Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture?

[Hog Trash]

A speech by Arthur Kemp of the Wigan British National Party
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[Parade Rain]

Dangerous Liaison
South African Shores Up Neo-Nazi Group
By Heidi Beirich

Arthur Kemp, a South African intelligence official in the era of apartheid, has been trying to resuscitate the neo-Nazi National Alliance in the United States.

A notorious South African white supremacist, once accused of participating in planning a major terrorist assassination in his home country, has become a key player in the National Alliance, formerly America's leading neo-Nazi group.

Arthur Kemp, who now lives in Britain but was for years an intelligence operative working for the South African apartheid government, has visited the Alliance's West Virginia headquarters and several of the group's other chapters over the last two years. He also writes for and helps to edit the Alliance's National Vanguard magazine, as well as drafting speeches and radio essays for its leader.

It's unclear what Kemp's aims are — he refused repeated requests for an interview — but he is obviously helping to shore up the Alliance, which has largely collapsed since the death of founder William Pierce in 2002. He also may be trying to build stronger alliances between white supremacists in America and Europe, where he is a high-level cadre of the whites-only British National Party (BNP) and has important ties to other European white supremacist organizations.

A Radical in Uniform
Born in 1963, Kemp was raised in white-run Southern Rhodesia by a Dutch mother and a British father. In the early 1980s, he went to school at South Africa's University of Cape Town, where he tried to revive a "conservative" (meaning pro-apartheid) student club, and he has been a diehard ideologue ever since.

During the late 1980s and early 1990s, Kemp was a pro-apartheid journalist, and in 1990 he wrote a glowing history of the white supremacist Afrikaner Resistance Movement (Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging, or AWB). Founded in 1970, the AWB was created to establish a new Boer nation that would preserve white rule. In the 1980s and 1990s, the group was implicated in terrorist violence against anti-apartheid activists and, later, supporters of the post-apartheid government. The AWB's leader, Eugène Terre' Blanche, was finally imprisoned for six years for attempted murder.

Kemp ultimately went to work as a sergeant in the South African security forces, which were implicated in assassinations and other violence directed at the African National Congress (ANC) and other militant opponents of apartheid. Then, in 1993, leading ANC activist Chris Hani was assassinated, shot three times in the head at short range as he stepped from his car in Johannesburg. The assassination produced serious rioting and President F.W. de Klerk warned the country was on the brink of a race war. ANC leader Nelson Mandela appealed for calm and, ultimately, the crisis was resolved with a historic agreement to hold free elections in 1994.

Kemp, described by British newspapers at the time as an official of the National Intelligence Service (which denied any link to the Hani assassination), was interrogated by police in the murder but never charged. He admitted to drawing up a roster of names, headed by Mandela and followed by Communist Party leader Joe Slovo and then Hani, which authorities described as a hit list. Kemp claimed he didn't know it was to be used as a murder guide and offered up shifting explanations of the list, including the claim that it was "to be used merely for research purposes."

Later in 1993, murder charges in the Hani assassination were brought against the assassin (not Kemp) and a couple, Clive Derby-Lewis and his wife, Gaye. Kemp testified against the couple, saying they admitted to involvement during a lunch the three had together two days after Hani's death. (Kemp and Clive Derby-Lewis then both worked for a far-right newspaper, The Patriot.) Clive Derby-Lewis and the actual assassin, Janusz Walus, were found guilty and sentenced to death (both death sentences were later commuted to life), while Gaye Derby-Lewis was acquitted.

The fact that Kemp apparently avoided prosecution by cooperating with prosecutors and giving damning testimony against the Derby-Lewises may have made it difficult for him to remain on good terms with the South African radical right. Many activists in the racist movement believe Kemp moved on to Europe and the United States later because his former comrades came to detest him.

In any case, in 1996, two years after South Africa held free elections, Kemp relocated to Britain (he now resides near Oxford, England). That same year, the British anti-fascist magazine Searchlight reported that Kemp had addressed a neo-Nazi meeting in Germany and that one of his speeches was published in the German fascist publication Nation und Europa, founded by a former SS officer.

In the late 1990s, South Africa held Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearings that offered amnesty to many of those who carried out violence either for or against the apartheid regime if they publicly confessed to those crimes. During one of those hearings, Gaye Derby-Lewis accused Kemp of aiding the assassination by providing the hit list and knowing what it was for. Kemp denied it.

Back in the USA
In the United States, Kemp is best known for a sarcastic racist essay, "An Apology to the Black Man from the White Race," that has been widely circulated by white supremacists. In his mocking response to the 1995 decision of the Southern Baptist Convention to apologize for slavery, Kemp "apologizes" to blacks for "teaching you how to read and write" and "for building you thousands of schools which we have repaired after you vandalized them and burned them down."

Kemp also is the author of March of the Titans: The History of the White Race. His massive 2006 book tracks the "white race" from 35,000 B.C. through the 20th century, ascribing nearly all cultural and scientific advances to white people. Kemp warns that multiculturalism and race-mixing are destroying this font of all that is good since "all civilizations rise and fall according to their homogeneity and nothing else." The book is anti-Semitic, containing chapters on such matters as "The Suppressed Link: Jews and Communism." Kemp and his book are favorites on the white supremacist forum Stormfront, where he occasionally weighs in on various topics. Stormfront's moderator, Jamie Kelso, has read sections of the book on the air, and the site carries a copy of Kemp's glowing history of the AWB.

(The 2006 hardback edition of March of the Titans is published by Burlington, Iowa-based Ostara Productions, a previously unknown outfit whose post office box is used by David Otto. Kemp thanks Otto in the hardback edition of the book.)

