and that is the problem with both parties..That take precedence over everything

Bottom line is that the government cannot and should not become as large an employer as the private sector.

And that is the direction we are heading. That is tyranny. Slowly applied.

[CosmicRocker]

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Haven't seen sun in 2 days - dark COLD NEAR FREEZING -So bad I have to run in with my cat every 1/2 hour. No gloves !!! dont own them

I've never seen this long a coldsnap - supposed to be FREEZE warnings this whole week ! :help:

[John Galt]

Because teabaggers are gay?
Perhaps some, but certainly not all.

The first time I heard the term 'teabags' used to refer to the scrotum, was when I condescended to watch "Sex and The City" with my GF.

One of the main characters was freeking because her new boyfriend always hung out on her new couch in the nude.

They were talking about his teabags, and I was hysterical. As an added bonus, the guy always left his real teabags laying around the house, so it made for good comedy.

A 'teabagger' is anybody that puts his balls in someone else's face.


If you ain't gettin teabagged once in a while, then you ain't treatin your man right!



OMG...am I starting to sound like Eman?









I'd better get out of this thread.

[John Galt]

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Haven't seen sun in 2 days - dark COLD NEAR FREEZING -So bad I have to run in with my cat every 1/2 hour. No gloves !!! dont own them

I've never seen this long a coldsnap - supposed to be FREEZE warnings this whole week ! :help:
It was beautiful up here today....never got above 13

[Kanadesaga]

She has torn me a new asshole many times in the past too.

And she is tearing Kandi Ass a new one too. She said that while she didn't see him write it, she wouldn't be surprised if he did because she's seen him participate in gang-bang attacks. She also said he isn't a real liberal because a real liberal wouldn't be using racial slurs like that.

She is spunky. I like her.

she hasn't torn anyone anything today. But I like how you two keep having this circle jerk about me. the thread is restored, you have to be opted in to the zone to see it.

Your campaign of disinformation will not work. You are a liar and eman has admitted he lied, unless of course he has already edited the post. Which would be typical for him. and the only people I see crying aboiut anything is you and the eturd.

[Environment Man]

she hasn't torn anyone anything today. But I like how you two keep having this circle jerk about me. the thread is restored, you have to be opted in to the zone to see it.

Your campaign of disinformation will not work. You are a liar and eman has admitted he lied, unless of course he has already edited the post. Which would be typical for him. and the only people I see crying aboiut anything is you and the eturd.

I admitted I lied about KKKdecumfilledsoggycondom.

Is that you?

[Environment Man]

Perhaps some, but certainly not all.

The first time I heard the term 'teabags' used to refer to the scrotum, was when I condescended to watch "Sex and The City" with my GF.

One of the main characters was freeking because her new boyfriend always hung out on her new couch in the nude.

They were talking about his teabags, and I was hysterical. As an added bonus, the guy always left his real teabags laying around the house, so it made for good comedy.

A 'teabagger' is anybody that puts his balls in someone else's face.


If you ain't gettin teabagged once in a while, then you ain't treatin your man right!

OMG...am I starting to sound like Eman?

I'd better get out of this thread.

Eman is chaste.

Or is that chasted?

[Environment Man]

Haven't seen sun in 2 days - dark COLD NEAR FREEZING -So bad I have to run in with my cat every 1/2 hour. No gloves !!! dont own them

I've never seen this long a coldsnap - supposed to be FREEZE warnings this whole week ! :help:

Man the hawk swooped here all day yesterday and today.

Had to cancel my normal 4 miles walk both days.

Feels like it is in the teens here.

[John Galt]

Eman is chaste.

Or is that chasted?
chafed????

[Environment Man]

chafed????

Calluses????

[CosmicRocker]

Man the hawk swooped here all day yesterday and today.

Had to cancel my normal 4 miles walk both days.

Feels like it is in the teens here.You do 4 miles?
Damn E - you put me to shame, I gotta pick up the pace.

2 miles wear me out.

[MintJulep]

Man the hawk swooped here all day yesterday and today.

Had to cancel my normal 4 miles walk both days.

Feels like it is in the teens here.It's in the 20s here at night for the next week. The high today was only in the 40s. I'm not used to this stuff!

[Environment Man]

You do 4 miles?
Damn E - you put me to shame, I gotta pick up the pace.

2 miles wear me out.

Yep. That should burn 400 calories.

Too cold the past two days though.

Hope it is better tomorrow.

I do 40 stomach crunches and 100 leg lifts each day too.

Trying to get the belly off and get my skinny rock star good looks back.

[Environment Man]

It's in the 20s here at night for the next week. The high today was only in the 40s. I'm not used to this stuff!

We need some of that good old Global Warming this winter.

[CosmicRocker]

It's in the 20s here at night for the next week. The high today was only in the 40s. I'm not used to this stuff!It made it up to the 40's?

I worked inside till 3:30 - I went outside with the cat -it was freaking UNBEARABLE. I was (am shivering!)

I'm headed for a shower, and some home made pea soup, then undewr my electric blanket.

