Glenn Beck looks at veterans health care

[radioguy]

Just for you Moby.

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[radioguy]

This is just a preview of what government run health care will be like.

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[MichMike]

funny....the veterans like their government healthcare better than private sector healthcare...

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=14560

[radioguy]

Any comment on the clip Mike?

Didn't think so...

Liberal is, as liberal does.

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[MichMike]

Any comment on the clip Mike?

Didn't think so...

Liberal is, as liberal does.

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My comment is - if you can read - the people who receive the care actually like it. Just like the people in Europe like their healthcare systems more than the people in the U.S. They live longer. Infant mortality is better - even after one year. They pay less. ..and their systems are mixed like ours (if you even realize that you right wing nut. All we have to do is tweak ours to include a few more people and we'll be fine. Comment on this!

[radioguy]

My comment is - if you can read - the people who receive the care actually like it. Just like the people in Europe like their healthcare systems more than the people in the U.S. They live longer. Infant mortality is better - even after one year. They pay less. ..and their systems are mixed like ours (if you even realize that you right wing nut. All we have to do is tweak ours to include a few more people and we'll be fine. Comment on this!

Sorry pal, but I started this thread, so it's you that needs to offer a comment... If you want to discuss something else, try starting your own thread.

[MichMike]

Sorry pal, but I started this thread, so it's you that needs to offer a comment... If you want to discuss something else, try starting your own thread.

Ole buddy...I own this one now. Veterans like this care better than the "you must die if you don't have money or are sick' free market care. Drunk Gleen has gold plated Fox news coverage as he has sold is soul.

Admit he lied.

[mwillman]

Posting someones else's opinions is not posting anything.

If all you can do is spew other peoples propaganda then you are not adding anything.

[radioguy]

Ole buddy...I own this one now. Veterans like this care better than the "you must die if you don't have money or are sick' free market care. Drunk Gleen has gold plated Fox news coverage as he has sold is soul.

Admit he lied.

Again, do you have any comment on the video?

Oops... I forgot... You refuse to even watch it.

Liberal is, as liberal does.

[MichMike]

Again, do you have any comment on the video?

Oops... I forgot... You refuse to even watch it.

Liberal is, as liberal does.


I have watched it and commented.

[radioguy]

Bullshit you did... All you did was change the subject.

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[MichMike]

Bullshit you did... All you did was change the subject.

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Don't lie. Veteran's time and time again say the prefer their healthcare over the beloved private insurance company healthcare some of you call "free market."

France, Denmark, Germany citizens all like their healthcare more than American's when surveyed.

It's easy to cherry pick bad stories public and private (do you really want the disgusting details of insurance companies killing people for profits). hence, Beck's dumb skit doesn't prove a thing.

Do you understand now?


Superior.

[foxbaron]

funny....the veterans like their government healthcare better than private sector healthcare...

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=14560


Gee Mikey where the hell did you come up with that?

Some VA Hospitals are actually good but the majority of them flat out suck.

Take the one in our Nations Capital for instance. Completely worthless.

Have a friend that had a heart attack on a Friday night. Wife threw him in car and headed for VA. Called VA enroute to tell them she was bringing him in. They told her not to bother as they didn't have any doctors available that could deal with his heart attack. Told her to bring him in Monday and they would see him. (Assumming he was still alive)

Wife panicked and took him next door to the Washington Hospital Center as she didn't know what else to do. Within the hour he was in surgery and had to have a (5) five way bypass. Saved his life. VA tried to kill him.

Later on he went back to VA for follow up treatment. VA did surgery and wired up his chest internally to hold everything together except that they didn't bother to connect all the wires. ALmost like they got bored or soemthing and only did it half way. Had pains in chest for over a year. Kept feeling a stabbing feeling everytime he bent over. Ended up back in Washington Hospital Center (which VA had to authorize) where they had to redo everything the VA did as the VA never did complete the job. He had wire ends sticking out all overthe place. AMazing he didn't puncture a lung. They told the guy he would just have to live with the pain.

Complete and total medical malpractice on the VA part. But a veteran can't sue the VA.