It was through his research for March of the Titans that Kemp first came into contact with the National Alliance. While reading up on "white history," he ran across the late Alliance founder William Pierce's series "Who We Are," which was published in the group's Attack and National Vanguard magazines. By 2000, Sam van Rensburg, then the Alliance's membership coordinator and himself a South African military veteran, was telling Alliance members about his countryman, Kemp. Two years later, Kemp told the neo-Nazi website, Tightrope, that Pierce's articles were "the best resource I found" and led him to contact the group.

Today, Kemp is working actively to rebuild the Alliance, which has fallen from more than 1,400 active members to a tiny handful (its chairman, Shaun Walker, was recently sentenced to seven years in prison on federal civil rights charges). And the Alliance has tried to repay the favor. In 2005, when Kemp's byline started appearing in Alliance publications, the group awarded him the "Dr. William Pierce Award for Investigative Journalism," which brought with it a $250 prize, for his article in National Vanguard, "White South Africa: What Went Wrong?"

Kemp writes for that magazine both under his own name and the pseudonym Richard Preston. He also has also been ghostwriting at least some of current Alliance Chairman Erich Gliebe's speeches and his "American Dissident Voices" shortwave broadcasts and other material — something that has not escaped movement stalwarts who don't believe the former boxer is capable of articles such as last year's "Iberian Drama: An Essential History of Spain from Antiquity through the Reconquest." "Who do they think they're kidding?" asked one post on a private E-mail list that includes many former Alliance leaders. "Erich couldn't find Spain on a map."

Gliebe's wife, Erika Snyder-Gliebe, has boasted to friends that she and Kemp share the Preston pseudonym and that she sometimes posts comments under that name to the website of Resistance Records, a music label owned by the Alliance. Kemp spent part of last two years in the United States, visiting the Alliance headquarters compound near Mill Point, W.V. and also some state chapters. He was slated to speak at the Alliance's May 2007 "Holocaust Revisionist Conference," but did not attend (Kemp did speak in 2006 at a Holocaust denial conference hosted by The Barnes Review, a denial journal run by veteran anti-Semite Willis Carto that has published Kemp). Kemp has major articles in the latest issue of National Vanguard and is believed to have visited the United States as recently as February.

Kemp's American outreach may be part of an effort to build bridges between white supremacists in Europe and the United States. In Britain, Kemp has worked for the white supremacist BNP since 2004, and he is well respected by the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party of Germany. According to Searchlight, Kemp this June was given the BNP's Excalibur merchandise outlet to run with another BNP activist. The magazine also reported that Kemp was put in charge of the ideological training of the BNP's "voting members" as part of plan to build a new elite within the party loyal to its leadership, particularly party chairman Nick Griffin (Griffin often travels to the U.S. to attend white supremacist events and solicit funds for his party). Searchlight also noted that Kemp isn't the only radical South African in a key BNP post. Lambertus Nieuwhof, who tried to bomb a mixed-race church school in South Africa in 1992, is also on their payroll and runs BNP Internet operations. Surprising no one, Nieuwhof has said he considers Kemp "a very good friend."

Kemp is clear about his goals for the white race. As he writes in his book on the AWB, "with new leadership, a new generation could easily once again take on the tradition of struggle handed down to them from previous generations." It may well be that his networking, along with his attempts to reinvigorate the Alliance that was once widely respected by white supremacists around the globe, is part of a concerted attempt to create "a new leadership" in both Europe and the U.S.

[Hog Trash]

"Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture"?

Break away from your liberal programming for just a moment and attempt to answer the question with your own words from your own heart and mind.

That is if you are still capable of the process of original thought?

[Parade Rain]

"Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture"?

Break away from your liberal programming for just a moment and attempt to answer the question with your own words from your own heart and mind.

That is if you are still capable of the process of original thought?

'Break away' so I can listen to your anti-semitic bigoted hero spew white supremacist horseshit? No thank you.

[Hog Trash]

'Break away' so I can listen to your anti-semitic bigoted hero spew white supremacist horseshit? No thank you.Absolutely not...What I ask of you was;Originally Posted by Hog Trash

Break away from your liberal programming for just a moment and attempt to answer the question with your own words from your own heart and mind.

That is if you are still capable of the process of original thought?I don't want you to listen to my words, I want to listen to yours?...What's so difficult about that???

Oh, and I am a supporter of the Israelis so you were wrong with your "anti-semitic" accusation.

[Parade Rain]

Absolutely not...What I ask of you was;I don't want you to listen to my words, I want to listen to yours?...What's so difficult about that???

The question is ridiculous, because the heritage of this country's natives was destroyed when their homes, heritage and lives were plundered behind a "christian" sense of entitlement.

You posted videos of a white supremacist, spewing about preservation of WHITE culture, and WHITE heritage. You post this slime expressly to offend; otherwise you must be some kind of backwards cretin living in a cave somewhere. Thank God for freedom of speech - it lets us all know who the assholes are.

There is no possible way the real "heritage" of this country to be preserved because it was stolen and destroyed. By WHITES.

[bairdi]

"Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture"?

Break away from your liberal programming for just a moment and attempt to answer the question with your own words from your own heart and mind.

That is if you are still capable of the process of original thought?
Not if you are an American and were conquered by the white devils. On the other hand Indians did get some casinos.

[Hog Trash]

The question is ridiculous, because the heritage of this country's natives was destroyed when their homes, heritage and lives were plundered behind a "christian" sense of entitlement.

You posted videos of a white supremacist, spewing about preservation of WHITE culture, and WHITE heritage. You post this slime expressly to offend; otherwise you must be some kind of backwards cretin living in a cave somewhere. Thank God for freedom of speech - it lets us all know who the assholes are.

There is no possible way the real "heritage" of this country to be preserved because it was stolen and destroyed. By WHITES.I never said anything about "America", you did.