Tomorrow is my entire day off - i'll clean then - not even gonna try to start tonight.

[Environment Man]

It made it up to the 40's?

I worked inside till 3:30 - I went outside with the cat -it was freaking UNBEARABLE. I was (am shivering!)

I'm headed for a shower, and some home made pea soup, then undewr my electric blanket.

Tomorrow is my entire day off - i'll clean then - not even gonna try to start tonight.

This must be a nightmare for people not too used to really cold weather.

First 60 degree day this winter, I am getting in 18.

[MintJulep]

It made it up to the 40's?

I worked inside till 3:30 - I went outside with the cat -it was freaking UNBEARABLE. I was (am shivering!)

I'm headed for a shower, and some home made pea soup, then undewr my electric blanket.

Tomorrow is my entire day off - i'll clean then - not even gonna try to start tonight.I think it got up to 44 or 46. I can't take it.............

[MintJulep]

We need some of that good old Global Warming this winter.I'll say. I don't mind cool weather. Just keep it above freezing please. :D

[CosmicRocker]

Yep. That should burn 400 calories.

Too cold the past two days though.

Hope it is better tomorrow.

I do 40 stomach crunches and 100 leg lifts each day too.

Trying to get the belly off and get my skinny rock star good looks back.
I was really out of shape. lost a ton of weight, and am learning tai chi when my neighbor has time to walk me thru the moves.

I'm getting a bike - flat Florida is perfect. - time to cruise a bit.

[MintJulep]

she hasn't torn anyone anything today. But I like how you two keep having this circle jerk about me. the thread is restored, you have to be opted in to the zone to see it.

Your campaign of disinformation will not work. You are a liar and eman has admitted he lied, unless of course he has already edited the post. Which would be typical for him. and the only people I see crying aboiut anything is you and the eturd.KSog. She has your number. There is no disinformation campaign. You know what has gone on over there as well as I and you have been part of every gangbang that went down. There is no denying that.........

[Environment Man]

KSog. She has your number. There is no disinformation campaign. You know what has gone on over there as well as I and you have been part of every gangbang that went down. There is no denying that.........

Ksoggy is like a drunk who does and says all kinds of shit when he's drunk and then acts like he's done nothing wrong when he's sober.

He's so self absorbed.

[Environment Man]

I was really out of shape. lost a ton of weight, and am learning tai chi when my neighbor has time to walk me thru the moves.

I'm getting a bike - flat Florida is perfect. - time to cruise a bit.

I was out of shape too.

I'm in shape now. Feels good too.

But I worked on getting that beer belly for about 20 years.

I'm trying to be patient in getting it off.

I want the ladies to gasp when they see my 6-pack instead of gasping in horror at my watermelon.

[MintJulep]

Ksoggy is like a drunk who does and says all kinds of shit when he's drunk and then acts like he's done nothing wrong when he's sober.

He's so self absorbed.Is that what's going on? lucy said he might be drunk when he's writing all of this shit. I never thought about it but I guess it's possible. Sort of like what julia does.

[MintJulep]

I want the ladies to gasp when they see my 6-pack instead of gasping in horror at my watermelon.:lmao2:

Six packs are hard to get apparently.

[Environment Man]

Is that what's going on? lucy said he might be drunk when he's writing all of this shit. I never thought about it but I guess it's possible. Sort of like what julia does.

You know that could be it.

Cause most times he's pretty steady.

Oh oh.

[MintJulep]

You know that could be it.

Cause most times he's pretty steady.

Oh oh.Another sot.............:lmao2:

[doctordog]

Ksoggy is like a drunk who does and says all kinds of shit when he's drunk and then acts like he's done nothing wrong when he's sober.

He's so self absorbed.

Now that causes a vision!:D

[Environment Man]

:lmao2:

Six packs are hard to get apparently.

I am doubling up on my stomach crunches. 80 per day.

I'm gonna be looking for a bride when my son goes off to college this fall.

[Environment Man]

Now that causes a vision!:D

Hey everybody. Looks who's here.

Way is IN THE HOUSE.

[Environment Man]

Another sot.............:lmao2:

You think Harper Lee is missing me yet?

You know she's over here peeking.

She's such a lurker. She likes to watch.

[Environment Man]

Where the hell is Binky?

[doctordog]

Hey everybody. Looks who's here.

Way is IN THE HOUSE.

Finally got rid of my weed head step son and family, we have had company since 12/22.:thumbsup:

[Environment Man]

Finally got rid of my weed head step son and family, we have had company since 12/22.:thumbsup:

Did you look for his stash?

[Environment Man]

The ladies were just dying without you Way.

No Way can I give them what you do.

[John Galt]

You do 4 miles?
Damn E - you put me to shame, I gotta pick up the pace.

2 miles wear me out.
Take advantage of the freezing temps...
Put some clothes on, and spend as much time as you can outside.

Take a really long walk...as many hours as you can stand.

Put on a hat, and steal some gloves from someone.


Your body will burn mega calories just trying to keep you warm.


I lose weight every year during icefishing.

[doctordog]

Did you look for his stash?