OH, did I mention that he has had over 15 operations on his knee over the past 30 years after he got blown up in a land mine and shot by VC.

He needs and should have had a total knee replacement over 20 years ago but VA won't do it because they are supposedly only good for 10 years or so and the VA doesn't want to have to maybe redo it again in ten years so they just keep doing worthless knee operations on the guy and then he has to fight them eveyitime for his disability payments.

Yeah, great care.

Remind me to tell you someday about the ear operation I was supposed to have but the doctor cancelled because the equipment he was using fell apart in his hands in the middle of an operation on some other poor bastard. They said they would notify me when they could reschedule it because the doc flat out refused to do anymore operations until such time as they could get equipment that actually worked. That was (6) six years ago. I am still waiting for that new appointment.

You would be better off to go to your veternarian for medical care.

[MintJulep]

Ole buddy...I own this one now. Veterans like this care better than the "you must die if you don't have money or are sick' free market care. Drunk Gleen has gold plated Fox news coverage as he has sold is soul.

Admit he lied.No one in this country is left to die as it's against the law for an ER to deny treatment to anyone. Chairman Zero's plan is to outlaw private insurance although he claims "if you like your insurance, you can keep it!" When questioned about section 102, he said he hadn't read it.

Admit he lied....

[MichMike]

No one in this country is left to die as it's against the law for an ER to deny treatment to anyone. Chairman Zero's plan is to outlaw private insurance although he claims "if you like your insurance, you can keep it!" When questioned about section 102, he said he hadn't read it.

Admit he lied....


You are not really with it are you? You are a liar. Obama does not want to outlaw private insurance.

The disgusting system we have now ignores kids with major problems unless they have money. That's not in the best interest of society. The ER government program was signed by Reagan as an admission that the belove private sector was literally killing people. The system still sucks and is not ethical. When government did nothing (no medicare for example) life sucked after 40....

[radioguy]

You are not really with it are you? You are a liar. Obama does not want to outlaw private insurance.

The current democratic plan sure wants to outlaw it.

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[MichMike]

The current democratic plan sure wants to outlaw it.

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I've read the plan in the house. Where is private insurance (designed to suck from the healthy and kill the sick) outlawed? Prove your crap!

[radioguy]

I've read the plan in the house. Where is private insurance (designed to suck from the healthy and kill the sick) outlawed? Prove your crap!

This from the Investors Business Daily (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?secid=1501&status=article&id=332548165656854):

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

From the beginning, opponents of the public option plan have warned that if the government gets into the business of offering subsidized health insurance coverage, the private insurance market will wither. Drawn by a public option that will be 30% to 40% cheaper than their current premiums because taxpayers will be funding it, employers will gladly scrap their private plans and go with Washington's coverage.

The nonpartisan Lewin Group estimated in April that 120 million or more Americans could lose their group coverage at work and end up in such a program. That would leave private carriers with 50 million or fewer customers. This could cause the market to, as Lewin Vice President John Sheils put it, "fizzle out altogether."

What wasn't known until now is that the bill itself will kill the market for private individual coverage by not letting any new policies be written after the public option becomes law.

The legislation is also likely to finish off health savings accounts, a goal that Democrats have had for years. They want to crush that alternative because nothing gives individuals more control over their medical care, and the government less, than HSAs.

Ok... How's that?

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[MintJulep]

You are not really with it are you? You are a liar. Obama does not want to outlaw private insurance.Then explain what this means.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...1IM1saA:e22987 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c111IM1saA:e22987):

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.

(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage' means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:

(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-




(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.




(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED- Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.



(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS- Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.
The disgusting system we have now ignores kids with major problems unless they have money. That's not in the best interest of society. The ER government program was signed by Reagan as an admission that the belove private sector was literally killing people. The system still sucks and is not ethical. When government did nothing (no medicare for example) life sucked after 40....The healthcare system needs reform but there is no need to sacrifice quality to ensure a mere 15-18 million people. There could easily be a govt subsidized plan available to those meeting certain income criteria. Those who can afford it but don't buy it would be SOL, as they should be.

I want to choose my level of coverage and doctor. I don't want to be forced to go to a govt shithole center with dirty walls, no staff and sub par care.