The question was about a scenerio in general and the video is actually a British example.

You are so programed by liberalism and political correctness you can no longer think outside of your box.

You are one step above a vegetable....You may as well exist in a coma on life support.

[Parade Rain]

I never said anything about "America", you did.

Yes, I did. That's what we discuss here for the most part, correct?

The question was about a scenerio in general and the video is actually a British example.

I didn't watch your bigot videos, remember? The scumbag in them has nothing I need to listen to. Ever. Who gives a shit what country he was talking about?

You are so programed by liberalism and political correctness you can no longer think outside of your box.

Coming from you, that is high praise.

You are one step above a vegetable....You may as well exist in a coma on life support.

The judgment of a cretin. Wow, I'm crushed. :lmao2:

[mwillman]

No one is stopping you from going to square dances and playing the banjo.

No one is trying to destroy white culture, hell we have done a good enough job of it ourselves. Between mini malls, Walmarts, McDonalds, and bad TV I can't think of much white culture thats worth saving.

Please inform me Hog Trash what culture are you talking about?

[Parade Rain]

Oh, and I am a supporter of the Israelis so you were wrong with your "anti-semitic" accusation.

Right. That's why you post videos of a virulent Jew-hater. Got it. :)

[Thai Kimchi]

Hog is referring to the America of loud Harleys, tattooed bimbos with stretch marks, empty Bud cans along side the road, open-at-six-am honkytonks, restrooms for the coloreds, and little chapels on the hill full of bigots.

Ah....THAT's Amuricah g'damnit!

[Hog Trash]

No one is stopping you from going to square dances and playing the banjo.

No one is trying to destroy white culture, hell we have done a good enough job of it ourselves. Between mini malls, Walmarts, McDonalds, and bad TV I can't think of much white culture thats worth saving.

Please inform me Hog Trash what culture are you talking about?"What culture" is not important!...Your question leads me to believe you think some cultures are priviledeged above others.

What difference does it make "what culture" we are referring to...Don't we all have the same rights???

Any people, any nation, any race, any culture, any heritage!...I can't be more specific than that.Originally Posted by Hog Trash

"Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture"?
Do all liberals have trouble understanding the written word???

[Hog Trash]

Hog is referring to the America of loud Harleys, tattooed bimbos with stretch marks, empty Bud cans along side the road, open-at-six-am honkytonks, restrooms for the coloreds, and little chapels on the hill full of bigots.

Ah....THAT's Amuricah g'damnit!No one is stopping you from going to square dances and playing the banjo.

No one is trying to destroy white culture, hell we have done a good enough job of it ourselves. Between mini malls, Walmarts, McDonalds, and bad TV I can't think of much white culture thats worth saving.

Please inform me Hog Trash what culture are you talking about?Not if you are an American and were conquered by the white devils. On the other hand Indians did get some casinos.Right. That's why you post videos of a virulent Jew-hater. Got it. :)This is how liberals handle a problem they have not yet been programmed to respond to.

Your little brains are probably short-circuiting about right now...Forget I ask before you hurt yourselves.

[Parade Rain]

This is how liberals handle a problem they have not yet been programmed to respond to.

Your little brains are probably short-circuiting about right now...Forget I ask before you hurt yourselves.


No, this is how thinking people respond to lizard-brained tripe masquerading as 'debate'.

Next.....

[mwillman]

"What culture" is not important!...Your question leads me to believe you think some cultures are priviledeged above others.

Of course some cultures are privileged or put better they think they are privileged.

What difference does it make "what culture" we are referring to...Don't we all have the same rights???


It matters becuase how you define nation and culture have a huge effect on the topic.


Any people, any nation, any race, any culture, any heritage!...I can't be more specific than that.Do all liberals have trouble understanding the written word???

Based on your obfuscations and slight of hand I get the feeling you think someone is trying to destroy your culture.

Im still waiting for you to show some balls and admit which culture you want protected and what exactly that entails.

Otherwise its just a stupid generalization that means nothing.

[Hog Trash]

Of course some cultures are privileged or put better they think they are privileged.


It matters becuase how you define nation and culture have a huge effect on the topic.



Based on your obfuscations and slight of hand I get the feeling you think someone is trying to destroy your culture.

Im still waiting for you to show some balls and admit which culture you want protected and what exactly that entails.

Otherwise its just a stupid generalization that means nothing.If I did that you would spend your time doing what your liberal programming dictates, which is to attack the messenger instead of discussing the problem.

It takes "balls" to break from the herd and think for yourself, unlike you who huddles in fear with the sheep and the safety of conformity...Liberals are pussies.

[Parade Rain]

Liberals are pussies.

Oh, man that just cuts like a knife, coming from a bigot....:lmao2:

[mwillman]

If I did that you would spend your time doing what your liberal programming dictates, which is to attack the messenger instead of discussing the problem.

It takes "balls" to break from the herd and think for yourself, unlike you who huddles in fear with the sheep and the safety of conformity...Liberals are pussies.

I havent heard one original thought from you yet Hog Trash.

Your the pussy around here. You know what would happen if you started to spew what you really think, everyone would realize what a nut job you really are.

I know what you are Hog Trash and its not pretty.

[MintJulep]

Oh, man that just cuts like a knife, coming from a bigot....:lmao2:Sooo, not much going on at "the board" tonight, eh?

:)

Tsk, tsk. Too bad I'm not around to liven things up.

[Parade Rain]

Sooo, not much going on at "the board" tonight, eh?

:)

Tsk, tsk. Too bad I'm not around to liven things up.

Keep guessing!

[MintJulep]

"Sno nuff!"