He blew up his car driving up, naturally it was a piece of shit, so I had to buy a car so he could leave.

[doctordog]

The ladies were just dying without you Way.

No Way can I give them what you do.

Well, I am back and they can start healing up:thumbsup:

[Environment Man]

He blew up his car driving up, naturally it was a piece of shit, so I had to buy a car so he could leave.

That was a nice Christmas present for him.

That was a very generous thing to do.

And I'm sure your wife really appreciated it too.

[doctordog]

That was a nice Christmas present for him.

That was a very generous thing to do.

And I'm sure your wife really appreciated it too.

She did, but she made him sign a loan agreement (shock). We will see how it goes.

[Environment Man]

She did, but she made him sign a loan agreement (shock). We will see how it goes.

How old is he?

If he's under 25 or 30 that loan goes the way of GM loan.

[doctordog]

How old is he?

If he's under 25 or 30 that loan goes the way of GM loan.

34, drugs have dominated his life, it is a shame as he is a father and husband

[Bill Cosby]

She did, but she made him sign a loan agreement (shock). We will see how it goes.

So will we see you two on judge Judy????:lmao2: :lmao2:

Sounds to me he might of gamed you........... Sold that pile of crap for a couple bags & knew you would get him a ride to get rid of him...........

Those druggies aint fools.......... :lmao2:

[doctordog]

So will we see you two on judge Judy????:lmao2: :lmao2:

Sounds to me he might of gamed you........... Sold that pile of crap for a couple bags & knew you would get him a ride to get rid of him...........

Those druggies aint fools.......... :lmao2:


he can't sell it, no clear title. We are the lien holders

[Environment Man]

34, drugs have dominated his life, it is a shame as he is a father and husband

Well the age is right.

Maybe he will mature out of the dinking and drugging soon.

Maybe around 40 or so. Hope his wife can hang in there another 6 years or so.

You helped him out though. That's important.

And having a kid has a way of making you mature real fast.

[Environment Man]

So will we see you two on judge Judy????:lmao2: :lmao2:

Sounds to me he might of gamed you........... Sold that pile of crap for a couple bags & knew you would get him a ride to get rid of him...........

Those druggies aint fools.......... :lmao2:

He'll be alright BC.

34 is still rather young.

[CosmicRocker]

Take advantage of the freezing temps...
Put some clothes on, and spend as much time as you can outside.

Take a really long walk...as many hours as you can stand.

Put on a hat, and steal some gloves from someone.


Your body will burn mega calories just trying to keep you warm.


I lose weight every year during icefishing. I don't have the clothing -especially the gloves, and just had no desire to head out at dark in the freezing cold.

I 'll do that tomorrow - maybe around noonish so my hands don't freeze,

[doctordog]

Well the age is right.

Maybe he will mature out of the dinking and drugging soon.

Maybe around 40 or so. Hope his wife can hang in there another 6 years or so.

You helped him out though. That's important.

And having a kid has a way of making you mature real fast.

The kid is 8, and his dad served 20 months 4 years ago.

[MintJulep]

I don't have the clothing -especially the gloves, and just had no desire to head out at dark in the freezing cold.

I 'll do that tomorrow - maybe around noonish so my hands don't freeze,I can't take this. It's going to be this way for an entire week!

[doctordog]

I can't take this. It's going to be this way for an entire week!

It is supposed to be 10 here tonight and I just talked to an associate in IA, they are expected to be below ZERO tonight and 8-10 for 3 days for highs!

[Environment Man]

The kid is 8, and his dad served 20 months 4 years ago.

Well I hope he doesn't have an addiction.

That's another matter altogether.

My son just turned 18 today. And I am thankful.

[Environment Man]

Isn't it amazing how the earth is at that 23 degree angle to produce the seasons?

And it is summertime in south america right now.

[Bill Cosby]

he can't sell it, no clear title. We are the lien holders

No I meant the junker he was driving to your place..............

If it is in your name if this fool runs someone down you can be held liable??

He likely don't have shit, so they will come looking for Mr DeepPockets..

[Bill Cosby]

Isn't it amazing how the earth is at that 23 degree angle to produce the seasons?

And it is summertime in south america right now.

What would happen if we did not have the tilt???

[doctordog]

No I meant the junker he was driving to your place..............

If it is in your name if this fool runs someone down you can be held liable??

He likely don't have shit, so they will come looking for Mr DeepPockets..

The junker has been signed over to me and hopefully it will bring 3-400 at the auto sale Thursday. This other vehicle is in his wife's name with us listed at lien holders and payable by the insurance company. Should he default, I never have to see his worthless ass at Xmas ever again, which would make me smile as well.

[MintJulep]

The junker has been signed over to me and hopefully it will bring 3-400 at the auto sale Thursday. This other vehicle is in his wife's name with us listed at lien holders and payable by the insurance company. Should he default, I never have to see his worthless ass at Xmas ever again, which would make me smile as well.Good for you for doing a good deed.

[MintJulep]

It is supposed to be 10 here tonight and I just talked to an associate in IA, they are expected to be below ZERO tonight and 8-10 for 3 days for highs!I don't know how people live like this for 8 months out of a year. I couldn't do it.......

[doctordog]

I don't know how people live like this for 8 months out of a year. I couldn't do it.......

me neither, I have to go up there in a few weeks, I hope it is at least 30

[doctordog]

Good for you for doing a good deed.

To be honest I didn't want to do it, but on the other hand I did not want to have company until Easter either. Between my wife and I we have bailed him out time and time again and while we see glimmers of hope he has always resorted to his old ways every time there is a hiccup in his life. This is why I am so direct when discussing legalization of weed because I am seeing first hand how this one has let my wife down due to his addictive personality.

[Environment Man]

What would happen if we did not have the tilt???

One season. Probably moderate.

[doctordog]

One season. Probably moderate.

It is a shame it would not have the same effect on our government:thumbsup:

[Environment Man]

It is a shame it would not have the same effect on our government:thumbsup:

We are China now Way. Get used to it.

In fact I would recommend learning to speak some Chinese.

[doctordog]

We are China now Way. Get used to it.

In fact I would recommend learning to speak some Chinese.

General Tso chicken
sweet and sour soup
chicken chow mein
egg foo yung

How's that?

[MintJulep]

To be honest I didn't want to do it, but on the other hand I did not want to have company until Easter either. Between my wife and I we have bailed him out time and time again and while we see glimmers of hope he has always resorted to his old ways every time there is a hiccup in his life. This is why I am so direct when discussing legalization of weed because I am seeing first hand how this one has let my wife down due to his addictive personality.Well, what else can you do? He's a little old to be so hung up on weed at this point in his life.

[MintJulep]

General Tso chicken
sweet and sour soup
chicken chow mein
egg foo yung

How's that?What is that really hot Chinese dish, is it Kung Pow chicken? I can't remember.....:lmao2:

[Environment Man]

General Tso chicken
sweet and sour soup
chicken chow mein
egg foo yung

How's that?

Pretty good.

I have to get back over there soon.

[Environment Man]

Where the hell is Binky?

[doctordog]

Well, what else can you do? He's a little old to be so hung up on weed at this point in his life.

weed is where it started, then to crack, back to weed, back to crack. Hopefully he is done, if not, we are.

[doctordog]

Where the hell is Binky?

She is taking a nap, I will tell her you said hi when she wakes up.;)

[doctordog]

What is that really hot Chinese dish, is it Kung Pow chicken? I can't remember.....:lmao2:

not sure, I only eat the same 4-5 things.

[MintJulep]

weed is where it started, then to crack, back to weed, back to crack. Hopefully he is done, if not, we are.Oh my GOD. If he is on that crack shit, I feel for you.

[MintJulep]

not sure, I only eat the same 4-5 things.I think it's Kung Pow, but I prefer Japanese food anyway.

[CosmicRocker]

I can't take this. It's going to be this way for an entire week!
It is GODDAM COLD>Mother put in a heater this year - thank God, we've not had one for the 5 years i've live with her since I moved in when her husband died.

So the damn thing is running like every 20 minues - we just have single pane windows.

Costing a fortune, and my skin is all dry, hands stay cold, it's horrible.

[Environment Man]

"Avatar (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2010&wknd=01&p=.htm)" has passed the $1 billion mark worldwide.

[MintJulep]

It is GODDAM COLD>Mother put in a heater this year - thank God, we've not had one for the 5 years i've live with her since I moved in when her husband died.

So the damn thing is running like every 20 minues - we just have single pane windows.

Costing a fortune, and my skin is all dry, hands stay cold, it's horrible.It's terrible. I haven't gone out at all today. I covered the plants yesterday afternoon. God I hope I don't lose the banana trees and other plants.

[MintJulep]

"Avatar (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2010&wknd=01&p=.htm)" has passed the $1 billion mark worldwide. I'd like to see that. I heard it was making some people nauseous from the F/X?

[Environment Man]

I loved the 3-D. The future of movie going has arrived. Depth in a movie is a ery good thing.

[Bill Cosby]

One season. Probably moderate.

So would that be better or a disaster??

[doctordog]

"Avatar (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2010&wknd=01&p=.htm)" has passed the $1 billion mark worldwide.

I need to see that!

[Environment Man]

So would that be better or a disaster??

A disaster in my opinion.

God designed it to work the way it works.

The plants need that winter hibernation break.

The snow purifies.

My guess is that plant life could stress out and die or overrun the earth.

[Bill Cosby]

The junker has been signed over to me and hopefully it will bring 3-400 at the auto sale Thursday. This other vehicle is in his wife's name with us listed at lien holders and payable by the insurance company. Should he default, I never have to see his worthless ass at Xmas ever again, which would make me smile as well.

Not sure what the law is there, but I think here that can get you in trouble...

How fully that fool does not do anything stupid.........

[Environment Man]

I need to see that!

Yes you do. The 3 hours fly by.

[doctordog]

Not sure what the law is there, but I think here that can get you in trouble...