:lmao2: :lmao2:

Muhahahahahaa

[Hog Trash]

Oh, man that just cuts like a knife, coming from a bigot....:lmao2:So much hatred...I've been quite the gentleman while the liberals are preoccupied with mud-slinging and name-calling.

What is it that you hate about white people?...What have those "white devils" done that other races have not been guilty of in your opinion?

[Parade Rain]

So much hatred...

Your opening post set that tone. Your hero's the poster boy for hate.

I've been quite the gentleman while the liberals are preoccupied with mud-slinging and name-calling.

Oh, yes. I'm a "vegetable". Grow up, cretin. We're adults. Dish it out, expect it back in spades.

What is it that you hate about white people?...

I have no tolerance for stupidity. Bigots are stupid by nature; otherwise they wouldn't be bigots, bigot.

What have those "white devils" done that other races have not been guilty of in your opinion

Too ignorant to even qualify with a response. Next....

[MintJulep]

Shole iz..........

:lmao2:

[Hog Trash]

Your opening post set that tone. Your hero's the poster boy for hate.:lmao2: My Hero??? :lmao2: He's a limey, I never even heard of the guy two hours ago! :lmao2:

Oh, yes. I'm a "vegetable". Grow up, cretin. We're adults. Dish it out, expect it back in spades.When all you do is recite your programmed liberal party line then my remark was 100% applicable, boy.

I have no tolerance for stupidity. Bigots are stupid by nature; otherwise they wouldn't be bigots, bigot.Typical liberal response for any subject regarding race.....No original thought required!

Too ignorant to even qualify with a response. Next....Actually, the reason you couldn't respond to the question is you don't have an answer and you know it. :D

[mwillman]

Your problem Hog Trash is you don't have the balls to stand up for what you really beleive.

You posted a White supremacist so now back up that post with your theory of white society.

[Hog Trash]

Your problem Hog Trash is you don't have the balls to stand up for what you really beleive.

You posted a White supremacist so now back up that post with your theory of white society.I will give it, but first I want to hear the opinions of the liberals of which none have given any, other than a few personal attacks and insults towards me and Mr Kemp.

Again the question is;Does a nation and it's people have the right to preserve their heritage and culture? Don't play ignorant, you know what I'm asking?

[mwillman]

The problem here Hog trash is the term culture.

Do I beleive a nation has a right to protect itself, yes I do.

Do I beleive that a part of a society that thinks its superior to the rest of the society have a right to enforce that belief, No I do not.

[xav8terx]

I will give it, but first I want to hear the opinions of the liberals of which none have given any, other than a few personal attacks and insults towards me and Mr Kemp.

Again the question is;Don't play ignorant, you know what I'm asking?


Lets hear it Grand Wizard. Go ahead, come on now we're waiting oh wise one.

[xav8terx]

Shole iz..........

:lmao2:



You fuckin suck at life dont you? Maybe you should go out and make some friends or something.

[Mr. Blue]

Watched a bit, got the gist, but there is something to be said here, but not exactly what this guy is saying. I'm going to use America as an example, because I think it'll be easier to illustrate some points.

America used to be a melting pot. An immigrant would come to America and they would become American. It didn't matter from what part of the world, they'd start to assimilate into the American way of life, and be proud to be an American.

Even back when the melting pot was still doing it's job, you'd have places like Chinatown, like Little Italy, but still, these people were Americans.

At some point though the fire was snuffed out under the this melting pot. Suddenly American became, African American, Italian American, Jewish American, Irish American, and what happened to just being American? Suddenly it wasn't good enough to just be American, many of us had to be linked back to an ethnicity we knew little about. Hey, I'm half Irish, all I know about being Irish is that I like the taste of Guinness, wait, but you better call me Irish American now because...I dunno, I'd rather just be called American, but screw it...I want a new title.

There's something to be said for our national identity suffering. The parts that made us great is starting to separate, it's becoming unglued, and apparently there's very little that can be done about it.

Personally...I liked it when Americans were just...umm...Americans. It didn't have to do with race, religion, ethnic background...no, we were just Americans, and our politicians didn't care quite as much about their party and actually put America first.

[mwillman]

Hey Mr Blue

I think you need to learn your history a little better.
Little Italy, chinatown ... started back in your supposed glory days becuase even then the whites thought they were better then everyone else.

I would say that actually the melting pot is still going strong and many white people still think they are superior.

Your dream of a glorious past has as much reality as flying pigs.

[disrupter]

"right's" are a fabrication of neurotic minds.

The Universe is pure & perfectly kinetic. No hangovers. No hangups.

The real question is it reasonably, arguably a strategically advantageous tack.

feel free to make rational points for either case.

a 'right' is an irrational, romantic sentiment, not a rational point.

[Hog Trash]

Hey Mr Blue

I think you need to learn your history a little better.
Little Italy, chinatown ... started back in your supposed glory days becuase even then the whites thought they were better then everyone else.

I would say that actually the melting pot is still going strong and many white people still think they are superior.

Your dream of a glorious past has as much reality as flying pigs.Even though I have quoted Willy's post, my question is for everyone...Willy's post is simply a convenient example of the problem I am referring to.

Why do liberals freely and openly assume that the white race is inherently evil, greedy, selfish and uncaring and have no problem lumping them together?

Liberals would never think of doing this to any other race or group of people on this planet but have absolutely no qualms about ridiculing the white race as a whole.

What is really unusual is most of the people who do this are not only minorities but liberal whites?...Do they exclude and elevate themselves above these critisisms and accusations?

[Thai Kimchi]

I want to hear the opinions of the liberals of which none have given any, other than a few personal attacks and insults towards me and Mr Kemp.

Again the question is;Don't play ignorant, you know what I'm asking?