How fully that fool does not do anything stupid.........

that is why I would not live in California, dead beats have too many rights for wronging too many people.

[Environment Man]

Not sure what the law is there, but I think here that can get you in trouble...

How fully that fool does not do anything stupid.........

Come on BC. Way is being supportive of his wife.

And they seem to have their paperwork in order.

It is very hard for a parent to abandon a child. Even when they are grown.

[Environment Man]

that is why I would not live in California, dead beats have too many rights for wronging too many people.

Cali is begging for a federal bailout.

Let's just sell Cali to China for a trillion dollars.

[Bill Cosby]

Come on BC. Way is being supportive of his wife.

And they seem to have their paperwork in order.

It is very hard for a parent to abandon a child. Even when they are grown.

I understand but I think he needs to protect himself & his family as well... SO he seems to have taken it into consideration.. WOrks for me.......

[doctordog]

Cali is begging for a federal bailout.

Let's just sell Cali to China for a trillion dollars.

I would be fine with that, but they would want a refund once they discovered mwillman, Pelosi, Boxer, and Waxman.

[Bill Cosby]

Cali is begging for a federal bailout.

Let's just sell Cali to China for a trillion dollars.

Look here sarango you keep that up & I will see about having you deported back to DC...........:thumbsup:

I would consider selling south california back to Mexico........ We would keep San Deigo, Riverside & orange counties........:lmao2: :lmao2:

[Environment Man]

I would be fine with that, but they would want a refund once they discovered mwillman, Pelosi, Boxer, and Waxman.

Damn Way.

I had never thought about them all together like that.

That is really really scary.

But they are saying that Boxer is in trouble. She could lose.

Who is running against her?

[Environment Man]

Look here sarango you keep that up & I will see about having you deported back to DC...........:thumbsup:

You know, I should be on Catalina right now and not back here in this cold.

It is usually very mild in winter in DC.

I'll be ready next year.

I would consider selling south california back to Mexico........ We would keep San Deigo, Riverside & orange counties........:lmao2: :lmao2:

I love San Clemente.

[doctordog]

Damn Way.

I had never thought about them all together like that.

That is really really scary.

But they are saying that Boxer is in trouble. She could lose.

Who is running against her?

not sure, mwillman or Cosby should know

[Bill Cosby]

You should ask someone that voted for them.........

[Bill Cosby]

You know, I should be on Catalina right now and not back here in this cold.

It is usually very mild in winter in DC.

I'll be ready next year.



I love San Clemente.

Yea it has been crazy there.... When I was in the DC area we got some snow but not like that.

I lived in the city (NYC) & we got cold & snow but nothing like 50 below zero.......

[Kanadesaga]

I admitted I lied about KKKdecumfilledsoggycondom.

Is that you?


I knew you were too much a coward and a dishonorable man to ever stand by anythnig you say. I knew you'd take the low raod and say it wasn't me you lied about. Liars never change. and neither do pimps.

[Kanadesaga]

KSog. She has your number. There is no disinformation campaign. You know what has gone on over there as well as I and you have been part of every gangbang that went down. There is no denying that.........


blow it out your ass!

[Environment Man]

I knew you were too much a coward and a dishonorable man to ever stand by anythnig you say.

Eman is not a coward.

Eman IS dishonorable. And proudly so.

Now if you are KKKdecumfilledsoggycondom, then it is not a lie.

Again, is that you?

I knew you'd take the low raod and say it wasn't me you lied about. Liars never change. and neither do pimps.

If you are KKKdecumfilledsoggycondom, then that is who I lied about.

Just admit that that is you and we should be in agreement.

[John Galt]

weed is where it started, then to crack, back to weed, back to crack. Hopefully he is done, if not, we are.
Crack/coke is a reason to sever all ties.

This has less to do with weed, and everything to do with the type of individual that he is. He either inherited these traits from his father, your wife, or both. As well, if she was a coddler all of his life, he never learned about consequences. You'll never get a mother to abandon a child...even if it would be for the best.

There are plenty of beer drinkers who fuck up their lives. Moderation is the key, no matter what your drug of choice.

However....coke/opiates/speed are all dead ends.

[John Galt]

It is GODDAM COLD>Mother put in a heater this year - thank God, we've not had one for the 5 years i've live with her since I moved in when her husband died.

So the damn thing is running like every 20 minues - we just have single pane windows.

Costing a fortune, and my skin is all dry, hands stay cold, it's horrible.
Yep....welcome to my life. We in the cold climates are always scurrying around, preparing for the next season. We gather firewood all summer, to save thousands on heating oil in the winter.

There's constant work to be done in the gardens, to prepare for the next season.


And yes...the dry skin in winter is a bitch!!! But...your Tai Chi buddy will tell you...it strengthens your chi.

That which doesen't kill me, makes me stronger.


That's why it's tough for you warm climate types to understand global warming. You don't see how it works.

For the last few decades, the winters are getting warmer. We used to get 3 ft. of ice on the lakes...now, 2 ft. is a rarity.

As well, there is an uncontrolled explosion of fleas/ticks in the areas just south of me. This, because there aren't harsh winters the way there used to be. Add to that the fact that many species of birds that never wintered over in the north, are perfectly comfortable up here now.

Not much changes between seasons in the warmer climates. You don't see these small, but significant issues that mark the end of climate as we know it.

[Environment Man]

Yep....welcome to my life. We in the cold climates are always scurrying around, preparing for the next season. We gather firewood all summer, to save thousands on heating oil in the winter.

It was difficult to determine the CO2 produced by a cord of wood since a cord is sold by volume, not weight.

Based on a lot of sources, I assumed an average cord weighs 3,500lbs.

This is the equivalent to 1.75 short tons.

Based on EIA data, burning one short ton of wood emits 3,812lbs of CO2.

This would be 6,671lbs of CO2 per cord or 3.02 metric tons.

(TenderPro.com (http://www.tinderpro.com/firewood-facts))

[Bill Cosby]

It was difficult to determine the CO2 produced by a cord of wood since a cord is sold by volume, not weight.

Based on a lot of sources, I assumed an average cord weighs 3,500lbs.

This is the equivalent to 1.75 short tons.

Based on EIA data, burning one short ton of wood emits 3,812lbs of CO2.

This would be 6,671lbs of CO2 per cord or 3.02 metric tons.

(TenderPro.com (http://www.tinderpro.com/firewood-facts))

That weight seems pretty high........... Where did you get that #????

What is your weight per cube foot??

[doctordog]

That weight seems pretty high........... Where did you get that #????

What is your weight per cube foot??

makes no sense since utilties will receive credit for wood vs coal along with other bio fuels such as grain, husk, and grasses.

[Binky]

If a cord weighs that much then I guess hauling in wood on a daily basis during the winter is doing my body good....Mine you tho', I am not carrying it in all at once....:lmao2: And there's a lot of bending and stoopin' goin' on...Great exercise......

[Environment Man]

That weight seems pretty high........... Where did you get that #????

What is your weight per cube foot??

At that link. And they cite DOE EIA.

[Environment Man]

If a cord weighs that much then I guess hauling in wood on a daily basis during the winter is doing my body good....Mine you tho', I am not carrying it in all at once....:lmao2: And there's a lot of bending and stoopin' goin' on...Great exercise......

The average human generates about 2 lbs of CO2 per day (depending on activity).

[Bill Cosby]

I think that number is way high........... Even if you use green oak...

I got a cord this year mostly oak............ Today is a no burn day so I can not burn today....

I usually get it for free as I have property w/ various trees but I could not get it this year so I had to buy a cord...........

They always sneak in some other softer woods & it is not all seasoned as well as it should...........

The less seasoned the heavier it is......... The more energy wasted while burning it but I am not sure on the CO2 being higher or lower as a result???

[Environment Man]

Bill Cosby's signature:

War should be a last option not an industry.

Yet America's military industrial complex is probably the single biggest industry in the world and in the history of mankind.

So saying it should not be an industry is futile at best. Naive at worst.

Thus, an industry needs at least one war to generate more profits.

I mean, the American military industrial complex will still buid shit.

But a good shooting war requests more goods and services.

I read somewhere where it costs $1 million a year to support one soldier.

We have 50,000 or more in Afghanistan. Do the math.

[Environment Man]

I think that number is way high........... Even if you use green oak...

I got a cord this year mostly oak............ Today is a no burn day so I can not burn today....

I usually get it for free as I have property w/ various trees but I could not get it this year so I had to buy a cord...........

They always sneak in some other softer woods & it is not all seasoned as well as it should...........

The less seasoned the heavier it is......... The more energy wasted while burning it but I am not sure on the CO2 being higher or lower as a result???

Is that California wood?

California wood is lighter in weight than wood in the other 49.

It is Holly Wood.

[Bill Cosby]

Is that California wood?

California wood is lighter in weight than wood in the other 49.

It is Holly Wood.
:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You padded those #'s................. That is nor cal wood.............. It stays a lot harder than that south cali stuff ya'll pick up on the golf courses...:thumbsup:

[Environment Man]

:lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:

You padded those #'s................. That is nor cal wood.............. It stays a lot harder than that south cali stuff ya'll pick up on the golf courses...:thumbsup:

Come on BC.

You know those eucalyptus trees are a little light in the pants.

[Bill Cosby]

Come on BC.

You know those eucalyptus trees are a little light in the pants.

lol........... That is terrible wood to burn. Worse than pine.......

I burned it while camping out before........... It is like putting firecrackers in the fire.............

[Environment Man]

lol........... That is terrible wood to burn. Worse than pine.......

I burned it while camping out before........... It is like putting firecrackers in the fire.............

We are in agreement.

That holly wood pops like hot pants on Rock Hudson.

I guess regardless of the wood type, one, like Binky, could have a scale and weigh each piece of wood before burning.

Then add it up when the cord is spent.

Just to be sure.

[Bill Cosby]

We are in agreement.

That holly wood pops like hot pants on Rock Hudson.