Firstly, just what the hell are you asking?

Secondly, if insults wad your panties, stop throwing them around like a mental patient.

[mwillman]

Your full of shit as usual Hog Racist.

I gave you my opinion on the topic multiple times but you are the pussy who will not come out and say what you so wish to say. Come on Hog Trash say it.

You think whites are superior and should have special treatment.

[disrupter]

It isn't that white people are particularly worse than anyone else, they have just been recently more successful exercising/inflicting our shared nastiness on others.

It isn't the 'whiteness' that is arguably the problem,
it is the irrational, unimaginative, & strategically reckless nastiness that is.

Be clinical, be concise, create a vision that is reasonably organically realizable.
Maybe that is enough? Maybe not.

[Mr. Blue]

Hey Mr Blue

I think you need to learn your history a little better.
Little Italy, chinatown ... started back in your supposed glory days becuase even then the whites thought they were better then everyone else.

I would say that actually the melting pot is still going strong and many white people still think they are superior.

Your dream of a glorious past has as much reality as flying pigs.

First off, I know my history, what I'm referring to is people moving away from supporting ones nation. This idea that all the citizens, public officials, and the like are more concerned with where America is going than their micro-niche concerns.

Read this board to see where America is going. Republicans wouldn't mind shipping Democrats out, and Democrats wouldn't mind shipping the Republicans out. You have a Republican so invested in their politics that they would rather see the Dems fail and you see Dems doing the exact same thing.

Any person, political party, religion, ethnic group, corporate interest that's investing more in their narrow concern is damaging to America. It even goes further than that, it even goes down to the individual invested in himself rather than thinking about the larger picture.

Reading this forum each day I see what amounts to hatred at a level that bothers me. It bothers me because people should actually think, hmm, hey wait, what's best for America and not, hey what's best for my party to win an election.

If people asked themselves what's best for America everyone would do better. If we started acting as a group with cohesion we'd actually come up with compromises instead of mindless bickering to score points.

[ROdger Right]

You can worry about America as a group, but the most important thing there is, is an inviduals rights.

[Hog Trash]

Your full of shit as usual Hog Racist.

I gave you my opinion on the topic multiple times but you are the pussy who will not come out and say what you so wish to say. Come on Hog Trash say it.

You think whites are superior and should have special treatment.I think whites are equal to any and all other races and should be treated as such and not critisized for showing pride in their heritage and accomplishments, the same as all other races do, without being called racist.

Minorities and liberals seem to have a big problem with this in case you hadn't noticed...My guess is you have not noticed even though you are one of the loudest shouters of "racism" at the drop of a hat.

Liberals are the racist who constantly are on the attack of the white race.

Your typical standard party line response for my post is, "Poor conservatives, always crying about being treated unfairly".

You asked and I delivered....Can you give a sensable response to my post besides your standard party line?

[mwillman]

Like I said no one cares if you go to a square dance or play the banjo.

You can celebrate you culture all you want no one is stopping you.

As for racism, you get called what are. You have shown way to many times what you think of people of color in this nation and that is why you are called a racist.

[Hog Trash]

Like I said no one cares if you go to a square dance or play the banjo.

You can celebrate you culture all you want no one is stopping you.

As for racism, you get called what are. You have shown way to many times what you think of people of color in this nation and that is why you are called a racist.Willy, your lack of sensable responses is bringing you ever closer to joining Cosboy and Surfboy in the land of "ignore".

You have never been all that bright but occasionally you manage to make some sense, but lately you have been slipping.

I believe all these new nitwits from politicalgrave are rubbing off on you...Snap your ass out of it or you're gone, einstein!

[Parade Rain]

Willy, your lack of sensable responses is bringing you ever closer to joining Cosboy and Surfboy in the land of "ignore".

You have never been all that bright but occasionally you manage to make some sense, but lately you have been slipping.

I believe all these new nitwits from politicalgrave are rubbing off on you...Snap your ass out of it or you're gone, einstein!

Oh, no! You mean....gone - as in, on 'IGNORE'????

The horror! The horror! :lmao2:

[mwillman]

Willy, your lack of sensable responses is bringing you ever closer to joining Cosboy and Surfboy in the land of "ignore".

You have never been all that bright but occasionally you manage to make some sense, but lately you have been slipping.

I believe all these new nitwits from politicalgrave are rubbing off on you...Snap your ass out of it or you're gone, einstein!


LOL

Hog Trash you have always been a joke to me.

The funny thing is there are a few things we agree on but you take your libertarianism way to far and ignore reality.

As for the racist comments your the one that posts white supremacist, talks about Latinos as if they are all illegal aliens, and who insults and argues for the use of well known hate speech.

If you really had respect for the many cultures that make up this nation you wouldn't feel the need put yours above everyone else's.

[Hog Trash]

LOL

Hog Trash you have always been a joke to me.That's good, I enjoy bringing humor to a discussion......No charge! :thumbsup:

The funny thing is there are a few things we agree on but you take your libertarianism way to far and ignore reality.I believe I am the only sane person in the world at times and worry about yours and others grip on reality...I guess we're even!

As for the racist comments your the one that posts white supremacist, talks about Latinos as if they are all illegal aliens, and who insults and argues for the use of well known hate speech.I bring all aspects of a discussion to the table without your PC restrictions that styful the facts.

You attack them as being racist because you have been told we are not suppose to talk about certain people or things.

Yes it is true, I will quote David Duke, Hitler, Marx, Bugs Bunny or Sante Clause without fear if it helps me to make my point.

Your PC restrictions not only forbid you to discuss these things but dictates that you attack anyone who does with accusations of racism.

As far as latinos are concerned, I think they're wonderful people and only have a problem with the ones who entered the US illegally like a thief in the night.

If you really had respect for the many cultures that make up this nation you wouldn't feel the need put yours above everyone else's.As I just stated in a previous post, I do not ask for superiority, only equality and an end to racism against all races, including mine.

[mwillman]

Tell me why do you think whites need protection.

Seems to me they have control of most of the nation and no one is complaining about whites being lynched or that 50% of their young adults are in jail.

I don't see whites not being hired and then arrested when they get one of the only jobs they can find, namely selling drugs.

I don't see white suburban schools suffering for good teachers and equipment. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of white poor that are suffering to but they are not suffering becuase of skin color.

As long as you refuse to recognize that our whole system is biased then you can never be part of the solution. We can not just ignore the racial issues that are still very much a part of this nation and expect them to go away.

When you can show me how the whites are not on top then I will worry about their heritage and culture.

[Hog Trash]

Tell me why do you think whites need protection.I don't recall asking for protection...White people are quite capable of protecting themselves.

I ask only for the same equality, respect and courtesy afforded to other races.

Seems to me they have control of most of the nation This is not the result of the color of their skin....This is due to hard work and sacrifice.

and no one is complaining about whites being lynchedDon't be rediculous Willy...I would say black on white crime happens much more than white on black crime.

or that 50% of their young adults are in jail. I don't see whites not being hired and then arrested when they get one of the only jobs they can find, namely selling drugs.

I don't see white suburban schools suffering for good teachers and equipment. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of white poor that are suffering to but they are not suffering becuase of skin color.

As long as you refuse to recognize that our whole system is biased then you can never be part of the solution. We can not just ignore the racial issues that are still very much a part of this nation and expect them to go away.Again, this is not because of the color of anyones skin, these things are the result of bad decisions by individuals and has absolutely nothing to do with race.

You have been misinformed.

When you can show me how the whites are not on top then I will worry about their heritage and culture.You see "whites on top"...I see individuals who are reeping the rewards of what they have sown and not because of the color of their skin.

I see people who have worked hard in school and in the work place and advanced in life because of extraordinary effort...You belittle these peoples stuggle by insinuating race is their only quality.

I am one of those people who along with many other people of all races have advanced in life because of these qualities I mentioned and race neither helped nor hendered them.

There is no door closed to anyone in America willing to go to school, work hard and make sacrifices...Our only restrictions are the contents of our hearts...If you don't believe me just ask Barack Hussein Obama.

[Bill Cosby]

As is typical I hear again talk about "white race". & it goes w/out a bother to define it...

I listened to a few mins of the clip.. A good "American" translator would help here.. It is difficult to understand them foreigners.... lol

I don't think the problem is one of maintaining "my culture" but rather one of wanting everyone to "be like me"............

I think we often times focus, perhaps obsessively on how we are different rather than alike.......

What makes us Americans is shared values & Ideals (notice I did not say practices) not some conceptions of race, ethnicity or perceived contributions... Keep in mind for a long time many ppl were not allowed to contribute or participate...........

[mwillman]

I don't recall asking for protection...White people are quite capable of protecting themselves.

I ask only for the same equality, respect and courtesy afforded to other races.

Would you like to explain how they are not getting equality, respect and courtesy. Seems to me white people for the most part are doing just fine.


This is not the result of the color of their skin....This is due to hard work and sacrifice.


Please its do to having gun powder and the desire to conquer others. You might call that hard work but I call its conquest. Everything else is just a consequence of the original sin done by white people.



Don't be rediculous Willy...I would say black on white crime happens much more than white on black crime.


What do you expect, when a society keeps people down for 400 years they are bound to hold a grudge. Im suprised at how little crime there is but then they have been conditioned for that whole time that they dont have a chance since the whole system is controlled by white people.


Again, this is not because of the color of anyones skin, these things are the result of bad decisions by individuals and has absolutely nothing to do with race.

You have been misinformed.

You see "whites on top"...I see individuals who are reeping the rewards of what they have sown and not because of the color of their skin.


Of course you do, your a racist idiot. You have no clue.

You dont see all the ways the system is stacked against them. Sure after 400 years of second class citizenship they have some issues they need to work out but you have been a part of a system that was set up for them to fail in and you wont even fucking admit it.



I see people who have worked hard in school and in the work place and advanced in life because of extraordinary effort...You belittle these peoples stuggle by insinuating race is their only quality.


I am amazed daily by people of color that have fought against the odds and against the system and become sucessful. Sure we have made great strides but the system is still seriously biased. I know plenty fo sucessful black people and most of them had to work 10 times as hard to get to thier position then most white people. ITs a fact.



I am one of those people who along with many other people of all races have advanced in life because of these qualities I mentioned and race neither helped nor hendered them.

There is no door closed to anyone in America willing to go to school, work hard and make sacrifices...Our only restrictions are the contents of our hearts...If you don't believe me just ask Barack Hussein Obama.

The fact that you think things are equal shows how fucking out of touch with reality you are.

Again we have made great strides but its not done and you don't get to fall back into your old racist habits just becuase some improvement have been made. When things are truly equal you can tell me about white culture being insulted and demeaned but until then you out of luck.

[Hog Trash]

Would you like to explain how they are not getting equality, respect and courtesy. Seems to me white people for the most part are doing just fine.



Please its do to having gun powder and the desire to conquer others. You might call that hard work but I call its conquest. Everything else is just a consequence of the original sin done by white people.




What do you expect, when a society keeps people down for 400 years they are bound to hold a grudge. Im suprised at how little crime there is but then they have been conditioned for that whole time that they dont have a chance since the whole system is controlled by white people.



Of course you do, your a racist idiot. You have no clue.