I guess regardless of the wood type, one, like Binky, could have a scale and weigh each piece of wood before burning.

Then add it up when the cord is spent.

Just to be sure.

Is green wood better worse no matter??

[Environment Man]

Is green wood better worse no matter??

I would think worse because it would not burn as well and would generate more particulate matter.

Which is particularly venumous to asthmatics like myself.

[Bill Cosby]

I would think worse because it would not burn as well and would generate more particulate matter.

Which is particularly venumous to asthmatics like myself.

Good point, that sounds about right...

Were I live most ppl have only a fireplace which is very, very inefficient & some areas around here smell like a forest fire @ night....... Where I live is not quite as bad.........

My daughters occasionally have issues so I am sympathetic & try to stick to the restrictions.......

When you are on the island do you burn wood??

[Binky]

We are in agreement.

That holly wood pops like hot pants on Rock Hudson.

I guess regardless of the wood type, one, like Binky, could have a scale and weigh each piece of wood before burning.

Then add it up when the cord is spent.

Just to be sure.


Are you kiddin' me? Do you actually think I weigh each log before I take it into the house? Give me a break.....

And I only burn oak and maple as they are the hardest and don't burn up within a few minutes.....They also put out a lot more heat than pine and other woods do......Oak is the best......:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

Are you kiddin' me? Do you actually think I weigh each log before I take it into the house? Give me a break.....

And I only burn oak and maple as they are the hardest and don't burn up within a few minutes.....They also put out a lot more heat than pine and other woods do......Oak is the best......:thumbsup:

Here we can get almond, oak & walnut........... Oak & almond are both very good........ SOmetimes olive & various other semi-hard woods. Pine & some of the others as you said are only about half as good........ Plus they can be very messy.............

[Binky]

Here we can get almond, oak & walnut........... Oak & almond are both very good........ SOmetimes olive & various other semi-hard woods. Pine & some of the others as you said are only about half as good........ Plus they can be very messy.............


Oak is the one we use the most....Our fireplace has a huge insert with doors on it. But the wood still makes a dusty mess....Ugh...But the benefits outweigh the mess.... A lot of times I can smell someone around the around burning wood and I love that aroma....Smells real nice and homey.....:D

[Environment Man]

Good point, that sounds about right...

Were I live most ppl have only a fireplace which is very, very inefficient & some areas around here smell like a forest fire @ night....... Where I live is not quite as bad.........

My daughters occasionally have issues so I am sympathetic & try to stick to the restrictions.......

When you are on the island do you burn wood??

Nuclear.

I have a .0001 megawatt reactor that takes care of all of my electrical needs.

I have backup wave power using ocean currents.

A small wind turbine to back up the nuke for refueling outages.

And some photovoltaics to back up the wind and wave.

[Environment Man]

Are you kiddin' me? Do you actually think I weigh each log before I take it into the house? Give me a break.....

And I only burn oak and maple as they are the hardest and don't burn up within a few minutes.....They also put out a lot more heat than pine and other woods do......Oak is the best......:thumbsup:

Well for the CO2 offset calculations Binky.

Soon EPA is going to make you buy offsets for burning that wood.

[CosmicRocker]

It feels like that MASH episode when they were burning everything in camp to stay warm.

I AM FUCKING COLD AT 4 IN THE AFTERNOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill Cosby]

It feels like that MASH episode when they were burning everything in camp to stay warm.

I AM FUCKING COLD AT 4 IN THE AFTERNOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So is it like a viciously cold +60 degrees

[CosmicRocker]

So is it like a viciously cold +60 degrees
no the HIGH was 54 - down to 28 last night. same shit tomorrow
I'm a grouchy old man-that's why I'm in Florida.

not to be a grouchy old COLD man !

[Environment Man]

Two things Floridians can't handle:

1) Cold weather

2) Presidential Elections

[doctordog]

I AM FUCKING COLD AT 4 IN THE AFTERNOON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't know you were into nechrophilia!:lmao2:

[John Galt]

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I'm a grouchy old man-that's why I'm in Florida.

not to be a grouchy old COLD man !

[Bill Cosby]

no the HIGH was 54 - down to 28 last night. same shit tomorrow
I'm a grouchy old man-that's why I'm in Florida.

not to be a grouchy old COLD man !

LOL.......... We will tap out @ 61 today....... Hazing sunshine.......

You have a heater??

Ppl here have heat & air............ Over in San Franciso almost no one has AC as it usually never get to hot........

It is funny as hell to go over on a day 90+........... They are frying, while we inlanders feel happy it is not so hot.....lol

[CosmicRocker]

Two things Floridians can't handle:

1) Cold weather

2) Presidential Elections
lol
they are even showing the temps drop on the screen
42 now.

^
^Feats dont fail me now!"

[Environment Man]

lol
they are even showing the temps drop on the screen
42 now.

^
^Feats dont fail me now!"

You are funny Cos. A blisteringly cold 42 eh? :lmao2:

[MintJulep]

You are funny Cos. A blisteringly cold 42 eh? :lmao2:It's supposed to be like 22 tonight........