You dont see all the ways the system is stacked against them. Sure after 400 years of second class citizenship they have some issues they need to work out but you have been a part of a system that was set up for them to fail in and you wont even fucking admit it.




I am amazed daily by people of color that have fought against the odds and against the system and become sucessful. Sure we have made great strides but the system is still seriously biased. I know plenty fo sucessful black people and most of them had to work 10 times as hard to get to thier position then most white people. ITs a fact.




The fact that you think things are equal shows how fucking out of touch with reality you are.

Again we have made great strides but its not done and you don't get to fall back into your old racist habits just becuase some improvement have been made. When things are truly equal you can tell me about white culture being insulted and demeaned but until then you out of luck.For christ sake Willy, we now have a black president...Dump your liberal programming and political correctness long enough to use your common sense!

If we as a people elect a black man to the highest position in the land, what job could possibly be denied to anyone because of race?

There will always be racism to some extent, but it is no longer the serious problem that the people who profit from it make it out to be.

[mwillman]

I am so sick of you claiming common sense when you don't even recognize the problem.

When the schools in the inner cities are given near as much money per student that the white suburban schools receive then it will be equal, when banks start investing in colored neighborhoods it will start to be equal.

When the judicial system is equal, an example being that a small rock of crack will get you as much time in prison as 2 oz of cocaine, then things will be better.

Yes a person of color that does everything just right can go far but I'm not worried about the talented people, I'm worried about the ones that aren't lucky enough to be born brilliant, or with great physical ability.

that goes for all the people of this nation, white, black, brown ...
If the system is designed so that only those lucky enough to have the genes or families to succeed are taken care of what do we do with all the people that arnt that lucky.

[The_Limit]

Hog, you lose all creditability when you post videos from racists like this Kemp guy.

You should take a voluntary timeout.

Your obvious racist literature does tremendous harm to this site.

[Bill Cosby]

Hog, you lose all creditability when you post videos from racists like this Kemp guy.

You should take a voluntary timeout.

Your obvious racist literature does tremendous harm to this site.

Yep............ Hopefully he will think about that a few minutes........

[Hog Trash]

Hog, you lose all creditability when you post videos from racists like this Kemp guy.

You should take a voluntary timeout.

Your obvious racist literature does tremendous harm to this site.Are you really offended?

Should I be banned?....For how long?

Wait here...I'm gonna go find something by David Duke!

[Hog Trash]

Look what I found.....This is cool!.....You guys will love it!
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/reaching-out-to-asians-not-hispanics/Reaching out to Asians, not Hispanics
August 8, 2009 by guywhite

Since the late 1990s, Republicans tried to get the Hispanic vote. That is a colossal mistake. GOP operatives think that Hispanics oppose abortion, so that makes them natural Republicans. What they do not understand is that for immigrants and under-40 people, this is not an issue. These people never lived in an America prior to legalized abortion. Most of the Supreme Court was appointed by Republicans, yet abortion is still legal. Nobody except radicals will vote for abortion, especially over minor changes like parental notification, when their bread-and-butter issues are on the line.

Mexican Indians who come here have a low IQ and, therefore, will never be successful. The first generation is happy to be wealthier than in Mexico. The second generation, however, will not be pleased cleaning our toilets. Would you be? Look at the reaction to Jewish success even by those with knowledge of IQ differences. Why would Mexicans react differently to a group more successful than them? They will react just as blacks do.

They aren’t the Republicans’ natural allies. They are the conservatives’ natural political enemies. (I am saying this even though on a personal level, I like Mexicans. They shut up and do their job, which can’t be said for a lot of others.)

The GOP strategy is based on Mexicans succeeded as much as other immigrants. But they will never be successful here or anywhere else. Never. A person with an 85 IQ just isn’t going to be an engineer, a biologist or a best-selling author.

Others came here and succeeded, but their cousins left behind also succeeded. In the past, there was a question as to which policies were successful. Today it is well known. Either you can succeed or you cannot, regardless of your location.

Chinese are successful not only in the US, but also in Hong Kong, Indonesia and Malaysia. As soon as China turned capitalist, it experienced tremendous growth. Italians became successful in the US, but their own country is also doing well. (Roman Empire, anyone?)

Same for Ireland. In a modern, IQ-based economy (when you can build computer chips instead of being dependent on potatoes), Ireland is among the most successful countries in the world.

The English are successful everywhere they’ve gone. Whether they lived in the industrialized England or in the backwards Zimbabwe, they maintained a high standard of living.

Germans likewise became successful not just in the US, but also in Germany, Argentina, Russia and even Namibia.

But Third World people are a failure everywhere they show up. The only Spanish-speaking countries that are successful are those that are mostly white, such as Argentina. But even in those countries, Indians are always a failure.

They will fail. There’s no doubt about it. They failed every time in the past and they will fail every time in the future. Yes, IQ matters.

And they will hate us for their own inability to catch up.

A better target for the GOP would be the Asians, both Indian and Oriental. They are smart (among the Indians, only those who are in the US due to self-selected immigration), so resentment won’t be an issue. They are non-violent and small-framed, so they are actually even more afraid of minority crime than whites.

Orientals, who went to white schools, opposed desegregation more than whites. They still remain the most segregated people in this country. Try to name one Germantown or Scottown? Yet every city has a Chinatown.

Asians are also so small in number that in any race disturbance, they couldn’t take care of themselves alone. They would have to have an ally, and there’s no way that they would fit in with NAMs.

A coalition of whites and Asians vs. blacks and Hispanics would be about 50% vs. 50% by midcentury, but our side would have the organizational and the IQ advantage.

Whether it’s a civil war or an election, the conservatives would win.

[Bill Cosby]

Look what I found.....This is cool!.....You guys will love it!
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/reaching-out-to-asians-not-hispanics/

Well that is someones bull shit opinion.......... (trying to piggy back on the Asians now. shame, shame on you.... They do better than whites in lots of areas......... go figure..:lmao2: .)

"Orientals" did go to different schools in certain parts of this country.... Including right here in the heart of the liberal jewel/calif...

As early as 1914, a large Japanese community lived in Walnut Grove. About 67 Japanese-owned businesses (with names and addresses) are listed in the Nichi-Bei Nenkan (Japanese American Yearbook) of 1914 - including one tofu shop - Sakai Tofu-ya. There was still a tofu shop in town in 1975, according to The Book of Tofu.

The community was racially segregated up to the start of World War II. Only whites were allowed to own homes on the West side of the river. Even on the East side, the Asians separated into a Japanese section and a Chinese section. There were two elementary schools [a 'white' school and Walnut Grove Oriental Elementary] until the Japanese were forcefully moved out of the area at the start of World War II. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walnut_Grove,_California)Then, the two elementary schools [up to Grade 8] were combined. After elementary school, the students were bussed to Courtland for high school until that school became identified as an earthquake hazard.

I guess next you will be pitting loins & tigers against bears & badgers....

What about Vietnamese, Thai, Lao etc????

Arabs???

I think before you post any more of this stupid shit you otta go & measure your cranium again. It may be shrinking along w/ the quality of your material...

[The_Limit]

Are you really offended?

Should I be banned?....For how long?

Wait here...I'm gonna go find something by David Duke!


Did I say you should be banned?

No.

I said take a self-imposed timeout.

[ROdger Right]

Well that is someones bull shit opinion.......... (trying to piggy back on the Asians now. shame, shame on you.... They do better than whites in lots of areas......... go figure..:lmao2: .)

"Orientals" did go to different schools in certain parts of this country.... Including right here in the heart of the liberal jewel/calif...



I guess next you will be pitting loins & tigers against bears & badgers....

What about Vietnamese, Thai, Lao etc????

Arabs???

I think before you post any more of this stupid shit you otta go & measure your cranium again. It may be shrinking along w/ the quality of your material...
The comments you're making about other types of asians like viet, and thai are covered by orientials because frankly most asians are good to copy off of and hardly any of us and can tell the differance in cultural backgrounds as they have the same regional look.

You should go on telling us how you hate FDR because what he did to the japs in America. And praise what he did for the poor at the end. Seems like thats right up your alley.

[Bill Cosby]

The comments you're making about other types of asians like viet, and thai are covered by orientials because frankly most asians are good to copy off of and hardly any of us and can tell the differance in cultural backgrounds as they have the same regional look.

You should go on telling us how you hate FDR because what he did to the japs in America. And praise what he did for the poor at the end. Seems like thats right up your alley.

Well it is goo the prof is not here to read about you cheating in school.........

Time for class to begin here... See on one hand there are the racist that define ppl into a myriad of classes & distinctions much of which seems based on color...

Then there is the garden variety such as yourself....... Don't know & can't tell any distinctions.. They don't look like you so they all look the same & are the same... & Inferior to you & only cause of your skin color.....

I will hold your FDR lesson until you get @ least a B in US history...

[Independent Harry]

I think we should focus on asian women. Bring more of them into this country. But then again, I'm just one man...

[Hog Trash]

I like Asian women to Harry but an hour later I'm horny again.

[Independent Harry]

I like Asian women to Harry but an hour later I'm horny again.

that's because masturbating isn't the same thing as actually having sex...

[Bill Cosby]

I think we should focus on asian women. Bring more of them into this country. But then again, I'm just one man...


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a98/chrisforbes007/MELUVDCJUNKIES.jpg

[Hog Trash]

that's because masturbating isn't the same thing as actually having sex...Nigga pleez!....The whole world knows the mighty Hog-stud is a sexual tyranosaurus!

[Independent Harry]

Nigga pleez!....The whole world knows the mighty Hog-stud is a sexual tyranosaurus!

lol, I keep picturing a lumbering big dinosaur, with tiny little limp wrists...

[Bill Cosby]

lol, I keep picturing a lumbering big dinosaur, with tiny little limp wrists...

Kinda in the drunken barney moad????

Well the dinosaur is the right family..............

& they are extinct..... Like many of his views.... (should be)

[doctordog]

I think we should focus on asian women. Bring more of them into this country. But then again, I'm just one man...

Damn Harry, we finally agree on something! Here is one of my favorites:

570


Any other Maggie Q fans out there?:thumbsup:

[ROdger Right]

Am now:disbelief:

[Bill Cosby]

Damn Harry, we finally agree on something! Here is one of my favorites:

570


Any other Maggie Q fans out there?:thumbsup:

Awesome.............. :thumbsup:

You got good taste.........:D

[doctordog]

Awesome.............. :thumbsup:

You got good taste.........:D

I bet she does toohttp://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/2437_silly_couple.gif

[Bill Cosby]

lol.............

You think this site is ready for the worlds prettiest women thread???

[doctordog]

lol.............

You think this site is ready for the worlds prettiest women thread???

hell yes, but it would have to be on the other board and you might want to discuss the thread an how much clothing is enough with Moby.:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

Can do.....................

As you know we had a thread @ PG for men & women............

I would not want to if the women here are gonna be offended........

[doctordog]

Can do.....................

As you know we had a thread @ PG for men & women............

I would not want to if the women here are gonna be offended........

me neither, this board has is getting exciting!:thumbsup:

[Bill Cosby]

me neither, this board has is getting exciting!:thumbsup:

How do you think Bkink & Mint would feel about it???

[doctordog]

How do you think Bkink & Mint would feel about it???

I think Mint will be ok, Bink would probably just avoid