42 is the HIGH. :lmao2:

This is serious shit down here in FL.

[Bill Cosby]

Do you ppl have heaters there??

[Environment Man]

It's supposed to be like 22 tonight........

42 is the HIGH. :lmao2:

This is serious shit down here in FL.

I can tell.

I walked 4 miles today.

It is wintertime.

It is supposed to be cold.

Maybe this is the new Climate Change that includes cooling for Florida in winter.

[MintJulep]

Do you ppl have heaters there??Yes. I have central heat and air, but STILL. It's STILL cold and you have to stay bundled up all the time. I couldn't live like this for months on end. I don't know how those Minnesotans do it.

[MintJulep]

I can tell.

I walked 4 miles today.

It is wintertime.

It is supposed to be cold.

Maybe this is the new Climate Change that includes cooling for Florida in winter.How cold is it where you are? High and low.....

[Environment Man]

Do you ppl have heaters there??

I can see Cos running around collecting palm tree leaves and trying to burn them to keep warm.

[doctordog]

It's supposed to be like 22 tonight........

42 is the HIGH. :lmao2:

This is serious shit down here in FL.

8 here tonight, possibly 0 Saturday. 1047

[Environment Man]

How cold is it where you are? High and low.....

It is 28 F right now and down to 22 tonight. Washington, DC

I might go out for a nice walk.

Ahhhhhhh. :lmao2:

[doctordog]

How cold is it where you are? High and low.....

Is it cold enough your "headlights" are on?:lmao2:

[MintJulep]

Is it cold enough your "headlights" are on?:lmao2:No because I've got my ass INSIDE. :lmao2:

[doctordog]

Bill, we will all get together and induct you into the Fantastic 4 as an honorary member!

Thanks for the good laughs tonight!:D

[doctordog]

No because I've got my ass INSIDE. :lmao2:

dang, I have been getting up early to go eat breakfast and my favorite two waitresses have had there headlights on each time!:D

[Environment Man]

Bill, we will all get together and induct you into the Fantastic 4 as an honorary member!

Thanks for the good laughs tonight!:D

I'm down with BC.

Honorary member of the FANTASTIC FOUR.

[doctordog]

I'm down with BC.

Honorary member of the FANTASTIC FOUR.

Ksoggy will be whining some more:lmao2:

[Environment Man]

Ksoggy will be whining some more:lmao2:

He is just about the whiningest person I've ever met.

He's such a fucknig victim.

Let's take up a collection and buy him some food stamps.

[doctordog]

He is just about the whiningest person I've ever met.

He's such a fucknig victim.

Let's take up a collection and buy him some food stamps.

He is so stupid he would would either try to mail something or think they were edible.:D

[Environment Man]

He is so stupid he would would either try to mail something or think they were edible.:D

That stupid fucker would complain about the color of the food stamps.

You're right though. He would put some glue on the back and try to send some hate mail.

[CosmicRocker]

Do you ppl have heaters there??
IT"S FREAKING FLORIDA!!!

Heaters?? - we fianlly put a central heater in - but the house is built to withstand heat - not let it in.

High courtyard walls ( Spanish style) and single pane windows.

We don't know how to deal with cold except FREEZE!!!!!!!!!!

[CosmicRocker]

It's supposed to be like 22 tonight........

42 is the HIGH. :lmao2:

This is serious shit down here in FL.
Thank you Minty - those ice heads up north haven't got a clue about the tropics.

[CosmicRocker]

I can see Cos running around collecting palm tree leaves and trying to burn them to keep warm.
I'm just freraking miserable.
Muscles are all tight, hands are cold ( where do i buy gloves in florida)

And we have no fireplace - so no place to burn them.

[Binky]

:lmao2: :lmao2: We're around 25 right now.....and this old body is used to it....give you folks a bit of cold air and you all turn into marshmellows....:lmao2: :lmao2:

Yea, yea, yea, I'm happy I'm used to it........

[CosmicRocker]

:lmao2: :lmao2: We're around 25 right now.....and this old body is used to it....give you folks a bit of cold air and you all turn into marshmellows....:lmao2: :lmao2:

Yea, yea, yea, I'm happy I'm used to it........
IT's FLORIDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the TROPICS!!!!!

You guys go icefishing fer christ's sake - fine - keep your tundra.

I'm loosing it - supposed to be all thru the week !!!

BURN something !!!

[John Galt]

IT's FLORIDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the TROPICS!!!!!

You guys go icefishing fer christ's sake - fine - keep your tundra.

I'm loosing it - supposed to be all thru the week !!!

BURN something !!!
Buy stock in Tropicana

[Binky]

IT's FLORIDA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's the TROPICS!!!!!

You guys go icefishing fer christ's sake - fine - keep your tundra.

I'm loosing it - supposed to be all thru the week !!!

BURN something !!!


I, do not go ice fishing....I hide indoors until I have to go outdoors....then it's quick trips out.....

Burn something? :lmao2: What did you have in mind? My house? Logs? Weed? What? :lmao2: :lmao2: